They can't even tell the truth for when Star Wars 3 became available on the net.I know I saw that movie available for download a week and a half before its release date. I didn't d/l it since I don't like watching video camera recorded movies. Anyway point is I know they lied about Star Wars 3 availability so how much truth could there really be in any article like this. No offense Dela I know you type what you see.

-Del

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Hi hursty!

Welcome to AfterDawn, my most fave of _all_ favourite places. =)

Today (July 1st) is "Canada Day". That means I get the day off (from work), which in turn means I get to suck-back all kinds of beer (burp!) and check out the A/D threads. (Yay!)

Member blessedon just struck a pleasant chord with me (King Crimson), and you know? (He's right).

But truly, I'm just a "pussycat" so-to-speak, despite my moniker (A_Klingon). Even Klingons have a soft side. (They just don't usually admit it).

The picture is from King Crimson's debut album, which blessedon quoted from. (I'm listening to it now on the headphones).

Hey, hursty..... what do you think of that "Dela" guy ??? (The guy who started this thread). He never tells us very much about himself. (I think he must be a bit 'chicken'). He too is "pussycat", although one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise, based on this latest 'ominous' news report. <gg> Does he have a girlfriend? Did she kiss him today, d'you suppose?

(It's so hard to get to know these elusive A/D personnel types). 'Specially dRD, the guy who "doesn't like titles". [I know _he_ gets gets a few kisses here and there 'cause he just had a brand-spanking-new little baby daughter.]

Peace, my friend. Blu-Ray is on it's way......

-- Mike, the ominous Klingon --

Some of these raids were in Canada including the provinces of: Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec...

Has anyone else seen the intro on some centropy cd's where they show footage from reports about one of the times they got busted, while 'Nobody does it better' plays in the background?

Class, absolute class.

Yes Doggy, and some of the entertainment people up here are crowing about how they will be able to sue us Canadians. I didn't know the US Supreme Court has authourity in another country. Don't mistake my meaning, I am not anti-American, but I don't recognize the authourity of the US Supreme Court in Canada. Not yet, anyway.

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Has anyone else seen the intro on some centropy cd's where they show footage from reports about one of the times they got busted, while 'Nobody does it better' plays in the background?

Class, absolute class.

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NOW THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE / HEAR !!!

excelant!

Darn, but that was good! A_Klingon you crack me up. You put me to a lot of work too! I had to dig through stacks of LP's to find my King Crimson because you gave me the first case fo LP envy I've had in years.
Since I'm off work too, it seemed only fitting that I'd join you in a near-perfect day of good music, cold Molson, backing up my new Bill Murray movie (The Life Aquatic), with DD of course, and perusing A/D forums to see if I can help those who can make use of my limited knowlege. THANKS![/B]

The walls upon which the prophets (LUK!) wrote, is cracking at the seams.

The truth of the matter is we can change things! If you truly believe the MPAA and RIAA have too much power then it's time to email as many people you know to stop going to movies and buying CDs.

I guarantee you that if we all band together and start an email campaingn to boycott movie going it will bring the MPAA to it's knees. They will have to give in to the buying publics wishes.

So what is it we want? Better movies? Cheaper prices? online downloads?

My point here is make your voice heard. Tell everyone you know to stay away from the theatre. Also write the Motion Picture Assocation of America and tell them you're fed up with their their raping the public. They need to know that we, the buying public won't put up with their crap anymore and we expect better from them!

I hope you join me in telling as many people as you know to boycott movie going untill we see chaanges and at the same time eamil the MPAA we are telling everyone we know that we intend to boycott untill they listen and act upon what we ask as movie buyers!

Drecords

dludden: Hyperthetically you are right...... but in the real world ....... you will not reach anywhere near the amount of people that you need to tell them to stay away from the movies by email! And even if you can HOW MANY OF THEM WILL LISTEN AND OBEY OR FEEL THE SAME AS YOU AND I WHO WANT CHANGE!? Even if you go on NATIONAL TV and WORLD WIDE COVERAGE most people will not do what you ask them to do! So, to me it's a lost cause. All the yelling, screaming, emailing, or any other type of communication broadcasted around the world......WON'T CHANGE THE BIG BROTHER ROUTINE! They will find a way to squash THE VOICE OF REASON to a whisper! They have all the power ..... we don't.

The bottom line is this...The MPAA is complaing for nothing. The bootleg copies out there of Star Wars, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and various others are no replacement of going to the movies or getting the dvd when it comes out. They are not perfect quality. No where near. They are not worth paying for and are of zero economic value. Maybe some street vendors in Asia sell them for like 2.00 us dollars but that is all they are worth. Besides, most people do not have the high speed connections needed to download theses movies in like 3 hours. The movie industry will never learn...they see a downturn in sales and say, " It must be those damn warez groups." Let go after them! Its not ...when you charge 9.75 a ticket, 4.00 for some candy at the theatre you basically freeze out the average american family from affording to go to the movies. Bottom line is this...people can get a dvd for 15.00-20.00 and have better picture quality and sit in there own home. Why go to the movies? I like the expierence of the movies.....but not as much when I have a nice HDTV at home and sorround sound. They are creating their competition. Bottom line, lower prices, or make the product better.

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They can't even tell the truth for when Star Wars 3 became available on the net.I know I saw that movie available for download a week and a half before its release date. I didn't d/l it since I don't like watching video camera recorded movies. Anyway point is I know they lied about Star Wars 3 availability so how much truth could there really be in any article like this. No offense Dela I know you type what you see.

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http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/June/05_crm_353.htm

And first scene release of star wars was just a day or two before original theatre date, so if they were operating a site (the feds i mean) they would not have seen star wars until then.

I originally hear about these raids on IRC when i got PMs from a friend about it, then was passed some information and some search warrant scans. I waited until i saw at least 1 big news source write something before I wrote what I knew - which was mercury news - yet i left in the extra details i had to a degree including name of couple of groups we knew were hit then and the nickname of a fed that operated one of the sites.


Oh and Kligy..... you crazy mofo are u at it again? ;-)

The feds are getting very deep into the piracy of software and media distribution and soon our federal courst and prisons will be packed with a bunch of 18 and 19 year old kids. Minors will have their lifes ruined because of this and the feds will make examples of everyone they can get their hands on. I would never download movies or copyright programs as they are getting very harsh in this day and age of high tech. There are taps on all internet hubs, Microsoft has built in features fir the feds (as part of the federal case they settled a while back) if you run windows they can track and trace you very easy now.

The best thing is if you like someting and want to use it buy it. If not don't buy it that will hurt the companies.

What companies in the Canadian Provinces were raided? How could this be? Canada's Supreme Court hasn't ruled, as yet, on the legality of downloading etc.

I don't think our prisons are going to be full of downloaders or 18-19 year old kids. They seem to be going after the top distributors of warez clans. Its like cutting the head of the chicken, they are trying to take the head out hoping the body will stop working. The problem is they can make a dent but the head will grow back. They are fighting a loosing battle.

Well, well....The entertainment industry is complaining that there is an 18 percent decline in movie attendance and this is reflected in their profits. This decline is going on even though they have stopped so many file trading sites. Could it be that the Hollywood Elite have pissed off a lot of the little people ?? Does this mean that the elite will have to get along without another Europian castle or another limosine in their garage ??? Will the Carl Reiner family be stuck with just 24 SUVs, they may have to decide between another SUV or a new Lambergini...

One would think that an industry that sues little old ladies and 12 year old children would have the brains to figure out what is going on.

Many of the people that I know won't go to any movie at all.

There are several points to the argument that these non-attendies give.....

1....The entertainment industry wants complete control over one's entertainment. This includes what, when, and how one gets entertainment. So much for entertainment freedom.

2....The entertainment industry has and uses political clout to not only control the public's private life but also to levie taxes on blank CDs, blank DVDs, blank video tapes, and on computers which is put into a pool to be divided between the entertainment studios because these items might be used to copy their product.

3....The entertainment industry has destroyed the concept of public domain. You can be sure that they will do everything in their power to crush anyone that they find making a copy of something like the The Petrified Forest (1936) or Idiot's Delight (1939) but when it comes to filming a re-make, you can be sure that they will argue that they do not have to pay anyone because the work is in public domain, at least for their purposes......

4....The entertainment industry say that they are trying to preserve jobs, yet when the entertainment indusry calls for a boycot of some manufacturing company or a service industry, they do not seem to care about any lost jobs then. Also, when the script girl, the sound man, the gopher and others begin to get residual payments for re-runs, then they may be listened to. All the monies, the extra taxes, 95 percent of the residuals go directly to the the studios and is paid to the studio heads. There have been many, many cases of where an actor is supposed to get residual payments instead of being paid just for the actors work. The studios then use " Creative Bookkeeping " to keep the money for themselves.

5....The greater majority of the entertainers, the Martin Sheens, the carl and Rob Reiners, the Barbara Streisands are more than willing to tell the public how to live their lives but no one dares to tell these actors, directors, producers, studio heads how to live their lives. No one tells the elite what to do...

6....The entertainment industry is devising ways to stop the recording of TV shows. This is one of the major reasons for changing to digital television. High resolution TV can be had with anologue TV. But, the logic is, if there is to be change, let's go digital because embedded data can be included to keep people from recording from the air waves. Even if a person manages to make a recording, the digital anti-copy data will keep a computer from making any copies. One person who works in the entertainment industry even suggested that embedding computer viruses or trojans into the digital video stream was possible and that he would look into the matter. This same man also belongs to a group that wants to include an income tax of the general population to be collected by the government and paid to the studios. He concludes that there is a tax on computers and video supplies already, and it would not be any different than the monies paid to farmers and various manufactering indudustries from income taxes.....

Let's see...This is the same Supreme Court that makes it legal for a movie studio by using eminent domain, to take away a group of private homes, pay either pennies on the dollar or nothing for the property so the studio can expand it's back lot, or put up bigger sound stages, or just make a bigger parking lot..in other words, the court would allow the studios to steal peoples homes for the studio's private use but allows the same studios to prosicute and sue the inventors of some technology that can possibly be used to share files...

This is sort of like a bank being able to repossess ones car because the bank can resell it somewhere else at a greater profit then suing the car's manufacturer because it was used in a hold-up of the same bank...

I have a question. No this is technically according to the letter of the law, I am I allowed to let you borrow my DVD?

Can I hand you a copy of my DVD and let you watch it, though you did not pay fo rit or rent it.

Do I have to be in the room with you to make it OK?

Hahahahahaha

But seriously, what will they blame next for low movie sales or attendance?

No, you may not loan any copyrighted material unless you have are a public library. See title 17 below.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html

Not books, LP's, CD-ROM's, most recipies, and you can no longer sing Happy Birthday in public.

© Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday Dear Afterdawn
Happy Birthday to you.

screw all this, I'm outa here. Unscubscribed.

I love this country and what it stands for( quote from above).... what exactly is that? (crush kill destroy?)...(we are the mighty all thou bow before us...the mighty)...USA focking sux arse it is forcing all the world to have the same laws as ther great U.S ..if it was not for your ...so called lucky country...all this copyright blulls#it would go unchecked and unnoticed!!!!your county is a bully and i h@te all of your kind...

I don't think you are right about that. Even if the United Stated did not exist, I think there still would be a copyright contrevery. Its that we are in an information age, and information is easy to get. Weather you copy dvd's, cd's, or just get them off the internet, the problem is that it is easy to do. Technology just got better and the mediums of selling information like a cd are easy to copy. Basically, these companies did not bother to come out with better technologies that are harder to copy. Take the cd, that came out in the early 1980's! Its out dated...that is all there is too it

v3loc1ty--

Your comments make zero sense. Your gratuitous insults toward the FBI are puerile and ridiculous. FBI agents put their a*ses on the line everyday to protect us.

Are there higher priorities than music/movie/software piracy? Of course. Just as a murder is a higher priority for your local yokels than some guy selling 20 rocks out of his back window. And if there were fewer profession pirates like this Patel, more resources could be devoted to the fight against graver threats such as Islamofascism, pedophiles, child porn and illegal alien smuggling.

We're not talking about a guy who made a single copy of a movie and gave it to his friend. This isn't about letting your friend install a copy of Office 2003 on your PC. We're talking about serious, professional pirates--profiting from theft.

And, yes, there is danger invovled. Theaters have had prints of Episode III stolen at gunpoint. Just as with Return of the Jedi: in my own hometown, the very theater where I first saw Jedi was robbed at gunpoint by professional highjackers, they were in and out in less than three minutes and no one was hurt. This bespeaks serious criminal organization.

Mr. Patel is NOT helping those of fighting rights-destruction technology (i.e. "copy protection"), he's HELPING the greedy b*stards in Hollywood and Music Studio Land! He's giving them ammunition to back up their pretended "right" to violate our REAL rights to back up our music CDs and DVD-Videos (under both the Betamax Decision of 1984, the "Fair Use" provisions of Federal law and the American Home Recording Act).

Doubtless, Patel was running ads on his warez site(s) (and studies I've done for my Masters in Criminal Law have shown that the vast majority of warez sites run ads of some kind) and thereby profiting and thereby becoming a professional pirate.

I imagine if you owned the copyright to catalog of popular music you'd created you'd wanted to get paid, right? Well, shocking as it is, Metallica, Madonna, the Stones, Rush all would like to get paid for what they've done. Imagine if your bosses decided next Friday that you didn't really need your paycheck, that it would be better for him to take your pay and take his girlfriend to McDonalds. (That you're probably not make more than minimum wage is pretty clear.) Mr. Patel was doing the same thing.

You SHOULD direct your real anger at the SS-RIAA and the KGBPAA who are trying to make sure we can't protect our investment in DVD and CD libraries. And, to reiterate, people like Mr. Patel are only helping Hollywood greed, giving weight to their argumetns for breaking Federal law.

WAKE UP! The problem is NOT the FBI enforcing the law. It's people like Patel violating it. This country is the largest and/or most successful producer of movies (though India makes more movies than we do, their combined box office take is less than one blockbuster stateside), music and software. That would rapidly cease to be if copyrights weren't protected by law.

I imagine you'd be put out if someone stole the car for which your Daddy's making the payments, right? Well, image how he'd feel if some stole the equivalent of hundreds of cars from him? Pretty pissed, I should think.

Try putting yourself in the victim's shoes, just in your imagination, just for a second, and perhaps you'll get a clue.

duke8888--

There aren't legions of "kids...hafing (sic) their lives ruined..."! That's just stupid.

If there are, pls source this claim. Give us URLs to newspaper stories, even legitimate advocacy gropus, (the ACLU, the EFF--do you even know who these groups are?) to back up this claim. Silence? That's right. Because you have NO proof.

Is the RIAA out of control? Absolutely! Is Hollywood's greed, as exercised through its enforcer the KGBPAA, disgusting? Are both violating Federal laws? Of course. We have rights enshrined in Federal law. For every blank CD-R, mini-disc, dat or cassette tape, the American Home Recording Act adds a tax of a few pennies. This money is then paid out to record companies as compensation for consumers' being able to make private copies of music they've purchased.

You want to be angry about something? Be angry about the fact the same people who are receiving the tax dollars WE pay when we buy that 50 pack of CD-Rs at Wal-Mart are also deliberately damaging CDs to stop us from making LEGAL private copies! Now THAT is an outrage!

The "Fair Use" provisions of Federal law give consumers the explicit right to make personal, backup copies of DVDs and VHS tapes. This right is violated by CSS and Macrovision's rights destruction technology. THAT's something that should get you angry.

And, here's a fact, since you seem to have trouble recognizing them: NO ONE has gone to jail for file-swapping or burning a copy of Eminem's latest CD and giving it to his cousin. Yes, kids (including, infamously, the twelve year old girl that appeared in the Pepsi Superbowl commercial) have been sued by the SS-RIAA. Yes, that's absurd. But there's a big difference from paying $1200 is settlement of a civil lawsuit and being thrown into a cell.

Instead of jumping out ahead of the curve and creating download services BEFORE the creation of P2P software, the record industry sat on its butt and did nothing. Now they claim they have a "problem." Of course, they don't! iTunes and other download services prove that the vast majority of consumer will pay for music downloads. I do. The real problem the music industry have is S****Y music! Records sales haven't declined for 10 out of the last 12 years because of 12 year old girls copping Britney tunes of the 'Net. It's because of the pop garbage created by schlock-masters like Simon Cowell and Lou Pearlman.

Studies have, in fact, shown that CD sales at record stores near college campi have INCREASED since the advent of file-sharing.

Be angry about REAL problems, don't waste chat-board space with your paranoid fantasies and delusional thinking. Here's $5. Buy a clue.

DELTA-9

If you'll take your cranium out of your arse for two seconds I've got a message for you:

KISS MY MOSTLY HAIRY WHITE BUTT!!

By your post it's obvious you're a Brit. How sad. The only reason your little country isn't the smallest province in the Nazi empire, or singing the Soviet National Anthem everyday, is America's ability to crush and destroy BRITAIN's enemies.

Not only that, we put our cities at risk nuclear annihilation to protect yours every day for FORTY years. You ungrateful little nimrod.

It was the stupidity, inaction and cowardice of YOUR country's leaders (and France's) which allowed Hitler to nearly take over the world. And, just as in 1918, we had to pull your nuts out of the fire.

More Americans were killed protecting England than English people were killed by Nazi bombs, rockets and cruise missiles.

GET A CLUE YOU MORON! Try reading a history book. Sir John Keegan has authored many that will educate your illiterate ***.

The ONLY reason you are a free man/wo--, excuse me-- boy/girl today is because Americans were willing to travel, in some cases 5000 and 6000 miles, to protect YOUR country.

Your assinine comments spit on the grave of not only every American who died to save England, but upon their Royal Army comrades whom they have fought side by side in WWI, WWII, Korea, the Cold War and now against Islamofascism.

Not to mention all the intelligence and satellite photos we gave you during the Falklands War!

As for copyright insanity, it was BRITISH law that crushed DVD Decrypter, NOT American. See Parliament about that, bud. Give a knock on 10 Downing Street and see Mr. Blair. Why don't you take care of the problems in your homeland before vomiting your juvenile bilge on mine?

Idiots like you almost make me ashamed that English blood flows in my veins. Clearly most of the best genetic material came across the Atlantic before 1776.

What an ******* you are!

v3loc1ty's comments make a lot of sense, dude. The FBI really does have its priorities backwards.

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If they were doing things the way they were supposed to, the afore mentioned things would be given attention before much less serious things like movie copying. If rape victims had as much money as the MPAA, I bet the FBI would give them a higher priority though.

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Theaters have had prints of Episode III stolen at gunpoint. Just as with Return of the Jedi: in my own hometown, the very theater where I first saw Jedi was robbed at gunpoint by professional highjackers, they were in and out in less than three minutes and no one was hurt. This bespeaks serious criminal organization.

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Yes, but threatening someone's life isn't something that all pirates just go and do - it's a crime all on it's own. If a poor parent goes and holds up a grocery store so she can get food to feed her family, yes, she's a criminal, but eating is not a crime. Someone who threatens someone else's life should be locked up, but only a very few disturbed pirates do this.

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Well, shocking as it is, Metallica, Madonna, the Stones, Rush all would like to get paid for what they've done.

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Last time I checked they weren't on wellfare or anything. They do get paid millions for what they've done. Then, they whine when they can only afford 27 Porsches instead of 28 due to "rampant" piracy.

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Mr. Patel was doing the same thing.

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Though the RIAA would have you believe differently, copying something is not the same as stealing it. It has never been proven that sharing copyrighted materials has led to a loss in sales, especially with the lower quality of media typically found on the internet.

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The problem is NOT the FBI enforcing the law. It's people like Patel violating it.

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The problem is the law itself.

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I imagine you'd be put out if someone stole the car for which your Daddy's making the payments, right? Well, image how he'd feel if some stole the equivalent of hundreds of cars from him? Pretty pissed, I should think.

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Again, copying and stealing are not the same thing.

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Try putting yourself in the victim's shoes, just in your imagination, just for a second, and perhaps you'll get a clue.

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The movie industry is not a victim, it's an expoiter.

If no one agrees with me that's fine and I'm sorry, but it just seems like the truth to me.