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Another new MS detection method? XGD3 games suddenly not booting for many
#1
16 Nov 2011 @ 20:26
funksoulb
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A lot of people have suddenly found that their XGD3 games and AP2.5 protected XGD2 games suddenly don't boot, even though the dashboard hasn't been updated. Their consoles have also been flagged for bans. Check this thread here: -
http://www.ixtreme.net/open-forum/18685-disc-not-supported.html
There's another thread that's just been started on Xbox-Scene which will no doubt grow larger as people report the same problem.
My guess is that MS are now updating the DAE table silently over Live. Anyway, you have been warned! I would advise staying off Xbox Live until we know what's going on.
http://www.ixtreme.net/open-forum/18685-disc-not-supported.html
There's another thread that's just been started on Xbox-Scene which will no doubt grow larger as people report the same problem.
My guess is that MS are now updating the DAE table silently over Live. Anyway, you have been warned! I would advise staying off Xbox Live until we know what's going on.
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#2
16 Nov 2011 @ 20:30
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wow i thought it was just me that was having that problem , i tried to play modern warfare 3 about a hour ago but 3 hours before that it was running perfectly fine
the drive reads the game you can see the picture of the modern warfare 3
the drive reads the game you can see the picture of the modern warfare 3
#3
16 Nov 2011 @ 20:38
Yeah, this is definitely some kind of new protection/detection as too many people have already posted about the problem for it to just be a coincidence.
I reckon that last dashboard update was preparation for this.
I reckon that last dashboard update was preparation for this.
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#4
16 Nov 2011 @ 20:44
I was actually expecting this with the new popular games being released. The ban wave 2 years ago was around this time of year too. With the new XDG3 format I knew it would happen and we'd end up likely on a ban wave. Here we go again another new xbox and some offline games to play in the meantime.
This always happens around the Call of Duty releases.
I'll stay off live and see for now.
This always happens around the Call of Duty releases.
I'll stay off live and see for now.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 16 Nov 2011 @ 20:51
#5
16 Nov 2011 @ 22:12
Modking30
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yeah my xval shows failed ap challenge. OH well now I can glitch that box :)
#6
16 Nov 2011 @ 22:18
Modking30
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Looks like Sentinelace the master of xboxes has found out as well and posted over at pothsprojects
http://www.pothsprojects.com/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=3211
http://www.pothsprojects.com/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=3211
#7
16 Nov 2011 @ 22:25
Good thing I waited a while before ordering everything. I got games downloaded but haven't burned them yet so MW3 will not be anytime soon when I'm done. BTW is this coming from everyone or just those who hasn't used BurnerMax completing 100% of the burn?
#8
16 Nov 2011 @ 22:43
everyone with mw3,silent update,not going online,maybe new checks,seems like abgx is gonna be busy now
#9
16 Nov 2011 @ 23:18
Originally posted by hackimus2:
Good thing I waited a while before ordering everything. I got games downloaded but haven't burned them yet so MW3 will not be anytime soon when I'm done. BTW is this coming from everyone or just those who hasn't used BurnerMax completing 100% of the burn?
It's affecting Burner Max users as well as those that used the truncate method.
It does seem that dae.bin has been updated either via a title update for a game (possibly MW3), or just silently over Xbox Live. The effects we're seeing are all AP2.5 related, so I'm 90% sure that it's that.
If that is true, it's going to make it very difficult for users of flashed consoles in the future, as c4eva has been unable to defeat AP2.5 completely and has said that it's not possible due to the huge combination of possible checks. We were OK in the past because we knew that dae.bin was only updated in some dashboard updates. If it can be updated at any time without us even knowing, then it's going to make things a huge PITA for those that use backups on Xbox Live.
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#10
16 Nov 2011 @ 23:34
Yes no doubt this will be a major PITA... oh well we shall see what happens.. I was up and running then all of a sudden.. BAM! down goes Frazier!
#12
17 Nov 2011 @ 0:56
Do we know if it originated with Modern Warfare 3? Are all XGD3 games causing this?
"All drives should be updated to Lite Touch + (LT+) firmware if playing on XBOX live. Samsung drives and pre-78/79 Hitachi drives do not utilize AP 2.5. All other drives are considered to be detectable by Microsoft (YMMV). Make sure all rips are ABGX verified, contain SSv2, and patched AP2.5 (where needed). XGD3 must currently be burned on new drive with PC Burner Max firmware for 100% rip. All modded consoles can be potentially unsafe for use on XBOX live."
#13
17 Nov 2011 @ 0:59
This is not good, especially the part I've made bold: -
Taken from c4evaspeaks.com.
Quote:
First and foremost, a warning ? at this current time it is advised that you stay offline and avoid playing any AP2.5/XGD3 backups. It has been confirmed by the team that the dae.bin is now being silently updated on all LIVE-connected boxes.
This update is not being deployed via a SystemUpdate or TitleUpdate, but rather occurs in the background without any visual indication or prompt to the user. As such, there is no means by which it can be cancelled or avoided, other than not connecting to LIVE. If you?ve connected to LIVE in the past 24 hours, your system has likely already been updated with a changed dae.bin.
All AP2.5/XGD3 backups that contain the now older AP25 replay data will fail the system?s AP2.5 challenges and indeed flag your system (the flagging has also been confirmed by the team).
Like our news a few days ago, the dae.bin is now being changed by way of an appended challenge table in the same manner on current retail dashes (13604) as it is on the preview dash (14686), however the content of the challenge tables differ. The team has determined that the appended challenge table appears to be unique per console and contains indentifying information. This means that everyone?s dae.bin is different, and can potentially be traced back to your specific console. Therefore, sharing your dae.bin with others is not advisable.
More info to come.
Taken from c4evaspeaks.com.
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#15
17 Nov 2011 @ 1:39
Oh no...this does not sound good at all. Anyone familiar with the terms ECM? DaveTV? :( Same principal.
"All drives should be updated to Lite Touch + (LT+) firmware if playing on XBOX live. Samsung drives and pre-78/79 Hitachi drives do not utilize AP 2.5. All other drives are considered to be detectable by Microsoft (YMMV). Make sure all rips are ABGX verified, contain SSv2, and patched AP2.5 (where needed). XGD3 must currently be burned on new drive with PC Burner Max firmware for 100% rip. All modded consoles can be potentially unsafe for use on XBOX live."
#16
17 Nov 2011 @ 1:47
#17
17 Nov 2011 @ 2:46
Saints Row works for me along with Batman, but nothing else (Skyrim, MW3, ACR) works. Wish I could just take the thing offline and call it a day. Damnit.
#18
17 Nov 2011 @ 3:49
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[2011-11-17 07:53AM UTC] #c4e <c4eva> a solution to the per console ap25 is being worked on, as un-modded boxes are affected, will monitor the situation to see if there is a rollback
Hopefully there is a rollback. There are a lot of people on the official Xbox forums complaining about legit MW3 discs not working and even though some are probably pirates lying, I highly doubt all of them are.
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#19
17 Nov 2011 @ 7:00
ok, im officially banned (tried xval 2.0) not clean as secdata something or other.
i have two questions, now i cannot play the ad 2.5 games, how can i go about playing them (using console offline?)
and secondly, can i recover my gamertag onto a new console (legit) and continue to play with that gamertag and live subscription legit?
thanks
i have two questions, now i cannot play the ad 2.5 games, how can i go about playing them (using console offline?)
and secondly, can i recover my gamertag onto a new console (legit) and continue to play with that gamertag and live subscription legit?
thanks
xbox360 (LT+ 2.0) - ipad 1 (IOS 5.0.1 JB) - revo r3610 (xbmc 10) - dbox2 (r.i.p)
took the plunge to sat! - never got around to purchasing a monthly sub! (freeviewing it :z)
took the plunge to sat! - never got around to purchasing a monthly sub! (freeviewing it :z)
#20
17 Nov 2011 @ 8:25
Originally posted by myksterx:
ok, im officially banned (tried xval 2.0) not clean as secdata something or other.
You don't necessarily get banned just because you're flagged. Lots of unmodded 360s have also been flagged because of this, so MS have to be careful they differentiate between people playing copies and people playing originals. They overturned some bans a few weeks ago because of it and they won't want the bad press again.
Quote:
i have two questions, now i cannot play the ad 2.5 games, how can i go about playing them (using console offline?)
Currently, you can't. You may be able to dump the dae.bin file from your 360's NAND, then use that to re-rip your originals with up to date AP2.5 data. You do own the originals, right? ;)
Quote:
can i recover my gamertag onto a new console (legit) and continue to play with that gamertag and live subscription legit?
Yep.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 17 Nov 2011 @ 8:25
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#21
17 Nov 2011 @ 8:50
I was just about to burn a game but now that I think of it there'll end up being new patches in the end for live so I think I'll just save my verbs.
#22
17 Nov 2011 @ 9:44
thanks for clearing that up.
so if i revert to stock and then re-mod it to the latest flash then try a ap25 game will it work then?
as alls im really bothered about is continuing to use the xbox for back-ups and then ill use my unmodded console online now i know tht i can transfer a banned xbox profile over to a unbanned one and use it without the profile being banned
so if i revert to stock and then re-mod it to the latest flash then try a ap25 game will it work then?
as alls im really bothered about is continuing to use the xbox for back-ups and then ill use my unmodded console online now i know tht i can transfer a banned xbox profile over to a unbanned one and use it without the profile being banned
xbox360 (LT+ 2.0) - ipad 1 (IOS 5.0.1 JB) - revo r3610 (xbmc 10) - dbox2 (r.i.p)
took the plunge to sat! - never got around to purchasing a monthly sub! (freeviewing it :z)
took the plunge to sat! - never got around to purchasing a monthly sub! (freeviewing it :z)
#23
17 Nov 2011 @ 10:01
Eh, this is why I always say have one legit machine and one backup machine. Oh well, glad the fall update didn't come out sooner and made us update to play the new games.
#24
17 Nov 2011 @ 10:31
Originally posted by myksterx:
thanks for clearing that up.
so if i revert to stock and then re-mod it to the latest flash then try a ap25 game will it work then?
Nope. The games themselves need to be re-patched with new AP2.5 data.
Quote:
as alls im really bothered about is continuing to use the xbox for back-ups and then ill use my unmodded console online now i know tht i can transfer a banned xbox profile over to a unbanned one and use it without the profile being banned
Problem is, when you recover your gamertag on the unbanned one, if you then play on the flagged one and go back to the unbanned one again, your gamertag will be corrupt again and you'll have to recover it from Xbox Live, so you'll lose all of the achievements you earned on the flagged console.
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#25
17 Nov 2011 @ 11:47
I haven't even went on live to get the read error (unless my brother did) but I have a failed AP25 challenge. I'll have to ask him if he got a read error on MW3.
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