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#5801
Originally posted by Blazorthon:
Originally posted by theonejrs:

Blazorthon,

Thanks! Any software you could recommend? This would be for moving large several GB files, and anything that can speed up an already fast drive would sure cut down on the transfer time.

Thanks again,
Russ
Sorry, but I'm not very experienced with the subject beyond that it can be done- you might be better off doing a Google search and doing a search or two on a few of the consistent results. I'll try that and report back, but IDK if I'd do it any better than you.

I know that Intel's Z series boards have support from Intel for it (up to 20GB or 40GB can be used for cache on an SSD for a hard drive, IDR which), Crucial has some software for it, and a few others have it as well as there being some open-source caching software, but IDK which is the best or if different situations have different preferences among these programs.

Sorry for not being more helpful :(

Blazorthon,

I'm in the same boat. I did all this stuff years ago, but it's been so long ago, and so much has changed, it's getting hard to keep up with! The past three GigaByte motherboards I've had until the 990XA-UD4, all had two preconfigured "Purple" Sata ports, run by their own Native Sata chip, so depending on if the board had e-sata, you would have 5 or 6 ports left, for a total of 8 Sata ports. I didn't need to do a thing anymore Nice!

Once more, thanks again. I'll do some googling and see what I can find.

Best Regards,
Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


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#5802
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i Have uninstalled BF:BC2 from the SSD, now i have about 10GB free, but still quite sluggish. time for a full format, after work, methinks. sit down and smoke a shisha while fresh installing an OS. Might aswell look for a 4.2 ROM for my galaxy nexus. sounds like a plan. will take before and after shots, of SSD read/write/iops etc. What would be the best tool for that?

You uninstalled WHAT! You mean, Shaff, that you've had enough of massacring everybody on that game? Did you ever get into the Vietnam map pack? I like BC2 more than BF3 for some reason - the look of the graphics being the main reason I guess - and the Vietnam map pack is far better than anything I've ever seen from those Dice guys. Except that nobody bought it but me - so not many still playing it. Good luck with speeding up your ssd.

Speaking more about your competitive skills, have you checked out the new Counter Strike Global Offensive? Sam likes it - I like it. Pretty nice graphics, and an inexpensive game.

Rich
#5803
Originally posted by harvardguy:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i Have uninstalled BF:BC2 from the SSD, now i have about 10GB free, but still quite sluggish. time for a full format, after work, methinks. sit down and smoke a shisha while fresh installing an OS. Might aswell look for a 4.2 ROM for my galaxy nexus. sounds like a plan. will take before and after shots, of SSD read/write/iops etc. What would be the best tool for that?

You uninstalled WHAT! You mean, Shaff, that you've had enough of massacring everybody on that game? Did you ever get into the Vietnam map pack? I like BC2 more than BF3 for some reason - the look of the graphics being the main reason I guess - and the Vietnam map pack is far better than anything I've ever seen from those Dice guys. Except that nobody bought it but me - so not many still playing it. Good luck with speeding up your ssd.

Speaking more about your competitive skills, have you checked out the new Counter Strike Global Offensive? Sam likes it - I like it. Pretty nice graphics, and an inexpensive game.

Rich
Rich,

Check your PMs!

Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


#5804
Originally posted by Blazorthon:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by Blazorthon:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
So my corsair f60 ssd hovers around 1GB free, but I assume that shouldn't affect SSDs. It has been over a year since I have reinstalled windows 7, which is the longest time period I can remember for myself. Right now it's quite sluggishness hoo up and loading programs. Should bind a wipe or is there software that can optimise bit again?

Actually, that does affect SSDs. Like with hard drives (although for different reasons), filling an SSD up usually slows it down along a somewhat exponential curve (how much of a problem this is depends on the SSD, it varies greatly). Having only 1GB free is probably related to your sluggishness issue.
Surely this is what TRIM is supposed to deal with?
It can't deal with it if it doesn't have enough clearable space to work with. TRIM can't fix anything if you fill up the drive until it has no more free space to juggle with and not enough data getting deleted to alleviate the lack of free space. TRIM is good at cleaning things up, but it needs space to work with.

If the drive only has 1GB of space left and nothing is getting deleted to increase the free space, what is TRIM supposed to do? It has nearly no space already except for a little over-provisioning (hardly any in a 60GB drive) and unless you keep deleting stuff, it can't get any more free space.

Filling up an SSD has the potential to be much more harmful than filling up a hard drive because if data can't get moved around, some cells will get more worked than others no matter what Trim tries unless it reduces performance to give it enough time to juggle data around for wear-leveling and then you get sluggish performance. Perfect storm.
Exactly right and is why I didn't waste my time with a 60GB SSD. Plus as the drive wears you will loose space too and you would be even worst off.

Using an SSD as a Windows cache drive may help some but you would get more performance just increasing your RAM and using that instead, eliminating the hard drive cache completely.

It looks like it is time to pull the trigger on the new 8 core Vishera 4.0GHz processor since I have this new case. The new case can utilize a tall 120mm airflow cooler as well as a water rig and with multiple large slow speed PWM fans I should be able to keep the processor and a new high-end video card cool without excessive noise hopefully. With exception to the width of the case, being larger then my other cases, I really like the the Fractal Arc. Cable management is great, multiple fan support, water radiator external support, Lower mount PSU support for multiple form factors, great drive bay support with easy to use removable trays secured by a single thumb screw, and even the fan controller seems decent for a cheesy location to mount it. For a old antiquated design she is pretty darn nice, far from antiquated of course. :D

I plan on getting a couple of mini-atx cases, similar to what Kevin bought, as well to convert my HTPC and main PC's too and save some room as they don't need to be pushed or have hot components in them. If I can get a deal like I did on the Fractal again I may buy one more or another case similar to it at the same price point.

So hopefully by X-mas I'll have the new Vishera with one of the following mainboards:

ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional AM3+ AMD 990FX
ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 AM3+
ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z AM3+ AMD 990FX

There are some cheaper boards I like too but above is my target group.
#5805
I bought the Micro ATX case.
HEC HTPC cases
It does a reasonable job with different fans, and a slightly underclocked Athlon 5200. The CPU fan used to Rev up due to heat(naturally). It is in an enclosed area. Can't be avoided. Never bought a mini ITX case. Looks agreeable, but Not into the slot disc drives. Keep in mind that the PSU that comes with, is very cheap. I have it on standby just in case, but they supposedly quit quickly. I replaced with a seasonic right off the bat. Strong little sucker!



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#5806
I've been looking at both and will probably go Micro ATX too. here is the case I'm looking at and I'll get a Hudson 3 or 4 chipset FM2 motherboard for it with a A10 cpu.

IN WIN BL647.300TBL Black Steel MicroATX Slim Case Computer Case 300W Power Supply
PPC Technology for advanced thermal & acoustic
#5807
That's a sharp case steve. If I were in the market, I'd likely consider it.



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#5808
hey guys long time for me since i posted here going to update my machine probably the first of the year DDR3 i7 core etc along with windows7 and making sure there are no problem/conflits using windows7 and the burning software like nero7, DVD Flick,DVD Rebuilder,anydvd CloneDVD, IMG Burn, DVD Decrypter etc...i guess its easier to ask if there are programs that don't work? I'm going to use the same case and power supply and OODs thats about it everything else is going to be replaced




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#5809
All those are Windows 7 compatible yep; can't think of anything similar that wouldn't be now.

Assuming PSU is the one listed in your sig it should still be ample too.


#5810
yeah sticking with that one...way due for an update though




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#5811
Originally posted by Ripper:
All those are Windows 7 compatible yep; can't think of anything similar that wouldn't be now.

Assuming PSU is the one listed in your sig it should still be ample too.

Ripper,

Win 7 and compatibility are misnomers! Windows 7 is the biggest bunch of garbage I've ever used. I bought 2 Microsoft Intelemouse 3000s, so I would be sure of compatibility with Win 7. They weren't! It took about 2 months before M$ found the problem and provided a solution! It seems to me if we aren't going to get a completely stable version, that doesn't break down in some way or another, every other day, MS should have to take it back, and give you your money back! It isn't close to a finished product, and I'm tired of being an unpaid beta tester!

Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


#5812
Russ, isn't it possible, that you simply bought a mouse that slipped through the cracks? And I say again... My positive experience with windows 7 has been FAR GREATER than that of XP. NO exaggeration here :p



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#5813
Agreed, the problem here is with the mouse and MS forgetting to provide support for it (Although quite how they broke it in the first place is another matter).



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#5814
I used to buy Ford brand vehicles. I tried putting in a better radio from a different model that was supposed to work with the original wiring harness. The radio didnt work, so now i think Fords suck and they shouldn't be allowed to make cars anymore.

#5815
Quote:
Ripper,

Win 7 and compatibility are misnomers! Windows 7 is the biggest bunch of garbage I've ever used. I bought 2 Microsoft Intelemouse 3000s, so I would be sure of compatibility with Win 7.
32 or 64 bit? Regardless, that may be but in terms of the software he listed I'm pretty sure it's all compatible and stable - with maybe the exception of DVD Rebuilder which needs a bit of tweaking ie run as Admin etc.


#5816
WindowsXP is going to lose support in the near future May of 2014 ,i think so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade my machine and still use XP..i see no other choice other than Windows7 I've worked with it some and like it so far...i milked this machine way to long and need an update bad..the DDR2 ram and small HDDs are almost stone age lol...BTW I'm going with two 1TB HDDs which brands are leading the pack?...I'm sticking with a updated Asus MB and Intel QuadCore and a updated Videocard and DDR3 ram...the ODDs(other than maybe getting a Blu-Ray drive) power supply and case are fine..should be a pretty simply upgrade actually..this big Antec 1200 case is easy to work with, plenty of room




Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Mobo/Western Digital Black WD5003AZEX 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" HDD/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics/CORSAIR Hydro Series H80 (CWCH80) High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Plextor PX-810SA Sata Drives/Asus IPS 27"PB278Q Monitor 2560 x 1440 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
#5817
I have grown to love Windows 7 Windows 8 on the other hand is a repeat to Vista. My MS keyboard and mouse [wireless] didn't work for the first 2 months till a patch came out. A couple of printers also didn't work I have not found a program yet that hasn't ran on my win7 64 bit pro also with Xp compatibility.One thing that I haven't been able to do without any problems popping up is run a dual boot system off one hard drive [XP and Win7] Now my Win XP 64 bit really sucked. Maybe if I get use to Win 8 I'll like it better. The one thing Win 8 does is load devices and programs hands off.
#5818
i really dont get anyones beef with vista. was a much better OS than XP.



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#5819
Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
WindowsXP is going to lose support in the near future May of 2014 ,i think so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade my machine and still use XP..i see no other choice other than Windows7 I've worked with it some and like it so far...i milked this machine way to long and need an update bad..the DDR2 ram and small HDDs are almost stone age lol...BTW I'm going with two 1TB HDDs which brands are leading the pack?...I'm sticking with a updated Asus MB and Intel QuadCore and a updated Videocard and DDR3 ram...the ODDs(other than maybe getting a Blu-Ray drive) power supply and case are fine..should be a pretty simply upgrade actually..this big Antec 1200 case is easy to work with, plenty of room
You can't go by Russ's mouse problems which are by far not the end of the world and he has been able to fix the problems with a good driver if I recall correctly.

Windows 7 is great overall and you shouldn't be worried about using it but like ALL OS's there are always some issues. As to ripping movies if you use ProCoder with XP you will need to have the newest version of it to run on Seven without it crashing towards the end of encoding video.

BD Rebuilder works great if you would like to get into Blu-ray ripping and I have a easy setup I can upload for you if you wish to go that route. Also only install the codecs required by BD Rebuilder which should be all you need for everything else.

Hope that helps,
Stevo
#5820
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i really dont get anyones beef with vista. was a much better OS than XP.
I don't think so Vista was a compatibility problem waiting to happen and a bloat pig just like ME. I won't use it!
#5821
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i really dont get anyones beef with vista. was a much better OS than XP.
I know your one of the few that I know of that thinks that Vista was better than XP. But in my own opinion Ireally think Vista sucked and MS took me for $ like they did on XP64 bit. But I have three OS I should've never bought. One was Win XP 64bit, the other was Vista business class, and the third is Win8.[possible I could change my mind on 8 the more I play with it].
#5822
Once you get past Metro it's fine but having to boot into that horrible UI is too much for me. When someone comes up with a work around for the Metro nonsense I'll start using it probably.
#5823
Ripper. I use DVD rebuilder frequently on Windows 7 X64. Not one problem, not one tweak. But then, I don't use the UAC. It's the first thing I disable. Silliest thing I've ever seen in a windows OS!



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#5824
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Once you get past Metro it's fine but having to boot into that horrible UI is too much for me. When someone comes up with a work around for the Metro nonsense I'll start using it probably.
I'm using Classic Shell on Win8 with a Win7 menu. And your absolutely right how in the hell they ever came up with Metro is beyond me.Standard games don't come loaded and you have to sign into the Windows store for them if you use free your limited to how many games to play such as in the solitary.
#5825
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Once you get past Metro it's fine but having to boot into that horrible UI is too much for me. When someone comes up with a work around for the Metro nonsense I'll start using it probably.
There are several, although I don't think any are perfect. If you're willing to put up with the start menu taking a while to open sometimes, ClassicShell is a good free method.



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