Australia to block all P2P?

I guess Australians won't be getting any Linux distributions for Christmas :(

I refuse to use the word "blogosphere" ever. Oh crap! OK, unless I'm quoting it! ;-)

Originally posted by ivymike:

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I guess Australians won't be getting any Linux distributions for Christmas :(

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Wow...interesting article. Total control is scary.

Stephen Conroy,you are a *.

But what about the abduancy of legal P2P? Some online games don't rely on dedicated servers but on P2P. So gamers in Australia will be prohibited from playing these games? As usual, politicians don't look further than their noses.

I hope he listens to the comments on that blog of his. There are so many things wrong with his idea on so many levels. More money needs to be devoted to social programs and the police force to crack down on stuff like child pr0n. Not on limiting what people can see. If it's on the internet, then the act has already been committed. Spend more money on preventing the act in the first place.

Originally posted by rrrev:

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Stephen Conroy,you are a wanker.

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Today censorship/blocking like the Chinese government.
Tomorrow Communism like the Chinese government? Go Labour!

How ridiculous - Whatever happened to 'rights'.

Well i bet vpn providers will be getting few deals from australia when this shit lauches.

It is totaly useless to try to block any content at internet someway or another ppl will get what they want unless you shutdown "internet" on your good nation. Granted not everyone has know how to use vpn, but there will be more providers like strong vpn (dont know if it is good never tried) who gives you step to step guide with pictures so you can´t do it wrong.

Welcome to teh future, HEIL!!

Every one should retaliate by not buying their products and bankrupt the dirty bastards.

Originally posted by hammy1111:

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Every one should retaliate by not buying their products and bankrupt the dirty bastards.

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Never gave much thought to the "mark of the beast" crowd. Didnt even know what it was until I wiki'ed it and..now I aint laughing at the Christians anymore. :(

Scary times.

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Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy added...

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As if the internet in Australia isnt bad enough slow uploads,overpriced, many Aussies unable to access highspeed connections due to pairgain and rims, a hardware inferstructure that Noah bought with him on the ark and now this Moron wanting to decide what is "safe" for us to view and download online

Nice country Australia - not enough Politicians swinging on the lampposts though.

This is why i really hate living in this country sometimes.

why o why did i vote 4 Labour... i kinda want jonh howared... :(

And when companies start sueing the ISP for disrupting their legit traffic? Then individuals sue for disrupting their legit transfers? Better put my coat on. I feel a storm brewing!!!

Bunch of commie bastards we should be demonstrating in streets over this what a infringement on free speech next we wont be able to demonstrate at all.

If it gets any worse ill quit the army and start saying for liberty along with throwing Molotov cocktails at government buildings along with everyone else.

Australia reaffirming its position as the broadband backwater of the world.

Overpriced, slow, controlled by the monopoly known as Telstra... And now this horsesh!t from our elected idiots.

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The Government takes the issue of cyber-safety extremely seriously and welcomes public debate about how we can achieve our goal of protecting children from harmful internet content. We wouldn't have set up this site (or published negative comments on it) if we were trying to close down discussion.

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Welcome to teh future, HEIL!!

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is the "Manchurian Candidate".

BIG BOTHER is WATCHING!!, well apparently. He looks asleep on the job if you ask me.

so will this also block other P2P app like Winny, Share, PerfectDark?

btw its not just australy that have overpriced internet. in my country, 1Mbps download (in reality about 50KB/s), 128Kbps upload (in reality about 8KB/s), unlimited plan. is about 85USD.

It will be a sad day if we get strong p2p laws that are not nessasarry.

Originally posted by rrrev:

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Stephen Conroy,you are a wanker.

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Is it too late to ask santa for a gun?

I live in country South Australia. I have an OPTUS mobile. According to the Govt. I should have Broadband and a good signal for the mobile. I don`t. And I`m only 90kms from Adelaide. And these tossers in Govt. expect us to believe them when they say our civil liberties and privacy will be protected with this latest piece of Government masturbation? . So sad. The inmates in the monkey cage at Adelaide Zoo may listen to our political leaders but how can any sane hard working Aussie? There is a good reason why I haven`t voted since I was 19 yo. (I`m 50 now) If you ACTUALLY believe that any of these wankers in power will really do any good for the normal bloke then I wish I had some of what you are on. To coin a phrase from Trainspotting..........we were colonized by wankers.

these guys haven't got a hope in hell of blocking/filtering P2P successfully anywhere. every ISP in this country has approx 90% of P2P as their cash cow. they would all go broke in 3 months flat!
it's just Big Bro waving the Big Stick one more time.
their just blowin' in the wind lol.
regards
jay4

You see? This is what we get when the public vote in a new government who have been out of power for so many years, and the new Labor government has a weak kneed, inexperienced puppet for its leader who then goes and picks a bunch of no hoper fools such as this mindless idiot CONWAY, sorry, CONROY, who has no idea of what is going on around him, let alone in cyberspace. The Labor government said in its election promises that it was going to clamp down on illegal downloads using P2P networking. As far as i can remember, I don't ever recall them telling us that they were going to run this country like a bunch of bloody communists or nazis. In fact I would go so far as to say Conroy is your classic Internet Nazi, and an idiot to boot. As others have said, why not concentrate all this money and resources on things like child pornography instead of having an unwavering need to totally control our lives. At least I have a clear conscience in that I didn't vote for this pack of dickheads at the election, the reason being that, unlike what seems to be the majority of my fellow countrymen, I remember the total uselessness and damage Labor did to this country last time they were in power, 17% interest rates on home loans for example. They have no idea now, as in the past, on how to manage money, people, money, the internet, money, anything. Get a life Conway and do something useful instead of trying to control our every thought and action you twit.

Originally posted by rrrev:

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Stephen Conroy,you are a wanker.

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Originally posted by jay4:

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these guys haven't got a hope in hell of blocking/filtering P2P successfully anywhere. every ISP in this country has approx 90% of P2P as their cash cow. they would all go broke in 3 months flat!
it's just Big Bro waving the Big Stick one more time.
their just blowin' in the wind lol.
regards
jay4

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Welcome to teh future, HEIL!!

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Velcome to ze land of Oz ya, Heil Conway, sorry, Conroy. Ze minister finally haz ze final solution. I am vaitink for ze firink sqvad und gasingz to stat on ze P2P uzerz.

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Without P2P we don't require 12gb+ a month accounts so the ISP's loose out and I suppose the government lose out too. Do you think they realize that?? They just can't do it. But i am sure we will find a way to bypass it ;)

Originally posted by fanman480:

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You see? At least I have a clear conscience in that I didn't vote for this pack of dickheads at the election, the reason being that, unlike what seems to be the majority of my fellow countrymen, I remember the total uselessness and damage Labor did to this country last time they were in power, 17% interest rates on home loans for example. They have no idea now, as in the past, on how to manage money, people, money,

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my ISP is totally against it.. iinews/internet-filtering ...on ya iiNet!! I hope everyone is writing to their member of parliment.

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17996
The UK is moving forward on net censorship plans


Net censorship is pointless, altho if high net was cheap and the default censored mode can be turned off its not such a bad thought...but....... a force censored net is bad....

Seems like the whole world is going to get "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, BUT DON'T WANT" LMAO

If it happens, I for one will no longer need the internet Mr Conray, Conway, Conroy, oh! who gives a shit. Presently I can say this, but for how long will I have my free thoughts and speech, Comrade?

Jay4 what have you been smoking? Haven't you read the news? This has already happened in Japan, New Zeland and France. It will get easier everytime a new country falls under RIAA control. They will be able to do anything they what to do to you. Even if you eliminate the scum that did this to you you will never get rid of those laws.

The plan seems very well thought out. I would start blasting your elected officials. Demand to know how much the RIAA paid them to propose such a law. It is surely not in the public interest. Now you know the labor party is anti public. Next they will be raising taxes and who knows what else? The RIAA has stopped litagation because that did not work. This is how they are spending their money killing P2P a country at a time.

Originally posted by Mez:

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It will get easier everytime a new country falls under RIAA control. They will be able to do anything they what to do to you.

The plan seems very well thought out. I would start blasting your elected officials. Demand to know how much the RIAA paid them to propose such a law. It is surely not in the public interest. Now you know the labor party is anti public.

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Yes, they are a CoS. Yes, they are morons. Still, they have enough money to make their own laws. Once the laws change you will not be fighting those mindless hacks you will be up against pros. I know of 2 experiments that took place one in the US and one in England. 1 eliminated torrents the other eliminated P2P. Both experiments lasted for about a month. No AD member breached either experiment that I know of.

A guy in Japan posted something on an invisable net and had police at his door in less than 24 hrs.

ISPs are concerned with cash flow. That is probably why the experiments only lasted a month. The ISPs were experimenting to know what they could do if they wanted to. The ISPs will comply with the letter of the law. However, I suspect they will turn a blid eye twords other technologies as long as they do not clog their system.

Originally posted by Mez:

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Yes, they are a CoS. Yes, they are morons. Still, they have enough money to make their own laws. Once the laws change you will not be fighting those mindless hacks you will be up against pros. I know of 2 experiments that took place one in the US and one in England. 1 eliminated torrents the other eliminated P2P. Both experiments lasted for about a month. No AD member breached either experiment that I know of.

A guy in Japan posted something on an invisable net and had police at his door in less than 24 hrs.

ISPs are concerned with cash flow. That is probably why the experiments only lasted a month. The ISPs were experimenting to know what they could do if they wanted to. The ISPs will comply with the letter of the law. However, I suspect they will turn a blid eye twords other technologies as long as they do not clog their system.

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hello Mez!
i understand where your coming from.
at this moment i'm file sharing with a New Zealand guy.
Labor won't have the guts to do anything but blow in the wind.
RIAA are and always will be a joke down here.
however, if they do something that interferes anyway with my filesharing lol, i'll be the first guy to apologise to you and any other member i've taken a swing at.
regards
jay4

They cant completely block p2p. I use www.cyberdodge.co.nz to encrypt my internet traffic and hide my IP address. ISPs cant block p2p traffic if its fully encrypted with a VPN tunnel. They also cant throttle it.

jay4 it is not guts. The RIAA has paid them enough not to care about you. How much have you given your elected officials?

Andrew who is they? I know my ISP can do what ever it wants to do. They could find you if they would want to but why would they? P2P is not the great threat it was 5 yrs back when the ISPs were really cracking down. Now they capabilities they developed are now a big pain for them. They are now forced to monitor and drop you as a client if you do too much and they do not get paid for any of this. The loss of a client often means the loss of 100 USDs per month because the client uses other services. They see the RIAA as a greedy parasite and do not want to help them.

Originally posted by Mez:

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jay4 it is not guts. The RIAA has paid them enough not to care about you. How much have you given your elected officials?

Andrew who is they? I know my ISP can do what ever it wants to do. They could find you if they would want to but why would they? P2P is not the great threat it was 5 yrs back when the ISPs were really cracking down. Now they capabilities they developed are now a big pain for them. They are now forced to monitor and drop you as a client if you do too much and they do not get paid for any of this. The loss of a client often means the loss of 100 USDs per month because the client uses other services. They see the RIAA as a greedy parasite and do not want to help them.

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That is the point the media hit P2P with a multi-prong attack and they did real well. I don't do it any more but then I did make sun while the sun shined. There is so little new great music I do not mind shelling out the money.

I also forgot about this thread till Jay.

The deal is with the paid sites and the down load caps persons are probably only downloading 10% of what they did during the hay day. At that rate only the media cares.

i live in australia and if the government blocks all p2p we will see isp's going broke within months and losing thousands (if not millions) of customers.

dont think boycotting australian products is the answer as it is we already have too many cheap poorly made products coming in from asian countries.dont bankrupt australia centrelink is my only source of income.

as for slow internet speeds the government was gonna build a national broadband network but i guess that will be a waste of time if they start censoring the internet.