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Build a new PC or buy a Mac?

Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by Decodem, Sep 10, 2009.

  1. Decodem

    Decodem Regular member

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    This is a tough decision because I like the appeal of a mac no viruses, fast operating system, nice user interface,but I fell as if I am would be paying for a name brand, when I could easily build my own. I need a laptop for university in two years so what is a better option. I am looking for a price range of around 1600$, and it needs to be fast, but not looking for a gaming pc. My friend said I could get this stuff to make a computer:
    Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
    RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WB Black Foldout MB Computer Case With Side Panel Window
    ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD w/Speakers
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS910 910W Power Supply Compatible with Core i7
    EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
    EVGA GeForce GTX 275 896-P3-1171-AR Video Card - Superclocked Edition
     
  2. KillerBug

    KillerBug Active member

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    That build is a gaming computer. It sacrifices quality and overall functionality (as well as affordability) for gaming performance. You can build a good all-around laptop for much less money.

    You say you don't game...what do you do/want to do with the computer?

    If you realy, realy love the MAC operating system, it can be installed on a PC (macs are just cheap-o windows computers in different cases at much higher prices...you can get better performance, reliability, and price building it yourself).

    http://lifehacker.com/5351485/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish
     
  3. scorpNZ

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    Agreed,the only diff between mac n' pc is the OS & for the price your better off with a pc ,it's not a tough decision at all,pc's get viruses ??no they don't,pc's get viruses because of user ignorance,if you want the best of both worlds & that's a cheap powerful pc with a fast OS then linux would be the go,personally i'd go win 7 along with linux in dual boot,why linux coz thats what a mac OS is so in essence you get the best of both worlds & better yet linux is free
     
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    No, Linux and OSX are radicaly different, at the oposite ends of the spectrum even. OSX allows you to do just about everything from an easy-to-use GUI, where linux requires the command prompt for just about any system task.

    OSX: Easy to use, but limited compatability and funtionality.
    WIN7: Relativly easy to use, best compatability, good functionality, especialy with all the freeware available.
    Linux: Rather difficult to use & setup, VERY limited compatability, excelent functionality, with a considerable collection of freeware available.

    Yes, Linux and OSX don't have many viruses floating around...but then most software does not run on these platforms, so why should viruses be any different? A good virus scanner/firewall like ESET Smart Security will lock windows down a lot tighter than Linux or OSX...allowing detailed control over what programs may access what computers, through what ports.
     
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    OSX and Linux may be different from a GUI standpoint but the kernel is almost identical. You can do just about anything on a Mac that you can do on linux. Apple has just taken a version of Linux and modified it to make it work better with a GUI.

    True, OSX and Linux don't have many virus programmed for them, but the only reason PC users get viruses is from downloading stupid stuff of limewire or shady websites. Not to say there are no viruses for mac and linux, but due to their growing popularity more and more are released everyday.

    Linux isn't really compatible with a lot of software, but its hardware is usually good to go right after installation. And because Linux is developed with the GNU license a lot of users and programmers have developed very similar and free apps to download with linux. A good example is GIMP, which is the alternative to Adobe Photoshop. And if you really want a program that is windows only to run on linux, a good emulator will always work. WIN-E is the most popular for running windows programs in a linux environment.
     
  6. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    I probably would take a Mac over that build, it isn't especially well thought out. However, Performance wise, there is no mac that compares to that system at all. What are you doing with the PC?

    I disagree about the Linux command line comment, there are fully featured GUIs like KDE for a lot of functions. The difference is, The sort of things you use Linux for are not the sort of things you use Windows or OSX for, and thus you tend to use command lines quite often. However, the sort of things you're doing would often be pretty long winded, or impossible to do in the other OSes.
     
  7. scorpNZ

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    Linux & OS have at their core unix

    both have come along way essentially they are the same,linux was rewritten a few years ago from the ground up with unix at it's core

    hard to set up ? must've been a while since you installed linux killer,yeah some linux installs require command line n' stuff however there are others like ubuntu,puppy etc,etc, that require none to get setup, hell! ubuntu can do the install with one mouse click automatically by installing to free space,no more partitioning etc for the novice user like yourself :p *runs*
     
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    sammorris Senior member

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    This isn't anything to do with the OP's thread.
     
  9. Decodem

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    Thanks for the input yeah I was looking for a multi-purpose computer mostly for downloading and streaming video I have my xbox 360 for gaming. The one thing he did convince me on getting is the Intel Core I7? If you could help me find some parts I could easily put them together I was looking for a 1 terabyte hard drive, fast streaming HD capable,fast as in loads up fast and can run multiple programs. The place I planned to buy from is newegg.ca because they are in canada and have wide variety of hardware and it would be easier to ship with one company.
     
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    Newegg.ca is doable. I much prefer gaming on a PC, especially if you're buying a high end one.
    To be honest, the newly released Core i5 actually works out better value than the i7.
     
  11. Decodem

    Decodem Regular member

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    Well I think I would like to prioritize a different field then gaming just to save some money.
     
  12. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    Well, you can certainly save money by not designing the PC for gaming purposes - that spec at the start of the thread needs some work though.

    Some ideas:

    Core i5 750
    Gigabyte P55-UD4 motherboard
    2x2GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz memory for i5
    80GB Intel Gen2 SSD (OS drive)
    1TB WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS (Software drive)
    Optiarc 24x DVD drive
    Corsair VX 450W Power supply
    Sapphire Radeon HD4650 Graphics card
    NZXT Tempest case
    Dell 2408WFP Monitor
    Logitech Z-4 Speakers
     
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    Specs look good and I agree that his OP was a little..outlandish..for not being a gamer.

    Only concern I have about your build is the 450 watt PSU..Thats a little small...well..yea..its small..If your doing a custom built system your gonna want room to upgrade in the future and a 450watt is not gonna cut it.

    I would suggest a PC&P 650-800 watt psu. they'll run about 100-150 but with Newegg and there mail in rebates, you might be able to get a good one for about 75$.I wouldn't go below 650..At the least 600.

    And as for the Mac/PC debate..Just get a PC that will run Mac.I've got an HP Workstation xw8200 with dual xeons,4 gigs ddr2 and an Nvidia Quadro fx 540 gpu and I can install with a retail disk..lol..all I gotta do is load a bootloader and I'm good to go.I'm running Leopard right know and will be upgrading real soon.Mac is the bomb and want go back to Windows(evven though I love Windows 7)

    ~SMurf
     
  14. Decodem

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    So here is what I am looking for in a nutshell a PC with 6 gb ram, a fast processor, hd compatible, 1 terabyte of memory, bluray drive,nice case, quite power supply, I want good overall speed, for instance I have very fast internet ,but my computer cannot use it because it is so old. Do you need a special card to install Mac OSX. Also how much would the new pc cost, because I told my friend today and he thought I wanted a gaming computer? I am right that buy building your own computer you save money right?
     
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  15. sammorris

    sammorris Senior member

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    If you're going to upgrade in future to a bigger CPU, the 450W PSU is ample - it's even sufficient to add a reasonably powerful GPU. The majority of people out there have no idea what power supply is needed to run a system. PCP&C units lik the ones you list do the job, and aren't outlandishly expensive, but are still a waste of money, and make almost enough noise to raise the dead.
    Given that the PC i've listed only uses around 130W at full load, even a 200W PSU would suffice, let alone a 450. There's ample room for improvement there.
     
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    What do you mean by'special card'..your best bet for a hackintosh is a core 2 duo,quad,i5,i7..etc,etc..a Gigabyte or Asus board..know..That right there is about 350$..theres also 6 gigs of ram(what do you need it for)what apps do you run?Since the new i5's and i7's runn ddr-3 its not as cheap as ddr-2 but its about 100$ for 6 gigs.maybe cheaper.and one treabyte of memoy(don't you mean hard drive)lol..willll run about 80$.I suggest a Western Digital..there the only ones that havent crapped out on me yet..got 3 of em and there awesome.

    Blue ra...wanna burn??200$..wanna just watch..60$..
    Graphics card..hmm..what are you gonna be doing with your comp??editing movies??Maybe a Gforce 9800 or a gts 250??either way..maybe 150$ for it.
    In a nutshell,your lloking at about 700-800$ for a kick ass system that you dont have to worry about for an extremely long time. If you want a more precise buil list or am curious about hackintosh, pm me and i can get you a list of the best parts for building a "hack pro"

    ~SMurf
     
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    sammorris Senior member

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    That post gives me a headache just looking at it.
    In short, you don't need a graphics card like a 9800 or GTS250 when you're not going to be playing games.
    If using i5, memory is dual channel, so 4 or 8GB not 6.
     
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    I will look into that build, can it run hacintosh? It is in my price range,and it should last me a couple years my only decision now is between, buying an I7 or saving 300$ and getting cheaper stuff? Six gigabytes of ram is enough right?
    Edit: I found a deal
    Code:
    [url=http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4945626&sku=B69-4006]here [/url]
    for the i7 is it any good?
     
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  20. Shokz

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    We were all thinking it, thank you for saying it >.<

    Actually that was three individual things, but all the same.

    Sam's build is perfect (or there abouts) if you're sure you're not going to want to game.

    The i7 920 isn't really worth it any more with the i5 750 jumping up and down like an overexcited puppy :/

    Six gigs is MORE than enough. Someone show me where a normal user is ever going to need six gigs of ram.

    And deal? What deal? I'm trying to get my head round how it costs so much... Waaait for it... No.

    (And psst, FYI; the code tags shouldn't be there)
     
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