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making dvd-a with discwelder bronze
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majik255
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8. March 2005 @ 18:49 |
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hi! i`m a newbie and i am trying to make a dvd-a that will play in my dvd player using DW Bronze.
i set up my tracks inside bronze and burned it to dvd-r. when i tried to play it on my dvd player it only played through the analog outs. how do i encode the tracks so that the audio will play through the digital connection so i czn here it in surround?
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jjolson
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29. March 2005 @ 00:03 |
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Apart from very few players (high-end Meridian, Denon and a few others) no DVD-Audio players is allowed to send out DVD-Audio digitally (copyright reasons). Normal DVD-Audio capable players has to use 5.1 analog (6 RCA) out and the reciever has to have corresponding inputs.
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Phyco_Can
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3. June 2005 @ 11:53 |
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operating system:windows xp home edition
ram:1 gig of corsair,512mb of samsung
graphics card: 7800 nvidia geoforce
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16. January 2006 @ 06:19 |
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What is the make & model of your DVD player?
Does it have the 6 RCA Analogue outputs?
For you to get the digital out, you must have a player that is HDMI enabled, and an amplifier that corresponds to this.
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jjolson
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16. January 2006 @ 08:01 |
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Not true. Denon uses DenonLink, Meridian uses MHR, I guess Pioneer has gotten a license now for using their Firewire solution. I don't know of anyone sending digital DVD-Audio data - except maybe downsampled to (probably) 24/48 - over HDMI. Is that even implemented in HDMI before HDMI 1.3?
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16. January 2006 @ 09:14 |
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Denon use HDMI.
Quote: HDMI-output (HDCP)
HDMI (high definition multimedia interface), a new connector that bases itself on the DVI-HDCP model. HDMI supports uncompressed high definition video plus multi-channel audio in a single cable using a smaller connector that eliminates the need for multiple cables in home entertainment systems, simplifying installation and eliminating cross technology confusion. It transmits uncompressed digital video so that the picture maintains a high quality of color depth, brightness and contrast. It also supports Consumer Electronics Control (CEC) based on the AV.link protocol so it can be controlled with a universal remote that is used with multiple HDMI sources such as Denon DVD players. HDMI supports bi-directional coommunciation between devices, allowing DVD players to communicate with Plasma's, LCD screens and Projectors, as long as they are HDCP compatible.
The HDMI connection supports every uncompressed standard, enhanced and high definition video format ranging from 480I to 480P, 720p, 1080I and 1080P as well as existing PAL formats. It also has the bandwidth to support compressed audio formats such as Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, DTS EX and uncompressed formats (PCM audio) up to eight channels, up to 192kHz, up to 24-bits.
High Definition Multimedia Interface(HDMI) and High Definition Content Protection (HDCP) is a copyright protection system installed on most Plasmas, LCD's and projectors consisting of a HDMI or DVI input. All Denon DVD players require HDCP compliant displays to be fully compatible. It prohibits the copying of copyrighted material, like onto a VCR or DVD-recorder.
Straight off the Denon website.
I have no doubts at all that as per usual, manufacturers are attempting to screw things up by all using proprietary formats.
HDMI is the standard to use though.
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jjolson
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16. January 2006 @ 10:49 |
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Note the...
Quote: It also has the bandwidth to support compressed audio formats such as Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, DTS EX and uncompressed formats (PCM audio) up to eight channels, up to 192kHz, up to 24-bits.
...it sure has the bandwidth, but technically hasn't been usable for DVD-Audio/SACD. But for stereo/multi-channel DD/DTS.
The problems for manufacturers has this time not been that they have wanted to screw things up, the problems have been that HDMI has been screwed up. HDMI 1.0 could hardly be used for anything, 1.1 is the now widely used version which is adequate for must things - but encrypted high-resolution audio. The 1.2 version ought to be ready, though I don't know if it's implemented in players/recievers yet, that's probably needed for Hires audio to work. So some player/reciever combinations may now be able to use HDMI for DVD-Audio/SACD, I don't know. 1.3 is needed for the new formats like Dolby True HD. Then HDMI will disappear... :) and be replaced with the (backwards-compatible) UDI.
But, DVD-Audio has been out for quite a while now, and several companies tired long ago on only having an analogue-out option while waiting for the HDMI standard first to set and then to work.
Meridian, having developed MLP AND BEING A "keep things digital" company of course wanted to stay out of analogue. The ydeveloped their MHR (3*S/P-DIF) which sends the data still encrypted over the link and got that endorsed by the DVD-Audio content makers/standard board. Denon followed with their DenonLink, getting it OK'd for DVD-Audio - but only recently (with version III) OK'd for SACD. Meridian, BTW, of course doesn't care at all about SACD.
We can continue with quotes from the Denon Site - the brand new "AVR-4806: THX® Ultra2 7.1 CH Reference A/V Surround Receiver":
Quote: Digital Input – DENON Link 3rd (SACD Ready)
DVI/HDMI Video Inputs – Compatible with 1.1 Spec. – Multi-Channel Audio 1 DVI 3HDMI
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/237.asp
Quote: Our dedication to defining technological perfection has led to the incorporation of some of the most critically-acclaimed features for the AVR-5805 – including DDSC-Digital surround processing to provide ultra-precise surround decoding and sound optimization, DENON LINK 3rd Edition input to digitally send DVD-Audio signals through the receiver for musical reproduction of incredible presence and purity, and Auto Setup and Room EQ Adjust to eliminate the hassles of speaker configuration.
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/226.asp
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16. January 2006 @ 11:04 |
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HDMI will still feed the DVD-A sections and output.
The Denon system is like this, but with bells on.
And SACD has nothing at all to do with the original question.
The poster wanted to know how to get Digital DVD-A.
And if his player & amp hasn't got the HDMI, or proprietary version thereof, he can't.
There is no way to output DVD-A through the TOSlink or SP-DIF connectors on a standard player.
They cannot handle 5.1 channels at 24/96, either. Not enough bandwidth in the system.
TOSlink is from the Alesis ADAT, which is up to 8 channels at a maximum of 24/48 resolution.
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jjolson
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16. January 2006 @ 11:18 |
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Well, that was what I wrote in my answer as of March 29th... :)
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jjolson
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17. January 2006 @ 02:36 |
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Checked up on HDMI a bit, and already version 1.1 should be able to handle the encrypted hires audio, though it's very uncommon that manufacturers use it for DVD-Audio/SACD. Perhaps they are ignoring the small DVD-A/SACD market and ar waiting for HDMI 1.3/BR/HD-DVD.
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17. January 2006 @ 06:39 |
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Who knows what goes on in the "minds" of the hardware manufacturers?
Not me, thats for certain.
You would have thought that they would get behind a format & promote it to the max, but they all seem to want to own everything outright in Sony towers!
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