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El Salvador pirates protest new copyright laws
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 17 January, 2006
For years the streets of San Salvador have been full of street vendors selling bootleg copies of CDs and DVDs for very low prices. Now, new tougher copyright laws have come into place since 1st January this year which include a mandatory jail sentence for selling pirated software movies or music. The new copyright laws were part of El Salvador's implementation of CAFTA. CAFTA provisions ... [ read the full article ]
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22. January 2006 @ 13:59 |
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jaguar... good point! They are making them available because even with the piracy they still come out ahead.
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msnevbill
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22. January 2006 @ 14:27 |
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So who is wrong? The person (like my family member who buys 100's of DVD pirated in Japan) who frequently buys pirated copies of movies or the people who make the copies, or the movie company who over charges for their product?
Do we prosecute the John or the Hooker? It is all the same thing. Supply and demand, if there is someone out there willing to pay for it, there will always be somewilling to supply it for a price. Aren't the crooks exploiting the general public the same as the big time movie moguls? Or is it just that one deals in dollars and the other billions of dollars?
You can buy copies right here in the good ole USofA. What's the excuse here?
I wouldn't put a person in jail for stealing food to feed his family, but I would put a person in jail for lining his pockets illegally for making money coping someone elses work (movies)..
If I don't like the price of a movie ticket then I won't go to the movies. If I think renting or buying movies are too costly then I will wait until they come on TV. Oh by the way speaking of robbery, remember when TV was free????
I got a membership at the local video store, they cahrge me one fee every month and I can rent all the movies I want for NO extra money. As soon as my contract with DISH runs out I am cancelling. I will watch NBC, CBS, and ABC (free TV) and when I want a movie I will rent one. I am sick and tired of paying for something that is useless and I never watch. All my favorite shows are on the major networks, anything else I can get at my local (national chain) video store.
Sorry I got off on a tangent there.
thanks for your ear
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22. January 2006 @ 16:15 |
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Well, the purpose of copyrights and patents is "to promote the Progress of Science [knowledge & learning] and useful Arts, by securing for limited times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." This is taken from the US constitution.
Basically, copyrighting was used to protect society from monopolies and censorship. What is happening now, is that the MPAA and RIAA are using the copyright law in order to secure a monopoly and this can hinder progress.
So who is wrong??? Everybody....
The government who allows the companies to manipulate and abuse the copyright laws to ensure a monopoly...
The company who manipulates the laws to their advantage and hinder the progression of technology...
The consumers, who support the companies by buying their products.
The Pirates who create their own product for sale without the permission of the author.
The other consumers who support pirates by buying bootleg movies.
As for who do you arrest, Joe or the Hooker... That depends on whether you live in Nevada and in a town of under 400,000. Prostitution is legal there as long as you own a license to operate a brothel and you follow the guidelines. Actually, I would say arrest the prostitute for tax evasion and also have him/her tested for disease and also charged for spreading disease if positive.
Why should Joe be arrested??? Sex is not illegal. Giving someone money is not illegal. I wonder why combining the two is illegal?? I understand why you brought that up, but they are different types of moral issues. In both cases, both parties are wrong, but you have to also think, why are these people being put into the morally challenging situations???
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22. January 2006 @ 16:20 |
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I am sick and tired of paying for something that is useless and I never watch
Excellent statement there!!!
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23. January 2006 @ 06:30 |
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raziel_71,
I second your opinion.
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23. January 2006 @ 11:07 |
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I guess that this is one of those moral questions then? Some people feel that it is ok to steal and make a profit from it, and some don't. I guess that if you are starving and need to feed your family, I would do anything that I had to. Not comparable with watching movies.
I do have to question on the other hand the fact that people who live in these "third world countries" can't afford to buy their familes food would have a dvd player. Where did they come up with the money to buy that?
All said, making a profit from stealing is wrong, no matter who you are. No matter what any one says, that is my belief. We are all entitled the at least that in life. And for all doubters out there I was not born into this world with a silver spoon in my mouth. I have had to work hard, very hard to get where I am today. I have wondered where I was going to sleep and where my next meal was coming from before. I was just lucky enough to be born in a country where I could apply myself and make a decent life for myself and my family despite my begining.
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23. January 2006 @ 17:36 |
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I know about prostitution because I live in a town in Nevada where the Chicken Ranch is, and the prostitutes here get checked regularly and have health cards all according to the law. No diseases spread here, or so they say. I have never been inside of a brothel myself.
As for my comment about not watching usless programing yeah I said it very badly, but you all know what I meant. I still have to live up to my contract until it expires and then kaput! out it goes.
You are all right, there are so many ways to look at it. We could go on forever about morality regarding stealing. Thank you for the intelligent feedback. It is always go to talk to people that can argue without getting nasty etc. Thanks again
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24. January 2006 @ 19:18 |
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We are seeing a technological consequence of the digital era. The audio and visual arts distributors predicted disaster because digital devices make flawless copies. The old practices of copying vinyl to cassettes, or worse, cassettes to cassettes, or even of high quality reel-to-reel recording from F.M. radio never produced enough quality to threaten the publishers of the original material. If movie piracy were confined to copies stolen by home video cameras, this would remain no serious threat. And nobody anticipated the ease and speed with which the Internet would make the conveyance of stolen material possible. Now copies that cannot be discerned from the original are commonplace.
I reject the arguments that theft is a reasonable practice for impoverished countries and peoples. It dishonors the value of their lives, and reduces them in a form of class bigotry to the ignoble roll of parasites and leeches. They need their standard of living raised, not their standard of civilized behavior diminished.
The pirates are using their wares as lures to get poor people to buy something they shouldn't waste their money on in the first place. They need it for necessities and to save to invest in their own futures. Moreover, as a country's economy and standard of living increase, local artists who would like to start a local film or recording industry will be hard put to recover their investments, much less make a living at it if piracy is the accepted norm. The result will be pirated copies of first world western cultural influence will abound and local culture and character will be supplanted. I’m sure many modern marketers actual enjoy having this kind of influence on other countries, but it isn’t healthy.
In the absence of piracy, I expect the major distributors would notice they weren't making any money in poor countries and would do exactly what the drug companies do, and sell at lower prices in those places. Not as low as street vendors, but some brakes on first world western influence are a good idea, I think. I’ve know three American families over the years who rid their homes of televisions when their children were young. These kids had to resort to reading newspapers and books. The quality and quantity of information acquired reading is greater than if the same time is spent with any other medium. The children from all three families became high honors students with scholarships to Ivy League schools. Developing nations need that kind of education more than a movie or video game. Their futures depend on it.
Someone will no doubt call me for making judgments about what a different culture needs and what is good for it. If you are an apologist for piracy in these places, then look in the mirror and ask yourself just who’s being judgmental about what is good for whom?
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24. January 2006 @ 22:21 |
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In the ten commandments, its written thou shalt not steal...
But to my recollection, it didn't say thou shalt not steal something intangible like data...
The point is this, these companies who produce movies and games, have money, and just because some empoverished boy or girl in El Salvador decides to copy it, there is a Mother trucking crisis?!
OH! Spare me the bullshit and these fallacious EPIPHANIES!
If you guys have ever been to Mexico, and had the chance to come accross pirated stuff, YOU KNOW THATS ITS NOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF ALL COPIES OF MOVIES AND GAMES. Who would buy it, less it be by an act of mercy or pity towards that person...
The point is this, you aren't hurting anyone if you are in El Salvador, rich people don't stop eating their caviar and sipping their martini's just because some El Salvadorian stops to copy their product...
Oh Martha! Another El Salvadorian copied a game or movie, oh no! We will lose our Ferrari if this continues or even worse our Concorde!! Oh dearest me...
If a monopoly shows up in a poor country, what do you expect, rags to riches! ha! lol
All this bullshit makes me want to do a colon cleansing.
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24. January 2006 @ 22:37 |
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@Condo,
You are correct, but the companies already "tease" these people with something that they know the people will want to own, but cannot afford. This is what opens the market for piracy. If the DVDs were never sold there in the first place, there would not be any piracy, because the initial product would not be available. Also, those who steal it are not as bad as those who profit out of the misfortunate as long as the stealing does not hurt anyone. In this case, the stealing is one of the reasons that DVDs are so popular. There would be no market in El Salvador if not for the pirates, but now there is a market for DVD Players, DVD Media & some DVDs.
Oh, and do not forget who supports the low standard of living there. It is always foreign companies like Walmart (talking about econimies outside of the US) who take their factories (usually clothes), and pay them 7 cents to make a $30 shirt. I am sure there are some electronics being made there as well and possibly even DVDs. Sure they create jobs, but they do not pay them enough to survive. I think these people deserve to be able to relax and watch a DVD if it is available to them. Rather than making or offering a product to meet the needs of the market, they are only offering a product that will not be affordable to anyone except the few rich and the pirates.
I like what you said about the televisions being removed from a household, but I assure you that only reading can cause serious health effects. Over-reading can lead to future vision problems, nothing serious here, but it is better for this to kick in at a later age. Also, there have been studies that show that the reading position is a very un-natural position. It causes strain on many muscles of the neck and jaw. Over-reading can possibly lead to arthsitis of the jaw, tendenitis of the jaw, back and neck pains, headaches, and in extreme conditions it can cause paralysis of facial and neck muscles and damage to nerves along with minor, but permanent disfigurement.
I am totally for removing TV for children, but I would definately not force them to read more than half an hour at a time or without either a neck brace or some type of stand for the book/paper to promote proper reading posture.
I guess I went off a bit to the side, but that can be useful, so I will expand on it a bit. Over-reading especially in an improper position can be considered a repetative stress injury. So, I guess the message here is, if you are doing something and you feel some type of pain or discomfort, take that as your body telling you that you are doing something you should not be doing. Signs of injury caused by reading include; eye strain, dizziness, loss of concentration, pressure on the jaw, slight pain in the throat and discomfort of the neck. When you feel any of this, stop reading (also typing, playing games, watching TV, etc...) and relax either by taking a walk taking a breather on the bed, strecth, etc...
If not, next comes, stress on the neck & jaw, minir tingling, a slight feeling of light headedness (goes along with a loss of awareness), eye twitching, lower back pain, increased pain in the neck and twitching of muscles on the face, temples, neck and upper back. "Enduring" this is what can lead to something bad happening.
I am glad to hear however, that those children grew up to be succesful. I actually went through High School and undergrad without cracking open a book and got very high marks and ended up knowing more than a vast majority of the university (sometimes more than professors) even in classes unrelated to my major like Phsychology & Chemistry, but especially in major classes relating to mathematics like Calculus, accounting, and every Finance course I took. Generally, you learn about 10% or so of what you read and about 40% or so of what you do, but I would not only do, I would teach as well, and that is the trick to learning something.
TV is overall detrimental to our society, but the boom in technology and the adopters of it, have sort of forced it on the majority of the population. It is rather difficult to find children or young adults doing outdoor activities that are not related to gangs or work. In the summer, all I usually do is work on the garden or grill.
Sorry for rambling on, but it is late and I have not eaten in about 10 hours and have only had some celery today and that has pretty much no nutrition. This is a very nice thread though and I love reading everybody's opinion and contributing myself. Also as msnevbill stated, the feedback is intelligent!!! This spurs more replies and those are very interesting to read:)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. January 2006 @ 22:39
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25. January 2006 @ 08:01 |
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"If the DVDs were never sold there in the first place, there would not be any piracy,"
That statement is a ridiculous. Of course there would be no piracy. There would be nothing to pirate.
That is what makes morals. It would not be very hard to not steal something tht wasn't there to steal in the first place.
It is a choice that people make. It is the difference between right and wrong. PROFITTING FROM STEALING IS WRONG!!! There is no argument for this that makes any sense. It is wrong and every one knows it. And...
"But to my recollection, it didn't say thou shalt not steal something intangible like data... "
Well that is the dumbest thing I think i have heard well....ever. If you need to have every item listed in the 10 comandments that should not be stolen then you may have a problem. STEALING IS STEALING.
Now we all now it is a question of morals. So what is it with people trying to justify stealing. It is not food or clothes for their family. I would wager that most of the people doing the priaating do not even have a family to support.
I think that this sends a message to all. If you steal our stuff, we are going to come and get you no matter where you hide, unless your name is Bin Laddin. LOL
And if the people do not stand up and say that they want more money for the job that they do, they will never make the money that they need to earn in order to provide for their families. We call it a strike or a sit down in the USA. It works pretty good if every one participates.
Just my opinion, and you know how those are. They are like noses, every one has one.
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@hot_ice,
It is also funny to hear about Mexico and Piracy. That is where lots of DVDs are pressed now. I wonder how much those people get paid...
Bringing the 10 commandments up, only shows that every person is immoral. Commandments 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, & 8 are almost always being broken. The second: "You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above...", is broken by just about everybody. This one forbids the worshipping of other gods, but so many worship the almighty dollar!!! I will definately not get into this though. Also, it forbids the creation of icons, crucifixes, etc... which you find in every church, in peoples homes, in books, etc...
However, the stealing of intangible items is interesting. If you watch a movie and can recall it exactly and picture it in your head just the same as you are watching it, would this also be considered stealing?? Perhaps they will use eyelid DRM to erase our minds after all. Also, the laws are a litle strict with media, like only being allowed to watch with one other individual and on a certain amount of DVD players etc...
Did you know that colon cleansing can be beneficial to your health?? There are lots of foods that we intake that our body does not break down properly. This tends to build up on our intestinal walls and can lead to problems like bloating, fatigue, improper absorption of nutrients, being overweight, etc... An alternative to cleansing would be a change in diet, but I am not sure what foods will help clean out a system. Definately increasing raw vegetable intake, possibly eating sea weed, and increasing fruit comsumption and lowering the amount of fatty foods, meats and dariy. It is also possible that drinking water from Calrsbad (City in the Czech Republic) may help as that is rich in Magnesium. As the ancient Greeks said though, "Pan Metro Ariston" (roughly translated, "All things in moderation").
@dysart147,
You missed the point of my statement. The companies wanted piracy and that is why they sold the DVDs there. I mean think about it. If you own a company and make a product that sells for $15 to $25, would you bring your product into an economy where the average worker cannot afford to buy a meal??? I would not... Not only is that immoral, it is also bad business. However, if you know that there will be a market for piracy, then you also know that there will be some market for the original. There is also a chance that they are getting royalties from the DVD Media.
If I were to enter that market, I would offer a cheap alternative, but the powers that be make that illegal in the case of DVDs, otherwise it would ruin their monopoly. Why is it that there is only one choice for movies now. VHS is no longer being supported, and either way, that format became more expensive than DVD. Why doesn't anyone create a cheap alternative using an open source codec like XviD and some open source audio format ogg vorbis or whatever (not familiar with the open source formats myself).
I know that temptation is what leads to morals, but is moral to deny our temptations??? I will leave that one alone as that is more of a philosophical question and not one that has a definate answer.
In times of need however, morality tends to go away and you follow instincts. You stated that "Stealing is Stealing" and that is correct. That country is one where there is a good amount of crime, whether it is stealing food or pirating movies. If you have already compromised your moral values by stealing food, what difference will it make if you steal a DVD?? Making the two separate will create a scenraio like "it is ok to ..... as long as ...." This is not good and you can always come up with an excuse to break any of your morals.
Deep down, people are nothing more than dumb beasts. The only advantage we have over other animals is strength and dexterity in our hands fingers. Take that away and we would be just like the Pan paniscus.
Now, for strikes, that does not always work even in the US. in the 1920s & 1930s, there were lots of people that did not have work. These were mainly farmers and sharecroppers. When they eventually found some type of manual labor the wages were barely enough to support them. What happened is that sometimes they would get to gether and strike. What happened, the employers found new labor and shot the leaders of the strike. Plain and simple. You cannot compare the US, a country that has a strong government and powerful labor unions to a developing country. In El Salvador, a strike would mean death to the workers and their families, even if they would not be shot. How long can they live without food, two weeks, one month??? And it would do nothing to Walmart but make them laugh. Walmart is infamous for trating their workers badly. There were even some cases where they would lock in the cleaning crew overnight so that they would not steal anything.
Even now, a strike can be bad. You usually do not see strikes in areas where the people who work do so for survival. They are usually associated with greed in the US like those poor community college teachers who make a measly $95,000 a year for teaching 12 hours a week and only get 3 months off in the summer. They thought is was inhumane to work an extra 3 hours a week and went on strike demanding less hours and a raise.
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If you steal our stuff, we are going to come and get you no matter where you hide, unless your name is Bin Laddin.
That is pretty good!!!!
One more note, no matter what you read or what companies say, there is no room for morality in business. Everything that companies do is for their own benefit. All the positive outcomes are just a side-effect. Sometimes, doing good things are only done to increase profits.
Looks like I wrote another long one.... I apologize for that.
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25. January 2006 @ 16:43 |
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@dysart
"Well that is the dumbest thing I think i have heard well....ever."
One word, Floccinaucinihilipilification.
I cannot follow the general tenor of your argument due to the inconsistency betwixt the perpetuation of morals and condescending nature of your statement.
Logic would dictate that this "contradiction" is nothing short of hypocrisy.
"If you need to have every item listed in the 10 comandments that should not be stolen then you may have a problem."
Anything short of a bachelor's in psychology would invalidate such an assessment.
I beseech you, keep your blundering conclusions to yourself.
@JaguarGod
Actually, being told you are full of shit is a good thing!!! As I was watching "the propaganda box" (the television), there was an interview with a doctor, and he uttered powerful words:" Death starts with the colon."
I only realized the full implication of his statement when I did some background research on Elvis Presley's health. Apparently, Elvis had between 45-60 pounds of compacted trash such as toxins and etcetera within his colon!
Therefore, cleansing your colon is a must for healthy living. Once done, I suggest you do a flexible sigmoidoscopy exam to see if everything is right where it should be in the "chocolate factory"; excuse my metaphor.
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26. January 2006 @ 21:36 |
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Elvis had between 45-60 pounds of compacted trash such as toxins and etcetera within his colon
Youch!!! That's a lot!!!! Thanks for all that info and good work on finding that data. I would not have thought to look for something like that.
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@jaguargod
I heard that colon cleansing isn't the only solution to healthy living.
Believe it or not, 80% of all diseases come from our water from the fosset!!
Take a look at our piping system which distribute our water on a daily basis...Sure, it doesn't look suspicious, and you would think that are pipes are clean like a whistle! Wrong. If you would extract a single foot of piping, you would come to see the horrible gunk and crap that builds up in there! These are toxins and make us ill!
Does water conduct electricity? Fairly simple question, but the answer is no! It doesn't! It is the metal remnants (such as lead) that makes electricity possible to be conducted in our bodies and effectively electrocute our asses into the next life!
If anything, I suggest a reverse osmosis machine, or any water purifying machine capable of removing 99.9 % of residual remnants in the water. I've tasted pure water (or close to purity) only once and I was shocked to find out that it tasted sweet!!
Stay away from foods made with hydrogenated oils (causes cancer), sugars (causes fatigue, weight gain), chocolate (removes the zinc in your body, which effectively makes normal unprocessed foods, such as whole wheat bread loses its taste!) highly refined foods, fast food chains. Eat sensibly.
Infrared saunas are a great way of removing toxins afflicting your body: believe it or not, the toxins come out of the pores of your skin when you sweat. Perhaps not all toxins, but any toxin thats out is better than none at all.
Have lots of sex, but only where there is mutual love within a relationship (or else it may damaging to your mental health). Coitus actually facilitates the exchange of bacteria amongst partners, making our immune systems stronger! (my excuse for premarital sex! Science lollol)
There are alternatives to healthy living, just find one that is suitable for you.
*uck I love tangents!
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*uck I can't type for shit either tonight! Must be my insomnia due to my exam tomorrow. shit!
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hot_ice,
"In the ten commandments, its written thou shalt not steal...
But to my recollection, it didn't say thou shalt not steal something intangible like data... "
If that is not hypocrisy then I do not have the same definition as you do. And I still think that is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Until you typed...
"Anything short of a bachelor's in psychology would invalidate such an assessment.
I beseech you, keep your blundering conclusions to yourself."
If you do not even understand the words that you pick out of the dictionary arbitrarily "Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle" how can you consider my coments blundering?
Maybe you could give us all the definition that you are using. That way we will all be able to understand what you are talking about. Or maybe the school you go to will give you your money back. I don't think that you are getting what you paid for if you can't see the hypocrisy in what comes from your own mouth.
And I would like to congratulate you on completing the entire collection of "Ways to Enrich your Word Power" from the Readers Digest.
If you are trying to impress me by typing the biggest words you know, save it. I am not impressed.
I have a copy of Webster's as well.
Floccinaucinihilipilification - "an act or instance of judging something to be worthless or trivial"
Great word, I would say that was a $50 word, but you used in the wrong context. If you want to use these big words, you should at least make sure that you use them correctly.
And just so you don't have to pull out you dictionary here is another word you need to know the meaning of
Hypocrisy - "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. An act or instance of such falseness."
If you are going to casualy throw these words around, I suggest you fully understand their meaning.
And betwixt......what can I say to that.....you must either be the smartest person in your whole family, or an art major.
Intelligence has nothing to do with using big words that you don't understand. But maybe after you grow up and graduate school, get out there in the real world, you might better understand some of this.
Keep reading that Dictionary!
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But to my recollection, it didn't say thou shalt not steal something intangible like data... "
Bending the law without breaking it, is that hypocritical? That's a debate within itself to which I care not to hear or participate in.
"You don't know the meaning of the words"
Oh! I see! I get it now! We are dealing with Norm Chomsky himself and his superb mastery of language!
Bravo,I am impressed!
(Hint, there is more than one dictionary out there!)
Besides, you haven't considered interpersonal coding...but yet again, you aren't an expert mister 2 cents.
Besides, language is my passion.
Yes, I am a student AND I DO NOT MAJOR IN ART!!!
And oh, follow your own advice, a dictionary in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing...While you're at it, put down your reader's digest as well...
What am I dealing with here, a moldie oldie! hehehe
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hot_ice
I am only old, not ancient(depending on your point of view, which changes the older you get. lol). If you doubt about what you wrote in this thread, all you have to do is go back and read it. I copy and pasted what you typed out of your post.
I never said that I was a master of language, but then again, I was not the one using words that most people will not understand to make my self look more intelligent. If you think I am stupid, well that is your prerogative. But if I can understand the biggest words that you know? Most people just do not use them in everyday conversations.
"And oh, follow your own advice, a dictionary in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing..." what is this coment in reference to? If you could give me an example of where I miss used a word, then I would gladly bow to your highness of the english language.
Psych major?
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@dysart
I don't mean to offend you, and I apologize if I came out a bit "hooliganish" (yes the ish is faulty!)
No, I do not think you are stupid. I am not in the business of judging others, I was just weighing your arguments.
I wouldn't want you to bow down to me either in any circumstance, since we were all created equally (divine measurement 1:1.618).
And I should respect my elders as well.
I would rather come out of this conversation as a man with principles than a neandertal.
No, not in Psychology either.
And by the way, there are many "intelligences", and it is hard to define what intelligence actually is: a test at Mensa won't do the trick either.
Intelligence, stupidity, etc, that's open to debate as well.
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2. February 2006 @ 18:20 |
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No, its not, we have a go for hooliganish. Not faulty, what possessed me to type that out, I LACK SLEEP!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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hot_ice
I am not offened in any way. That is the fun of these forums, when you meet some one as inteligent as your self, I enjoy the disscussion. Some times you have to push some one to find out what they are made of. And to be quite honest, you did impress me with not getting angry at some of my coments. Most people would have resorted to anger and foul language. It is nice to meet you!!
I'll see you around the forums.
dice out!!
p.s. Engineer major?
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No lol not an engineer major!
I am starting to think that my field of study is quite unpopular... :O
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hot_ice
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7. February 2006 @ 19:05 |
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I was planning to take a trip to El Salvador...However, I was warned to stay away due to sociopolitical problems afflicting the country.
What a shame. :( My spring break is coming about, and I haven't a clue where to head...
Down here in Montreal, its cold and I haven't seen the sun shine for months now...
Everywhere else the sun shines!!! Ahhhhh! All Quebec is good for is its poutine, its women, and the friction felt between anglophones and francophones...lollllol
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