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Nagra 3 - Where we stand
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5. November 2009 @ 08:15 |
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Guys, the amount of posts asking the same thing in every post is growing,
At present, there is no cable fix for Nagra 3 nor is there one for Sat, Read the below for a better understanding. Nagra 3 has been about for a good while now, with no crack appearing, I am sure coders are working on it and have been a since its launch, but to no avail, Cable in Ireland using the normal methods is in its twillight due to Nagra 3, now using lan type box such as a Dreambox with a sat dish is a different way to go, there is some good posts on it on here and worth reading if you want to go that route.
All the older boxs that dont currently have a N2 fix wont be getting one and albeit obsolete. But like anything, dont bin it, you ill never know what the future holds.
You will hear rumours and hearsay, thats what they are and no more, Below is a thread, not my work, kudos to the authors on N3 and what to expect.
Q: What is nagravision 3 (N3 for short) ?
Nagravision is an encryption method used by both satellite providers.
This locks and secures their channels so that only subscribers who have authorization can view.
Nagravision 1 and nagravision 2 (nagra 1 & nagra 2) have been compromised and exploited, allowing unauthorized access via hardware and or software to view their channels. Naturally when this happens the providers must find a way to lock their signals again, if only as a way to inconvenience you momentarily in hopes you find an easier way. (Just pay them monthly). Remember, if no one paid for the birds in the sky you wouldn't be watching them.its always a very very good idea to pay for their services. If only for a basic subscription.
Q: What about new software?
No one knows this information besides the coders. They will not disclose to much info before hand.
Q: If it does get cracked, how long will it take?
Again, the same thing applies. We simply do not know.
We do know however, the switchover from nagra 1 to nagra 2 was only a matter of a few weeks. But this may not be as easy as last time. Only skilled coding teams will know what it takes. Most of the upper/common coders,or spokesman's for them have already stated that they are working on it. As soon as the files are finished we will have it posted. And yes, we will have it posted before or in the same time as other websites.
Q: What channels have already switched over to nagra 3, thus resulting in a black screen?
DN is curreN*ly making the switch now, shutting off the lights to nagra 2 and only using nagra 3 as their encryption method.
Many channels such as HD and some premium movie channels have been reported down, it is only a matter of time before is completely dark.
Remember,there is a whole sky up there full of channels that in many cases are free and clear,using 0% encryption.that's why your receivers are 100% legal. Of course I only recommend buying and using your fta receivers for their intended use,and any other information as always is for educational use only. More info here:
So in short the dark days are ahead and only coders releasing new software for nagra 3 will turn the lights back on.
We recommend that you start recording some of the shows in case of prolonged blackout.
The N3 switch, what to do & what you should not do...
Except for old timers, most of you have never seen a nag switch.
There is no need to keep posting (I lost channel xxx, how do I get it back?)
We all know the providers are switching to N3. You will lose more & more channels until they are all gone. You will get scrambled channels, sound but no video, ect. All that is to be expected during a switch, there is nothing you can do about it except making sure the channel loss is not on your end.
As time goes on, rumors will surface like you have never seen. You will also see many scams.
Example:
N3 was hacked by a monK*y in China, he has the hack for sale, we need money..
The monK*y opened a private site , only $500.98 to join..
We almost have the fix, we just need to tweak it, but ran out of money..
Your receiver won't work for N3, buy this one...
k**s will work...
My friend's uncle"s sisters, cousin has the fix, all channels wide open...
Keep your old receivers, we don't know what will work & what won't. If you have to have a new unit, buy a $100 one until this is over..
We have experienced staff, the seniors have been thru these changes from the F card to N1, N2 & now N3.
We know where to look for bins & info, We have enough experience to know fact from rumors & scams.
The staff will be very busy, searching for info to keep you up to date. We will not have time to correct useless post by ppl who have no idea what they posted.
Please, let the staff do their job & all will Be Fine.
All we can do now is ride it out, & watch for new developments.
More info on N3:
Nagravision is a company of the Kudelski Group that develops conditional access systems for cable and satellite television. The name is also used for their main products, the Nagravision encryption systems.
Three versions of Nagravision are in common use for digital satellite television, known as Nagravision, Nagravision Cardmagedon, and Nagravision Aladin. Nagravision Cardmagedon and Aladin are often confused with each other. Nagravision Cardmagedon is however, a complicated combination of Nagravision Aladin and Mediaguard SECA 2 encryption.
The decryption unit is either integrated into a receiver, available as a conditional access module (CAM), or as one of many encryption schemes supported on a CAM emulator.
Nagravision has been adopted all over the world as a conditional access system, with providers like V88g8n Media in the UK and Dream Satellite TV Philippines (on Nagravision 1), Polsat of Poland, Digital+ Spain (now on Nagravision 3), TV Cabo Portugal, Premiere Germany, Digi TV Romania, B** TV and and Dish USA (On Nagravision 2).
The original Nagravision 1 is now almost obsolete after it was originally compromised in 1999, although Dream Satellite maintain relative security by changing k**s several times throughout the day, causing great inconvenience to unauthorized viewers.
The Nagravision Aladin providers have been confronting the issue of satellite signal piracy and smart card piracy, since the system was publicly compromised in summer 2005. At first, security of the system was regained, with software revisions, manipulation of the Nagravision encryption algorithm, along with the phasing out of older cards, like the ROM101, ROM102, ROM103 in USA and ROM110,ROM120,ROM130 in Europe, in favor of the newer ROM142/ROM180.
Card hackers have, however, continued to compromise the encryption system, with continued software and K*y releases being made available to the public. Software emulation of the Nagravision system has been implemented in many Free-To-Air Satellite receivers, allowing unauthorized viewing to those who do not own an official card. As of the summer of 2008, the next version of Nagravision, nagra3, has been compromised in Europe.
Nagra 3 will be the same Nagra 3 here as there. There will be changes in map calls & timers like there is now. If Nagra 3 is cracked in Europe it will be cracked here as well. That does not mean there will not be upgrades to the code. There will always be that.
The real question is , will your current FTA unit handle the upgraded code?
The reason we have to wait is because our providers will adjust the ECMS so that it takes longer to hack, and so the coders cant just use the Euro coders work
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Dubfella
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Originally posted by MICKAH: if your source was that reliable why ask the question?
Q: What is nagravision 3 (N3 for short) ?
Nagravision is an encryption method used by both satellite providers.
This locks and secures their channels so that only subscribers who have authorization can view.
Nagravision 1 and nagravision 2 (nagra 1 & nagra 2) have been compromised and exploited, allowing unauthorized access via hardware and or software to view their channels. Naturally when this happens the providers must find a way to lock their signals again, if only as a way to inconvenience you momentarily in hopes you find an easier way. (Just pay them monthly). Remember, if no one paid for the birds in the sky you wouldn't be watching them.its always a very very good idea to pay for their services. If only for a basic subscription.
Q: What about new software?
No one knows this information besides the coders. They will not disclose to much info before hand.
Q: If it does get cracked, how long will it take?
Again, the same thing applies. We simply do not know.
We do know however, the switchover from nagra 1 to nagra 2 was only a matter of a few weeks. But this may not be as easy as last time. Only skilled coding teams will know what it takes. Most of the upper/common coders,or spokesman's for them have already stated that they are working on it. As soon as the files are finished we will have it posted. And yes, we will have it posted before or in the same time as other websites.
Q: What channels have already switched over to nagra 3, thus resulting in a black screen?
DN is curreN*ly making the switch now, shutting off the lights to nagra 2 and only using nagra 3 as their encryption method.
Many channels such as HD and some premium movie channels have been reported down, it is only a matter of time before is completely dark.
Remember,there is a whole sky up there full of channels that in many cases are free and clear,using 0% encryption.that's why your receivers are 100% legal. Of course I only recommend buying and using your fta receivers for their intended use,and any other information as always is for educational use only. More info here:
So in short the dark days are ahead and only coders releasing new software for nagra 3 will turn the lights back on.
We recommend that you start recording some of the shows in case of prolonged blackout.
The N3 switch, what to do & what you should not do...
Except for old timers, most of you have never seen a nag switch.
There is no need to keep posting (I lost channel xxx, how do I get it back?)
We all know the providers are switching to N3. You will lose more & more channels until they are all gone. You will get scrambled channels, sound but no video, ect. All that is to be expected during a switch, there is nothing you can do about it except making sure the channel loss is not on your end.
As time goes on, rumors will surface like you have never seen. You will also see many scams.
Example:
N3 was hacked by a monK*y in China, he has the hack for sale, we need money..
The monK*y opened a private site , only $500.98 to join..
We almost have the fix, we just need to tweak it, but ran out of money..
Your receiver won't work for N3, buy this one...
k**s will work...
My friend's uncle"s sisters, cousin has the fix, all channels wide open...
Keep your old receivers, we don't know what will work & what won't. If you have to have a new unit, buy a $100 one until this is over..
We have experienced staff, the seniors have been thru these changes from the F card to N1, N2 & now N3.
We know where to look for bins & info, We have enough experience to know fact from rumors & scams.
The staff will be very busy, searching for info to keep you up to date. We will not have time to correct useless post by ppl who have no idea what they posted.
Please, let the staff do their job & all will Be Fine.
All we can do now is ride it out, & watch for new developments.
More info on N3:
Nagravision is a company of the Kudelski Group that develops conditional access systems for cable and satellite television. The name is also used for their main products, the Nagravision encryption systems.
Three versions of Nagravision are in common use for digital satellite television, known as Nagravision, Nagravision Cardmagedon, and Nagravision Aladin. Nagravision Cardmagedon and Aladin are often confused with each other. Nagravision Cardmagedon is however, a complicated combination of Nagravision Aladin and Mediaguard SECA 2 encryption.
The decryption unit is either integrated into a receiver, available as a conditional access module (CAM), or as one of many encryption schemes supported on a CAM emulator.
Nagravision has been adopted all over the world as a conditional access system, with providers like V88g8n Media in the UK and Dream Satellite TV Philippines (on Nagravision 1), Polsat of Poland, Digital+ Spain (now on Nagravision 3), TV Cabo Portugal, Premiere Germany, Digi TV Romania, B** TV and and Dish USA (On Nagravision 2).
The original Nagravision 1 is now almost obsolete after it was originally compromised in 1999, although Dream Satellite maintain relative security by changing k**s several times throughout the day, causing great inconvenience to unauthorized viewers.
The Nagravision Aladin providers have been confronting the issue of satellite signal piracy and smart card piracy, since the system was publicly compromised in summer 2005. At first, security of the system was regained, with software revisions, manipulation of the Nagravision encryption algorithm, along with the phasing out of older cards, like the ROM101, ROM102, ROM103 in USA and ROM110,ROM120,ROM130 in Europe, in favor of the newer ROM142/ROM180.
Card hackers have, however, continued to compromise the encryption system, with continued software and K*y releases being made available to the public. Software emulation of the Nagravision system has been implemented in many Free-To-Air Satellite receivers, allowing unauthorized viewing to those who do not own an official card. As of the summer of 2008, the next version of Nagravision, nagra3, has been compromised in Europe.
Nagra 3 will be the same Nagra 3 here as there. There will be changes in map calls & timers like there is now. If Nagra 3 is cracked in Europe it will be cracked here as well. That does not mean there will not be upgrades to the code. There will always be that.
The real question is , will your current FTA unit handle the upgraded code?
The reason we have to wait is because our providers will adjust the ECMS so that it takes longer to hack, and so the coders cant just use the Euro coders work
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M1CHAELD
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5. November 2009 @ 08:27 |
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Cheers!. some good info on there.
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apd06
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5. November 2009 @ 12:11 |
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Originally posted by M1CHAELD:
Cheers!. some good info on there.
So good he posted it twice
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5. November 2009 @ 12:43 |
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bit of luck they read this time round
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butsy07
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5. November 2009 @ 14:47 |
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Cheers mickah for the post. lots of good information there.
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5. November 2009 @ 16:16 |
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This should be a sticky - fair play Mikah.
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rooney123
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6. November 2009 @ 08:35 |
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Mickah why do you thinks its taking so long for a full switch to n3 as we still have lots of channels including ppv for the fight tomorrow nite..I think the switch from n1 to n2 was done in a couple of weeks
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6. November 2009 @ 08:38 |
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Not sure what their agenda is, but something is holding them up or they are holding off, it took them a few days to move the prem to N3 from N2,
Chorus land they are moving as we speak
the switch from N1 to N2 took a while,
But long may it continue!!!
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rooney123
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6. November 2009 @ 08:47 |
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Yeah hopefully we will get a bit longer out of it..Think csharing is the only way now
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13. November 2009 @ 08:37 |
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by the sounds of it yeah
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mellio
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13. November 2009 @ 10:37 |
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TBH i cant see U*C knocking them off that quickly anyway due to the fact that people will transfer to S*y if they do knowing for an extra 2.50 eur you can get 4 packs with S*y for only 27.50.
This will have entertainment, kids, music, news(Incl ATR) so wouldn't be worth staying with Cable for what you get for 24.50.
b4 u ask i dont work for S*y.
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13. November 2009 @ 14:04 |
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that doesnt really make any sense, as some folk just have the basic and use a box, so they get everything by just paying for their normal 15 chans, no digi box or digi packs from upcccc at all,
methinks they are working around they whole network and providers in ireland systematically to move the premium chans to N3 and then prob will come back to the balance, who knows........
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mellio
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13. November 2009 @ 15:48 |
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Hi Mickah,
thats exactly what I do.
My point is what is the cost of the 15 channels per month on analogue? 24.50 eur
if they changed all channels to N3 you would be left with your 15 channels via your cable as boxes would become useless.
I am then saying for only a couple of euro more you can get sky+ with 4 packs for only 27eur.
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