dvdshrink compression issue

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  1. ferguj1

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    What exactly do you mean "burn another"? Are you simply wanting multiple disks of the same video? Once you have run the initial rip through DVDRebuilder it is done, if you want more copies just open the file in ImgBurn and burn straight away. Otherwise the program is telling you that your video will fit on your disk without the use of rebuilder, whereas you can go straight to burning.
     
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    no i'm trying to burn a different dvd now. the first one didn't prompt up that box about the compression though. maybe because i ripped in dvd9 and this time in dvd5? i just want to make sure what it is exactly and make sure i run it uncompressed before continuing on. it just doesn't seem to give me the option.
     
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    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    How big is the file you are working with now?
     
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  4. emeralds

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    4.15GB
     
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    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    burn it outright with Imgburn, you don't need DVD Shrink or DVD Rebuilder.
     
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    so after ripping the dvd with dvdfab, bypassing dvd-rb and going straight to imgburn when under a certain size still produces the same quality burned dvd? if that's correct, what's the size cutoff?
     
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    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    DVD Shrink/DVD Rebuilder are only used if compression is needed. Your video will fit onto a single SL disc so using either program would be an extra step that isn't needed. You are essentially making a 1:1 copy if you take the menus/special features out of the equation. Quality will not be sacrificed at all.
     
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  8. emeralds

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    isn't dvdfab compressing the dvd though when dvd5 is used? for example on this particular one when i used it it said quality: 59%
     
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    also i've used the "remove pgc" option on both dvds i've ripped in dvdfab and the fbi warnings are still there on both. is this supposed to work?
     
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    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    It sounds like you are using the full version of DVDFab and not simply the DVDFab HD Decrypter (free ripper) portion of the program. At any rate, if your file is only 4.15 Gb then you won't need any further compensation to get the movie on to a disc.

    A PGC is a program chain and doesn't have anything to do with the FBI warnings....main movie, trailers etc. are PGC's. Selecting to "remove PGC's" will removed the trailers if they fit the specs.

    http://www.dvdfab.com/docs/index.php/Main/DVDToDVDCustomize

    I would manually remove them with VobBlanker.
     
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    yes it's "dvdfab platinum"

    the file size is 4.19, but that was only after ripping it as dvd5 which says it puts it at quality of 59%. ripping it at dvd9 says it's at 100% quality but puts it at over 7 gigs. creaky said earlier in the thread dvd9 is only for dual layer discs and never uses it because dvd5 in dvd-rb produces amazing quality but if i'm bypassing dvd-rb i wonder if i'm getting the same result now. sorry if i'm overcomplicating things.

    and for the tab to remove pgc it says "like FBI warnings" in parenthesis.
     
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    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    No, you'll be getting lesser quality using a transcoder vs an encoder.

    What is happening is you are selecting DVD-5 and the compression is happening while you are ripping. DVDFab Platinum is considered a one-click application. You'll get better results if you just rip with DVDFab and then encode with DVDRB, especially if DVDFab is telling you the quality is at 59%.
     
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    that pretty much brings me back to where i started earlier then:

    one more: i'm attempting to burn another dvd and i'm getting this after hitting backup on dvdrb:

    advisory: the input directory is already small enough to fit on a dvd-5. no compression is necessary. continue anyway?

    what do i to make it back up with no compression then?
     
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  14. LOCOENG

    LOCOENG Moderator Staff Member

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    You are ripping with DVDFab Platinum which encodes as it rips, you need to rip with DVDFab HD Decrypter and then plug that VIDEO_TS folder into DVDRB. These are two different DVDFab programs.
     
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  15. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Indeed.
    As DVD Rebuilder is the one that can do the best encoding, whereas DVDFab Platinum and DVD Shrink can both transcode, you can do it one of these ways -

    1/ Use DVDFab HD Decrypter (the free one) - to rip either movie mode or full disc mode (the free version can only do DVD-9). Then use DVD Rebuilder to encode or DVD Shrink to transcode, followed by burning as the resultant files will be DVD-5 ie Single Layer size.. (unless of course movie mode just happened to output files that are Single Layer sized already ie no compression.

    or

    2/ rip with DVDFab Platinum (the paid one) - to rip in main movie mode or full disc mode at DVD-5hence Platinum will be transcoding ie outputting files that should be Single Layer sized so burn with whichever program you want.

    or

    3/ rip with DVDFab Platinum (the paid one) - to rip in main movie mode or full disc mode at DVD-9 ie no compression hence Platinum will just be ripping ie outputting files that will probably be bigger than Single Layer sized so you'd then use Rebuilder to encode or Platinum (or Shrink) to transcode then burn with whichever program you want.

    Of course there are other ways but they involve other programs that haven't yet been mentioned, however the above programs are all i ever use, the only other one that i use once in a while in conjunction with those, is vobblanker. Basically DVDFab doesn't always produce clean enough rips (and in these instances you won't be able to distinguish a perfectly good rip from a not-quite-clean enough rip). But you'll come to use Rebuilder for instance, and it'll fail in Phase 3 Rebuild ie near the end of the Rebuilder process. If it fails, i use vobblanker, which looks to be (and in fact, is) a very complex program. However i only use vobblanker in it's simplest form. Point vobblanker towards the directory output by DVDFab, select an output directory and hit 'Process'. It won't take very long and the files output by vobblanker will then go thru Rebuilder without problem.

    As your machine is taking nearly 4 hours under Rebuilder, i strongly suggest using vobblanker if you know you're definitely going to be using Rebuilder, as it's damn annoying for Rebuilder to spend hours then fail before the end. One other guy and myself reported such an issue (not totally clean rips) to the DVDFab folks some months back, in my case it was Pirates of the Caribbean World's End. It took a while but eventually DVDFab was fixed to produce cleaner rips. So for that movie DVDFab would work correctly. (for that movie even vobblanker wasn't helping, which was a sign that DVDFab wasn't ripping 100% correctly). Around the time of the World's End issue, i started using vobblanker for every single movie or episodic that wass going to be put thru Rebuilder, but eventually i stopped using vobblanker as it appeared that DVDFab was working fine. Rebuilder still chokes on the odd movie though, but as my machine is so quick with Rebuilder it's no real loss of time to use vobblanker and run Rebuilder again. But as i say, for your machine to be taking 4 hours in Rebuilder, you'd be wise to use vobblanker each time, just in case :)
    (i still have to use vobblanker now and then as sometimes Rebuilder fails with the odd error, can't think of an exact error but so far, touch wood, vobblanker always saves the day).

    I'll add a few links to the World's End issue in case it crops up again or anyone else reading this wants some extra info -
    http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/dvdfa...other-programs-232255/index2.html#post1938851
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/589662#3566757
    http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/source-corrupt-using-dvd-rebuilder-232568/#post1939613
     
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    well despite using dvdshrink this whole time before this thread, i do want the best results, and i always want the full disc, so for best results, #3 is the answer right?

    i just did a dvdshrink to dvdfab ripped on dvd5 comparison

    dvdfab quality: 59% / dvdshrink: 59.5%, but ripping them both just a little over 4G that could go straight to imgburn. trading in quality for speed. so pretty identical it seems.

    ripping in dvd9 > encoding with dvd-rb: quite a bit longer but worth the better quality is what i'm to understand so that's the way i'm gonna go. rb didn't quite take 4 hours, but 200 minutes. it was also the biggest disc i'd ever ripped and i was also on the computer running a couple different programs at the time so i don't expect the process to be so grueling in the future.
     
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    yep, if you want quality then Rebuilder is the best choice (by far) out of the above.

    i have only used Platinum (for compressing) once or twice, and only for light compression, but i figured that it's output wouldn't be overly different from Shrink.

    Oops my maths is crap, obviously that's just over 3 hours :)
    I often have Rebuilder running alongside ConvertXtoDVD and DVD Flick (just because i can!) so obviously the runtimes will be longer when multitasking, but what's interesting to note is that the output/quality produced from these 3 programs running together isn't affected, and DVD Shrink can also run happily alongside other programs.
     
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    running though the guide again i also realize under hc encoder options i was running "best" as opposed to the default "normal", anyone see that much of a difference between the two?

    also i ran it under "one click mode", if i'm not planning to change any options between the "3 clicks" otherwise, does one click mode fault the quality at all? also is there any highly recommended things i change inbetween running the regular mode?
     
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    I'm not at home so can't check/remember what my HC settings are (probably at default knowing me) but i do know i have one click mode set..
     
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