C4E has already checked the hex for the leaked versions of NXE and said so far they haven't implemented anything to detect a modified xbox, so I am assuming he will do the same for the real version of NXE, so hopefully it wont take too long to find out.

Originally posted by C4RN1:

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Well adam you have a bit more learning yet. The sentence you didn't quote is the one you should be reading...and pretty much the same thing you just said to me.

Really you can not make a perfect copy of a game. And no everything i've stated i've read in numerous other forums or even here on afterdawn.

We're getting closer and closer to figuring out how this system works. A lot of people believe it's not just one flag but a few. So if you have one thing out of place that throws a flag. If you have 4 things out of place that will throw more flags. There could even be a factor that multiplys flags, we don't really know yet. If i were to write the code i would probably do it the same way. All they would have to do is add a string that checks the disc id. I'm sure there's something like that in place now, and when the update comes we'll see more people getting banned because they can implement that into the complete dash.

Cruise through this thread on xb-scene.

It's up to 7 pages now and the thread is just over a day old...

There's a lot of inconsistant data on there, people banned with just fw without playing those 2 games. People being banned due to playing on live with those games. People being banned from just having firmware modded. It doesn't make any sense. It's going to be a learning situation, if you don't want to be banned, be careful.

Just so you know i'm not trying to target you in any way adam, so don't think that. This post is just as much for the other members as it is for you.

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You are on track,there are many thoughts going around including the theory of the "poison pill" in the games as stated by you and many others but as i have asked on other forums on AD look at some people with unmodded consoles getting banned.they bought their console as new from a retailer,I asked the question of is it possible that M$ is selling off refurbished consoles as new,maybe the drive didn't need replacing it was something else that needed fixing,when my machine(s) went i got same drive back but with different mobos then on my 4th console i got back a new drive but luckily it was a benq.
now M$ have no way of testing a 360 for F/W modification because it contravenes the law that we and they are to follow if you get my drift...put it in laymens terms piracy is illegal so if M$ attempt to try a B/Up they are breaking a law that they help enforce and in my opinion the customer could jump up and down for breach of privacy and deny any knowledge of the F/W mod.Also i believe that if M$ can't tell if your machine has been tampered with in service how can they tell online,I understand about playing B/Ups when you have a modded system...owners use as you say at own risk,most of my friends don't play pre-release games I.E game off net before street release and yet they still get banned and i have heard of a couple of mates say they have been banned but their 360 hasn't been modded.what i also don't understand is why do M$ leave it for a whole year to ban modded consoles,they only do it what up to 2 weeks prior to their update....could this mean that M$ are doing this for monetary reasons ? as they don't ban modded consoles regularly through out the year,I have heard that they ban/suspend game cheaters.I've been told that if they can look on your HDD online that it could be a breach of privacy...but i'm not 100% sure how that would hold up,technically it is a breach of privacy..but it's hard to prove over the server unless you can demand a look see at their logs etc...Hmmm i dunno

Originally posted by EvilDeeds:

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I have theories on why the m$ banwave comes once or twice a year...

1. Live scene, m$ don't hate piracy - it helps with xbl sales if there are plenty of people playing the latest games off the bat.

2. Do the minimum, they still need to keep up appearances for the developers who are the real victims of piracy, if piracy was as rife for the 360 and m$ did nothing then they would take it all to the ps3. Developers are already stopping dev for pc platforms.

3. Security, not much risk without native code on the xbox, but I'm sure m$ would like to keep as many "rogue" consoles off live as possible, hence the annual nature of the culling.

4. Sales, every extra console sold at christmas helps m$ look dominant over all other consoles.

5. Support, I'm sure it takes quite a few techies to oversee the banning phase, ok, most of it will be automated - but it will still need people to make the final decisions.. it probably isn't cost effective for m$ to employ people just for banning... and an all-year-round automated system has the potential for so many false-positives that it would be a media nightmare.

Probably a load of bullocks, but then again, who really cares if I'm right or wrong anyway? :)

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Not to pick on you directly, but I am very tired of hearing about how M$ bans to increase console sales. THEY LOSE MONEY ON EVERY CONSOLE THEY SELL! That is a fact and the only way they make that money back is through getting their share of game sales (and accessories/Xbox Live to a small extent). The only one of the "big three" who makes money on a console sale is Nintendo with the Wii (I'm only commenting on consoles here, not handhelds). Other than that your theories aren't too off-base.

Please don't flame since i'm admitting this may be a total newb question that might be already known. Scenario: not playing on live, ethernet disconnected. I play Fallout 3-seed4me release. A week after the retail game is released, I play the retail copy of Fallout3 (still being offline)

Could this change anything as to info that can be relayed to M$? I played the seed4me release of Fallout3....and then played the retail one after and overwrote my s4me created saves with the retail version booted up? Does the seed4me data stay encoded within the game data somewhere on the drive, or could the retail one overwrite that making the bad game data non-existent? I still haven't connected to live for more than a month. (since f3 leak)
Thanks for any thoughts on this. Like I said, maybe it has been answered in a different way/post, but I haven't seen it asked in my exact circumstance. Does it matter at all if the account name I use to play offline is NOT the one I use when going on live to download updates?

Originally posted by Bonovox40:

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Please don't flame since i'm admitting this may be a total newb question that might be already known. Scenario: not playing on live, ethernet disconnected. I play Fallout 3-seed4me release. A week after the retail game is released, I play the retail copy of Fallout3 (still being offline)

Could this change anything as to info that can be relayed to M$? I played the seed4me release of Fallout3....and then played the retail one after and overwrote my s4me created saves with the retail version booted up? Does the seed4me data stay encoded within the game data somewhere on the drive, or could the retail one overwrite that making the bad game data non-existent? I still haven't connected to live for more than a month. (since f3 leak)
Thanks for any thoughts on this. Like I said, maybe it has been answered in a different way/post, but I haven't seen it asked in my exact circumstance. Does it matter at all if the account name I use to play offline is NOT the one I use when going on live to download updates?

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Good question. To be safe I would delete all of your Fallout data and then clear the cache on your hard drive before you even think of going online. Some people here may tell you you'll be OK, but I would certainly take the safe route if I were you. Also, you said your ethernet was disconnected at the beginning, have you plugged it back in at all since you played the leaked game? If so, you may already be screwed.