Another new build advice thread

Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by LOCOENG, Oct 7, 2007.

  1. LOCOENG

    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    The easy part is behind me, it's an uphill battle from here....
     
  2. greensman

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    LOCO building is easy. Getting all the parts to like each other is the difficult part. hehehe. You'll do just fine and if you need some help there are plenty of helpers in the this thread or you can brave a few posts in the PC build thread. :D

    If I can do this stuff then anyone can. TRUST me. :D

    .....gm
     
  3. PacMan777

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    True. The innards are much like putting together a small erector set. The "magic" is done at the factory when the chips are made. Buying compatible, good quality components is the only talent really necessary as far as foresight goes. It's the horrible gremlins that get us in the end. Figuring out what went wrong when a problem crops up shows what a builder is made of. Some of us have a horror story or 2 to tell.

    Understanding the BIOS and how it controls the system helps a lot. The rest of the skills needed are mostly diagnostics for hardware and software. When "firing up" the first time, a DOA or intermittantly flawed part can leave even the best builder scratching his head. Even the best manufacturers send out the occasional "bad" part. Who'd need a warranty if they didn't? LOL I wouldn't wish a mobo with an intermittant problem on anyone but my worst enemy. ;)

    LOCO
    Check out the forums at Tomshardware and some of the other like tech forums for some of their hardware reviews. Don't take any one as the gospel though. Get a good look at the "lay of the land". You have to remember some of those guys have their biases. Some folks doing reviews have as much credibility as we do. LOL Greensman made a good point. If you're not going to OC, stock parts do a good job. Some of the older stock HSFs were throwaway items, but the newer ones used with both Intel and AMD do a decent job. Some of those old processors needed a refrigeration unit. ;) You're selecting from 2 of the leaders in mobo manufacturing. So, you appear to have already done most of your research. Pulling the lever on that final "perfect" part is always the hard part. My Washingtons never leave home without a fight.
     
  4. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Indeed, PC knowledge and PC building is easy as pie, hence why i don't do PC's (or Windows for that matter) for a living, everyone and his wife is a PC Specialist or is an MCSE, it's beyond me how they get paid enough what with half the planet being so-called PC or Windows specialists :)
     
  5. LOCOENG

    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    What are you on about old bean...we need to petition to have your nic changed to "grumpy" :)
     
  6. PacMan777

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    Creaky
    There's still enough people not inclined to open a PC case to see what's in there. So, there should be enough work for the techs. For those of us who have built our own PCs and know a bit about the software, we think some of the prices charged for repairs border on robbery. Some of the repairs can be done so quickly the shops are actually charging about $100 an hour. Also, I've seen some supposed pros make mistakes as well. A friend took his PC to the shop and they told him his processor was going bad. It was an older PC and simply didn't have the resources to multitask the way my friend expected. Instead of replacing the processor I added more RAM. His kids are still using the PC. It's not the main PC in the house, but it's not a throwaway model either. Cost of repair, about $50 for the RAM. It cost more for the bad diagnosis.

    A good AV program and reg cleaner would cost the techs more business than most of the enthusiast builders. ;)

    I don't advertise my advice in public and have only 2 friends outside the family that seek me out to help with PC problems.

    I don't consider myself a specialist, but I know where the parts go and how to troubleshoot problems. I may not be as fast as the pros or have their tools, but I get the job done on my equipment. I suspect there's quite a few who have learned the same, who don't claim professional skills either. There's a lot that can be picked up on the forums as well. It's just a matter of sifting through the material. Like anything else, there's those who get people mixed up and those who lend credible advice.
     
  7. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    yeah, i hear you; i guess my lack of respect for the PC world in general kind of leaked out there :)

    Anyways, not much i can add to the Asus discussions, have never used one; plus since my recent Quad core build i'm all built out. Since then i've replaced most of my old P3 machines with Dell Core Duo machines so no more self builds for, well, a few years now i imagine. The MSI P35 Platinum i have in the Quad Core is doing it's thing well, it's just about fully loaded, upon startup it tends to reboot once, then starts fine; weird, but consistent so i pay it no heed, the 620watt PSU is handling the 5 WD hard drives and 3 opticals nicely, plus 5 USB connected WD drives, oh and 2 USB opticals too :)
     
  8. sammorris

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    Pacman777: I agree wholeheartedly with that last paragraph. I'm one of those that will always happily help someone out if they ask for help, but don't go around bragging about it. It would be nice to be able to make a living out of what I do, but I don't have the heart to rip people off as much as some.
     
  9. greensman

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    Good grief what are you running a massive server or half of England??? hehehe. I'm impressed creaky. I can't remember what kind of storage you're talking about but it's like 3TB isn't it?? Geez that's a lot of PRON!!!!! hehehee. :p
    creaks what kind of enclosure are you using with the HDD's?? I have a Galaxy and like it but I think I may need another one soon, any preferences?? tia.....

    ....gm

    Oh and the next person that says I'm excessive should L@@K at what creaky just wrote.... :p (I only had 3 internal HDD's and 5 internal ODD's plus 1 USB HDD.....lol)

    see LOCO it's easy, just ask any of us!!!! hahaha......
     
  10. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL @grumpy

    my main pc (the sexy Quad core) has 5 internal 500GB drives (WD5000AAKS's). It had 6 but i ran out of controllers so the 6th is now in an eSATA controller that came with the wrong eSATA cable, no biggie as it's USB connected now, it's just a general work area drive

    Internal hard drives -

    1/ Boot disc and general work area
    2/ MP3 drive - all my music lives on here
    3/ Music video drive (not concerts, just many years of music videos)
    4/ AVI dumping ground
    5/ DVD's converted and burnt, stuff eventually gets deleted off this one to make room for more

    I swear by these for my 4 500GB (WD5000AAKB) USB drives -
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    1/ exact copy of the internal MP3 drive (no way do i want to spend months re-ripping from 20yrs of music cd's!)
    2/ exact copy of music vid drive (overkill really but they've taken donkey's years to accumulate)
    3/ Concert DVD's
    4/ overflow area for DVD's burnt

    edit- another drive added, a WD 250GB in a cheap USB2.0 enclosure for a general work area.

    and i swear by these for various optical drives -
    [​IMG]
    1/ LG DVD-Rom drive
    2/ Benq DW1650
    a couple more of those enclosures are on another pc

    3 internal opticals -
    1/ Benq DW1650 on the IDE channel
    2/ LG L66BAL or whatever it's called (SATA)
    3/ same as above

    I've spent too many years using crappy old & storage-starved machines so when the Quad Core came it had to be the business.
    Plus a few old xboxes running XBMC (Xbox Media Centre) where i generally access the various music & film drives as everything's nicely networked now. The main xbox has a 500GB (you guessed it, WK5000AAKB) just for all my games, it's virtually full now. The other xboxes have their stock hard drives in as they just play dvd games or dvd films or watch movies across the network.

    Here's the latest pic -

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. sammorris

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    Greensman: Sickening though this is, I actually own 3.5TB of drives, I still need to RMA three of them! lol
     
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    Creaky
    Impressive setup. My humble dual core with 600GB storage pales in comparison. ;)
     
  13. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Cheers; in the time Loco's taking to build his machine i've also bought a couple Dell Core Duo's, one's still new in the box, the other is a quad-boot surfing only machine/music/movie watching - XP and 3 linuxes that are all quite similar - Mandriva 2008.0, PCLinuxOS and TinyMe.
    Used DVD Rebuilder on there the other night for a laugh, it's not a patch on the Quad Core
     
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    Heh, are you surprised?
     
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    Creaks thanks for the reply. ;) Can you give the model # to those enclosures? If I missed it I'm sorry but I was AWE struck at your shear number of HDD's. lol.

    link to Galaxy enclosure I'm using...

    ....gm
     
  16. LOCOENG

    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    Not all of us are capable of $hitting gold bricks to pay for all those machines :)

    Besides that Mickey Mouse got in my way...
     
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  17. creaky

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    @gm - The 3.5" optical enclosures (obviously can be used for HDD's too) are Belkin, ilike these - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-Hi-Speed-External-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B0001GYNJ2 though i only buy them from eBay where they're always half that price

    The HDD enclosures i use are badged as 'Allcam' though like most things they can have various names (Navigator is one, as per this link) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/External-Black-hi-Speed-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B000JK769E
    They also do those in SATA, i didn't know that when i was looking for an enclosure for my 6th SATA drive so i bought a USB/eSATA combo enclosure like this - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-5-Portable-...ryZ86758QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    For notebook drives i have a few of these (they are more flexible, bigger capacity than USB sticks) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quality-Ext...2LXHTRCF7AENL&s=generic&qid=1204888229&sr=1-7

    LOL @Loco and the gold bricks, you can't plead poverty, you were dropping those at Disneyworld i imagine. Busted :p

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  18. greensman

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    Thanks creaky. ;)

    Busted is right!!!! He's got money... but like most of us he's a cheap BA$TARD!!! hehehe. j/k LOCO...... ;) Just look at creaks going to "eBay" for 1/2 price.....

    I'd comment on my latest system but I'd just piss people off soooooo I think that LOCO's frugal purchasing is smart. :D Although that case is a POS..... hehehe. :p

    .....gm
     
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    /me looks at the small price difference between that 750GB compared to all my new 500GB drives, and just cries :p

    [​IMG]
     
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