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So-called "safe" ban check (network test with hard drive disconnected) is not safe
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9. November 2009 @ 01:25 |
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Someone posted a YouTube video earlier of a guy showing you how to do a supposedly safe ban check by doing a network test with your hard drive disconnected. There are now several reports on Xbox-Scene that doing this WILL cause you to lose the hard drive install option if the connection test shows the banned code (8015-190D).
If you were thinking of trying this in order to check for a ban while retaining the install feature - Don't!
EDIT - Oh yeah, before anyone says that this belongs in the ban thread, it would easily get buried in there and people might not see it.
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qwert99
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9. November 2009 @ 02:13 |
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Thanks for the info. I had read rumblings about this but hadn't heard an official word. It's nice to have a trustworthy person actually doing research on the subject, so I don't have to.
Any word on safe ban detection methods besides the 'submit console for RROD repair' one?
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9. November 2009 @ 02:31 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Any word on safe ban detection methods besides the 'submit console for RROD repair' one?
That doesn't work either unfortunately. Some people with banned consoles can still get to the end of the repair request, so I guess that's another failed theory.
I think we're out of luck apart from the NAND dump, which looks kinda complicated. Maybe call centre staff could confirm a ban if you call up and say "my console won't connect to Live and I don't know why".
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couchlock
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9. November 2009 @ 02:39 |
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I don't see how it matters if people do use this method. All you're saying is that it doesn't work. Soooo won't the hard drive functionality be lost anyway? It seems as if the only way to not lose it would be to never log on to xbox live again if you suspect you'll be banned.
Am I misunderstanding this whole thing?
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9. November 2009 @ 02:59 |
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Originally posted by couchlock:
I don't see how it matters if people do use this method. All you're saying is that it doesn't work. Soooo won't the hard drive functionality be lost anyway?
Yes, but that's the exact point. Some people thought that this method would enable you to tell if you're banned, but without losing the hard drive functionality. Someone even posted a YouTube video in the main ban thread and the guy in the video said that this method is safe. It's not. I'm just letting people know so that they don't try it and end up pissed off.
Let's say it worked. I would have waited until I knew the ban wave was over and used this test. If I was banned, I would have only lost Xbox Live functionality. If I wasn't banned, I would have carried on playing online or offline as normal. Now that I know it definitely doesn't work I can decide whether to risk it and connect, knowing I'll lose Live, hard drive installs, and my profile/saves will be corrupted if I am banned, or I can decide to voluntarily keep my console offline. I'm going to do the latter, because I've just bought another console that I'm not going to flash. I'll use that for the few online games I play with friends and use the flashed console for offline play. I'll be able to install games on both and I can swap one hard drive between the two consoles with no corruption issues.
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nich0142
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16. November 2009 @ 12:06 |
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On the main ban thread tn1848 says it worked for him (make sure you don't auto sign in). Can we get a "afterdawn" conclusion to this method of a safe ban check.
Thanks
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bonson
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16. November 2009 @ 12:18 |
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This theory is definitely 100% flawed, i did the test on our nearly new Elite console, no HD or memory card plugged in, not signed in. I started the network test and before it had finished it came up with the banned message.
Do not use this method!
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 12:34 |
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Originally posted by bonson:
This theory is definitely 100% flawed, i did the test on our nearly new Elite console, no HD or memory card plugged in, not signed in. I started the network test and before it had finished it came up with the banned message.
Do not use this method!
You're missing the point. The whole idea is to get the banned message. This test doesnt stop you from getting banned, it stops you from losing your hard drive functionality.
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16. November 2009 @ 12:38 |
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Originally posted by tn1848:
Originally posted by bonson:
This theory is definitely 100% flawed, i did the test on our nearly new Elite console, no HD or memory card plugged in, not signed in. I started the network test and before it had finished it came up with the banned message.
Do not use this method!
You're missing the point. The whole idea is to get the banned message without logging in. This test doesnt stop you from getting banned, it stops you from losing your hard drive functionality.
Where did he say that he signed in? He said he did the network test with no HD/memory card attached and while not signed in, but it came up with the ban message anyway.
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by tn1848:
Originally posted by bonson:
This theory is definitely 100% flawed, i did the test on our nearly new Elite console, no HD or memory card plugged in, not signed in. I started the network test and before it had finished it came up with the banned message.
Do not use this method!
You're missing the point. The whole idea is to get the banned message without logging in. This test doesnt stop you from getting banned, it stops you from losing your hard drive functionality.
Where did he say that he signed in? He said he did the network test with no HD/memory card attached and while not signed in, but it came up with the ban message anyway.
Exactly. He got the ban message. Good, that's what you want to see. Now ask him to login (offline) and see if he can still use his hard drive, offline.
This has worked for me. I did it Friday, 11/13, got the message, and have played MW2 offline several times since, all the while being able to save to my HD. Now keep in mind, that was on Friday, I havent tested it since (and I have no intention to), so who knows, maybe the loophole has been patched since then. Since this is quite possible, if not more than likely, here is your best option:
Originally posted by funksoulb:
I can decide to voluntarily keep my console offline... I've just bought another console that I'm not going to flash. I'll use that for the few online games I play with friends and use the flashed console for offline play. I'll be able to install games on both and I can swap one hard drive between the two consoles with no corruption issues.
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nich0142
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16. November 2009 @ 13:10 |
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Can anybody else confirm tn1848's comments that it works? I don't care if I'm banned or not, I just don't want to loose the ability to install games to my Hard Drive. So I would like the ability to follow the test connection and if I'm banned, I won't log into Live and just use my Xbox as a Fully Functioning OFFLine unit.
Thanks
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by nich0142:
Can anybody else confirm tn1848's comments that it works? I don't care if I'm banned or not, I just don't want to loose the ability to install games to my Hard Drive. So I would like the ability to follow the test connection and if I'm banned, I won't log into Live and just use my Xbox as a Fully Functioning OFFLine unit.
Thanks
Why bother? If you dont care about live, just stay offline voluntarily, and you're good to go. I fully understand the urge to try it anyway and get the satisfaction that comes with knowing for sure, but frankly, its not worth the risk.
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CODgmrWAW
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16. November 2009 @ 13:33 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by couchlock:
I don't see how it matters if people do use this method. All you're saying is that it doesn't work. Soooo won't the hard drive functionality be lost anyway?
Yes, but that's the exact point. Some people thought that this method would enable you to tell if you're banned, but without losing the hard drive functionality. Someone even posted a YouTube video in the main ban thread and the guy in the video said that this method is safe. It's not. I'm just letting people know so that they don't try it and end up pissed off.
Let's say it worked. I would have waited until I knew the ban wave was over and used this test. If I was banned, I would have only lost Xbox Live functionality. If I wasn't banned, I would have carried on playing online or offline as normal. Now that I know it definitely doesn't work I can decide whether to risk it and connect, knowing I'll lose Live, hard drive installs, and my profile/saves will be corrupted if I am banned, or I can decide to voluntarily keep my console offline. I'm going to do the latter, because I've just bought another console that I'm not going to flash. I'll use that for the few online games I play with friends and use the flashed console for offline play. I'll be able to install games on both and I can swap one hard drive between the two consoles with no corruption issues.
Ill be doing this exact same thing. My question is will i be able to use old hard drive on my new x-box i have not signed into live with the hard drive on i simply tested the connection without the hard drive and found it was banned so i have just been using it offline.
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 13:36 |
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Originally posted by CODgmrWAW:
Ill be doing this exact same thing. My question is will i be able to use old hard drive on my new x-box i have not signed into live with the hard drive on i simply tested the connection without the hard drive and found it was banned so i have just been using it offline.
Gotta love how these threads have a tendancy to come full circle. :)
http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-152/...ned_360-814948/
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Boosheezy
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16. November 2009 @ 14:55 |
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I actually used this......kind of...
I was playing legit game on live...I was booted from live and a msg said I needed to be connected for this feature.
I turned off my console, took off the HDD and did the ban test knowing I would be banned. I did see the msg I was banned....
I created a profile and did not want to have live, so it just logs in....i can play all games off the HDD and I have full divx/and i can still use media center
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