glassd, the newer ones are not like an ipod they are conciderably superior in both hardware and software for crazy cheap. In 2008 they took 10% of the sales from Apple. This year they will probably do the same. No company has beat up Apple like that since IBM came out with their PC. The I got a 16 G Sansa View this year for 65 USD. We have all the name brand players in our house. The kids are always trying to steal the View. I is by far the nicest player I have ever seen. The screen is more vivid than any I have seen. It plays just about any major audio format including oggs. It also takes a chip. Oh did I say battery life for audio is a wopping 32 hrs? Oh and it will not delete all your music of kill your ipod if you plug it into a different computer than your usual one. Yes KILL.