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PS3 will win console war say researchers
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article published on 19 August, 2006
Research firm The Yankee Group believe that Sony's highly anticipated Playstation 3 console will hold off stiff competition from Microsoft & Nintendo to dominate the battle of the consoles once more. In a press release this week, it stated it believes that, "Microsoft is off to a fast start, launching the Xbox 360 nearly 12 months before the PlayStation 3. However, by the time third-generation ... [ read the full article ]
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FuZ3
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20. August 2006 @ 03:48 |
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Aww. I like Xbox 360, lol.
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neo1000
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20. August 2006 @ 06:29 |
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I`ll buy the PS3,maybe in 2010.But i`m sure getting the Wii this year.
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tnarulz
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20. August 2006 @ 07:58 |
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I bought the PS2 because compared to the DVD players at the time, it was a reasonable investment.
I won't be buying the PS3 because I can't afford a HDTV so there is no reason for me anyway to have something that can play the new format of DVD's when I still haven't made the full transition to DVD yet.
Just my two cents.
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20. August 2006 @ 08:36 |
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"Of course Halo 3 wil put up monster numbers, and Oblivion has done well, but beyond that, the rest of the lineup will probably be available on all consoles."-
Guess you don't read much, but come this christmas if PS3 actually manages to launch this year no one's going to care because of Saint's Row and Gears of War. There are no highly anticipated titles for PS3.
"A lot of people. To a lot a people $600 really isn't that much especially if they want it. Even for the people who can't really afford it a lot of them will still get one. "-
And what world are you living in. Like dude said, contrary to what you think, most are not going to drop 700 dollars on this system (700 being the price of the system plus one game and taxes). The games alone cost almost 100 dollars and dont know if you noticed but blueay hasnt exactly taken off. Besides, everyone keeps talking about how itll be the cheapest bluray player on the market, and you can rest assured that just as the dvd player that caim loaded on the system before it the bluray player for ps3 will suck pretty bad. Sorry to break it you, but you get what you pay for.
"I seriously dont think so, the price is too high and if blueray fails the ps3 will have a major set back."-
Dont worry, bluray will fail and this all in account to the pricing. And I'm not necessarily talking about consumers but movie distributors as well who pay expensive royalties which arent as high in the Hd camp. Another more candid reason is the name itself, which ive discussed before, which doesnt connect with people as immediatly as HD-DVD does( it sounds more official than bluray). Consumer price is another factor to consider this giving HD-DVD the advantage as well because of the fact they're selling a player as cheap as 500 dollars from the get go. Another factor to consider is the lack of Universal's support for Sony, which for intents and purposes makes alot of the best movies. microsoft is also a factor to consider, them being the behemoth company that controls personal computing who can at there own discretion program HD support into the windows format that everyone will undoubtly buy( there going to tear apple a new one as well but thats another story).
"Omg plz sony obviously paid to have researchers say that ps3 is going to lose"-
???? Im assuming you meant that they paid researchers to say theyll win.
"For the part "How hard is to write on PS3" i remember they said the same about ps2 and look how big is library of ps2 games."-
And once again i ask of all those games, how many does anyone actuallt play. I don't about you but i just spent my first year in college and we never played ps2. Noone really does anymore because it has no GOOD games and Final fantasy is pointless once you beat it( and grand turismo plz noone likes those kind of racing games no more).
"I bought the PS2 because compared to the DVD players at the time, it was a reasonable investment."-
Yep and be honest it had nowhere near as good of features as a normal dvd player and didnt support as many formats and codecs.
Bottomline- is gonna fall flat on its face and the only ones who care are Sony fanboys. I cant wait to see PS3 flop. O yeah and like i said before, that crap system isnt coming out this year despite what they tell the public, just wait.
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Kazi
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20. August 2006 @ 08:52 |
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fanboys are SO annoying!
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20. August 2006 @ 10:00 |
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sony will more than likely retake the market, but that would mean they would have lost it in the first place, which isn't happening anytime soon. there are quite a few people who will never pay that kind of $$$ for any system. most people seem to say "i'll wait for a price drop" so i think its understandable to say sony will dominate once again in a few years.
the ps2 is still outselling the 360, so even if the ps3 is not as popular as some want to believe, sony still has another leg up on their competition. i think the ps3 is a bargain for the price, but i also understand what it really offers. those who say its overpriced or who think they can buy a $600 computer with the same potential are simply kidding themselves....
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20. August 2006 @ 12:32 |
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Nothing but True!!! the same thoughts here
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20. August 2006 @ 12:36 |
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well, thats interesting to hear. Ill have to agree that we cant trully trust analysts. All they give is educated guesses before the competition is out. Just the other day they said the xbox 360 would win. But still jugeging from their research it seems like a prety close race between microsoft and sony, 44%&40%. Close indeed, poor nintendo.
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20. August 2006 @ 13:26 |
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Bottomline- is gonna fall flat on its face and the only ones who care are Sony fanboys. I cant wait to see PS3 flop. O yeah and like i said before, that crap system isnt coming out this year despite what they tell the public, just wait.
No thats definitely wrong, the PS3 will be out on the 17th and there will be systems going for over a grand on ebay. So for you people who hate sony "fanboys"(thats such a stupid word by the way) you should make sure you do a pre-order then rip off a sony fanboy on ebay.
And why the hell do people keep saying you could buy a computer with that $600 or like someone here said you could get a computer tower and a couple other things with that $600. Umm WTF...we want a god damn video game system not a f*cking computer. Why is that so hard to understand. We want to sit on our couches not at our computer desks. And for many other reasons we want a system not a god damn computer so stop telling us to buy a computer with that money especially since you cant get shit of a computer with $600.
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20. August 2006 @ 14:20 |
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i agree with Jasper44,esppecialy with the ebay thing, the 360 was $900.
Plus, yes someone understands, GAME SYSTEM not a computer that can't do crap, a DECENT computer is $1,300, plus this is Blu-ray not a dvd, this is the best price we could ask for, as long as the library stays BIG and the games are up to par, sony will sell,and the PS3 will be sold out in munites on release.
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DamonDash
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20. August 2006 @ 18:29 |
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LOL, Everyone taking shots at the King(Sony) i see .You guys can talk to you turn Blue in the Face but until Microsoft or Nintendo out sell Sony.Sony will be King on the block like it or not Sony here to stay for along while.
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20. August 2006 @ 18:59 |
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Beciuse of the price the Wii will get the best momentom from it and beat Sony in the short run,SOny has made a Entertamnet center beast and is looing ahead 4 or 5 years MS is stuck with its wonky Xbox upgrade that in bad need of good games and stable hardware.
High def is ok but not much mroe than 30% incress in resalution thus not makeing it worth overhauling our entertainment center unless your a moive nut.
PS3
Is realy built for after the next 3 or 4 years its not going to do to well in the frist 3 years,BLue ray might fail as the moive format but then Rioch has a working blue ray/HD DVD drive in 2 or 3 years time it might be sold thus makeing the format wars null and viod.
WII
Price and inovation you cant beat it,the WII is built for a slow and stedy run as well as haveing a great frist year.
360
This system blows only if you are a Xbox fan will you overlook all of its issues in the next year all the hardware woes will be delt with I hope,the games realy arent nothing new the 360 is already amiss in stagnation altho Dead riseing is neat but I degress the system is in bad need of alot of good games and in 3 or 4 years it will already show its age while the PS3 will be good to go for almsot 5 more.
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Ya but even a idoit can see the Ps3 do the most over a 5 year time span,the 360 is wonky and will show its age by then,the WII is that little cute cheap usefull inovative gadget we all must have.
MrToast
and tell me oh great toast person how the 360 is somehow much better hardware than the PS2? it was bugy and all but nothign as bad as the 360,god at least Sony tries and beta tests its bloody systems...altho nothing like nintendo they take the cake for doing a system right the frist time.
BostonC
thats an ADD ON to the 360 add it up its about 500
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20. August 2006 @ 19:09 |
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Sony will do verryyyy good...if they take advantage of the blu rays capacity then theyll have some incredible games..can anyone confirm that more ps2s are being sold than the 360??if thats true then sony will definitely win the war..kinda sad if ps2 sells more than 360
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20. August 2006 @ 19:28 |
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Mmmmm I dotn think so becuse theres still a limit to howmuch data you have running at a time,plus fillign a BR with voices music sounds and well game would cost 2 or 3 times what Oblition did and thats even with upgrade the tetuxes and such,however with BR you do get the chance to have no limit on stored data that should make soem intresting games whenever they use it and I dont see them useing it for a minuim of 3 years.
right now the WII looks great to me and I still ahve to g et a Xbox >< LOL
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20. August 2006 @ 19:53 |
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the human eye cant see past 30 fps thus makeing the whole 60FPS anything saying 60FPS is a marketing scheme to lure in thos that only want mindless power.
the PS3 can do it but not fully proly will take 3 or so years for them to ahve games in full 60 fps but even then its not needed,altho I can see some tricks gimmicks that would make fps more neat when at full 60FPS however msot fps need better design more than they need more power.....and well...that goes for most games....
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20. August 2006 @ 20:28 |
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here is the sales chart showing the ps2 outselling the 360 until june(that is all it went up to). according to these numbers, the only time the 360 has trumped the ps2 was April.
http://videogamecharts.com/page3.html
and this is from an article stating more of the same
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Like a good soccer match, the monthly sales battles between the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 2 have a lot of exciting back-and-forth. So far, however, the PlayStation 2 has remained in control of the match, outselling the Xbox 360 in six of the seven months since the Xbox 360's debut. The situation is a strong reminder that Sony's PS3 gamble, while huge, has a little more cushioning than is commonly recognized.
Since the release of the Xbox 360, Microsoft has averaged 246,000 console sales each month in the US, while the PS2 has seen an average of 473,000 units—a number bolstered by an estimated 1.5 million sales in December alone. Leaving out December, Sony's average drops to 302,000 per month, still outpacing the Xbox 360 by a healthy margin.
According to sales estimates from the NPD Group (conveniently collected here and here), the Xbox 360 won its first sales victory against the PS2 in April, outselling Sony's offering by nearly 90,000 units (295,000 units in all). The end of Microsoft's supply problems may have accounted for the leap in sales, but May estimates showed a return to more settled buying trends: Xbox sales decreased by 74,000 units, while the PS2 climbed to more than 231,000 units total, recapturing the lead with roughly 11,000 more consoles sold.
In short, Sony's PS2 sales remain remarkably strong, and with recent price cuts trimming the system down to US$129, sales are expected to stay strong throughout the year. Sony has sold more than 100 million PS2s, and this year they can expect to add another three million from the US market alone. The PS2 market isn't "winding down" in any meaningful sense.
In closing, I should note that we caution against putting too much weight on these sales estimates, especially in a comparative sense. The PS2 and the Xbox 360 are at opposite ends of their "console lifecycles," and the two are priced quite far apart as well (e.g., $129 vs. $299, PS2, Xbox 360 Core respectively). We are impressed, however, by the PS2's continually strong sales, even as many gamers turn their eyes towards the next-generation. These sales will help keep Sony strong and stable, even in the face of a disappointing PlayStation 3 launch, should fate take that turn.
We're not suggesting that it will. To the contrary, Sony's track record in this area is hard to bet against, even factoring in the questionable decision to push Blu-ray. As long as PS2 sales remain this strong, Sony can weather bumps in the road, should there be any.
the 360 has little to no interest in japan which is a huge factor in all this. another quote, this one from gamespot posted aug 9th:
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While the Xbox 360 has seen healthy sales in the Western world, it has scarcely 1 percent of the Japanese game market.
like the article stated, i too wonder why so many people bet against, hate or feel like sony is going to flop. if anything it seems sony has quite the recipe for success, and is in a pretty good position.
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20. August 2006 @ 20:58 |
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Only the xbox fanboys dont handle the reality that the Xbox/360 is a US console and thus and one to only get 1/3rd or less of the market.
And I bet you the Xbox only stole 5% or less sales from Sony and Cube.
the 360 is in bad shape right now sure I can see its potinal but I jsut dont see MS doing much about it.
The PS3 well do ok over a 3 or 6 year peroid in the next year or 2 I see it sellign ok to well in japan and bad to ok in the US.I'll give t a 40/60 chance to flop becuse of the price but I give the 360 a 50/50 chance to burn out,and dosent MS have the Xbx2 planed for 3-4 years from now?
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20. August 2006 @ 21:06 |
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Guess you don't read much, but come this christmas if PS3 actually manages to launch this year no one's going to care because of Saint's Row and Gears of War. There are no highly anticipated titles for PS3.
There are plenty of great games that will be on ps3.Xbox has always and will always have the weakest line up.
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The games alone cost almost 100 dollars and dont know if you noticed but blueay hasnt exactly taken off.
Show me the link to games being $100.
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Another factor to consider is the lack of Universal's support for Sony, which for intents and purposes makes alot of the best movies.
hd-dvd doesn't have disney,sony pictures, etc which also make alot of the best movies.
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microsoft is also a factor to consider, them being the behemoth company that controls personal computing who can at there own discretion program HD support into the windows format that everyone will undoubtly buy
Doesn't work that way.All you will need is brd playback software and a bluray drive just like with regular dvd's,Many leading apps have already declaired support for bluray such as ulead and intervideo to name a couple.Microsoft isn't allowed to bully anymore....The courts have worked that out.It's really the pc manufacturer's that will make the decision as to wether they will include bluray or not.
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Yep and be honest it had nowhere near as good of features as a normal dvd player and didnt support as many formats and codecs.
Ok what formats and codecs did it not support that a regular dvd player supports?
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Ankoku
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20. August 2006 @ 21:20 |
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Just a quick a support for tycobb,
The fact that Microsoft produces the 360 doesn't mean it can say who will win the format war, Blu-ray and HD-DVD are pieces of HARDWARE not software, Microsoft isn't a GIANT in the hardware industry, in that way, it yields to manufacturers like Hewlett-Packard Compaq, Dell, Toshiba and SONY
And as a final note to the naysayers about PS3's GIGANTIC cost, at least here in America, cost has never been a problem because of everybodys favorite burden CREDIT!
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20. August 2006 @ 21:21 |
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tycobb
the only thign I can comment on is I have seen new collector tin games go for 60-90 and normal games go 50-80,add another 20 or 30 for a BR or HD game and well you've hit 100.
but still games right now are doing good to hit 80 with shiping.
Hell I rmeember paying 90 soemthign for Phsanty Star 4 and FF3 and thats with overnight....aahh....when games where worth every dime..how I miss thos days...
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20. August 2006 @ 21:36 |
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@Ankoku that's a very good point.There is no body but ms as far as an os that's compatible with all the leading apps ,games,and accesories therefore most pc manufacturer's like dell have no choice but to go with windows.This isn't true though on the hardware side like you said.
Think about it though they also buddle aol and java which are both microsoft enemies.microsoft wants you to go with msn not yahoo,google,aol,java etc.but that doesn't stop companies like dell,hp,gateway from including that stuff buddled and pre-installed.
Let's not forget sony also makes pc's lol.
@zippy where?
Sony has NOT released the price of the games we can speculate and personally I think they will be $70 but the fact is no one can be certain until the price point is released.The fact is bluray will have more space and therefore more game.At first the space won't matter but by 2008 it will.
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20. August 2006 @ 21:43 |
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These guys are so full of crap! Sony is not going to win this round. The average person nor gamer cares about BluRay or HD-DVD. Nobody's gonna buy this just because you can get the BluRay cheaper this way. Games haven't even exceeded a regular DVD yet. Look at Ovlivion. The PS3 is going to be too hard to program for. It's too pricey for the average gamer. Who's gonna go out and buy an HDTV just to get the full benifits of a PS3? Not too many. All you Sony nut riders need to realize that this just isn't their time this go around. They're sales will start off slow, but will pick up when the prices drop no doubt. By then MS and Nintendo will have already gained too big of a lead. Look out MS and Sony. Make way for the Wii. Affordable and more appealable to the average gamer. Who doesn't want to play all of the old Nintendo games? Parents are gonna love this system for their kids and for themselves. Sony needs to stick to making TVs for MS and Nintendo. They'll make more money. HA!
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Look at pricieng it goes up almsot stiadly every few years by 08 or 010 games that are now 50 will be 60 or 70,but th hidden inflation aside you have a point I dout by then blank BR/HD media would be more than 10 a pop.
heh and more game = more price compare Oblivion to any short action or fighter title its at least 10 more,altho some games start out around 60,you can see where its going in order t amke a prfit on these ahrder to make games full of depth a price hike of 10-20 will come into paly,it all adds up in the end tho.
I would not dout by 010 we will have to shell out 80 or 90 for nomral short low end games......*shudders*
I hope its just mndless fear ><
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heres the trick tho in 4 years the PS3 will gain what it lost in irs frist 2 or 3 years,MS cant make it out of the states and thus fails on that alone,the WII will conqure the short run it will bash MS into the ground the 360 will only do well in the states and then only with Xbox fans and a few gamers than want soemthing slightly diffrent and ahve the cash to mess with it.
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
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20. August 2006 @ 22:25 |
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@zippy I know the price of games goes up that doesn't mean they will be $100 which was the whole point.I agree with you though except for that and the 2010 thing.Games were $50 in 2000 when the ps2 came out and there are still $50 5 1/2 years later.
They do get more expensive every new gen but not that much of a jump to assume from $50 to $100
@OneDeep that's just your opinion.
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