Man faces maximum of 210 years for P2P child porn trading

Somewhat off topic but, instead of saying max. 210 years in prison. Why don't they just refer to it as "life in prison" or "life sentence". I mean if someone got a 210 year sentence do they really expect the convict to leave on parole in 210 years?!

Originally posted by PeaInAPod:

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Somewhat off topic but, instead of saying max. 210 years in prison. Why don't they just refer to it as "life in prison" or "life sentence". I mean if someone got a 210 year sentence do they really expect the convict to leave on parole in 210 years?!

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Yep, It always made me laugh when they were talking about 100s of years for the Enron crap too. Makes you wonder, would the prosecution actually fight for say, 150 years instead of 100 years? :D

they just want to avoid "death penalty" to keep close to the so called "human right". too absurd!

that man is deserved to the death penalty.

child pornography is sick and evil, I hope this fucker frys on the electric chair.

I think there was an actual case when a convicted man was given a very long stretch in prison, and he protested that he was an old man.
The judge replied kindly: Well, just do as much as you can.

yes, the kind judge believes that the all life time torture is better than a quick death.

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child pornography is sick and evil, I hope this fucker frys on the electric chair.

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They don't execute dirtbags in the liberal state of Maryland. The older DC sniper was sentenced to death only after he was convicted of some more murders next door in Virginia.

I get rid of anything that looks like it might be kiddie porn when I see it...

i would not kill 100 acused child peados if 1 was inercent

can we be 100% sure he is guilty... in some cases a virus uplouded child porn to a victums computer

A reason for this is that "life sentence" differs per different countries laws. For example in quite a few countries "life" is actually 25-30 years in prison. Do not ask my why or to what logic it is based on.

Wow, CP is a tougher sentence than murder & rape? Was he the one that made all the stuff, like he was kidnapping children and forcing them to do things they didn't want to do? It seems harsh for CP media, cause you always here of child molesters and such getting 5 years in prison and then they can't live by children. Wasn't a senator or something convicted of the same thing & they only got a fine and had to resign?

OWNED!

Execution is not a measured response to what this man has done in my honest opinion, and neither is 210 years in prison. I think it has been mentioned on these comments already and I can't believe it sometimes, but the people who actually do go out and harm children themselves often get very little time in jail whereas people found in possession of this material often get more harsh penalties, even though they may never have harmed a child and maybe they just never could.

It also goes against what many experts are saying. The biggest threat to your children are not the strangers on the Internet, they are actually people in your own family or who are close to your children, this is the horrifying truth in the vast majority of these cases. I think it is just easier for many people to pretend like the real threat to their children is "far away" from them under normal circumstances, not in their company regularly.

Of course, this man broke the law, he committed a crime, but there's another aspect to think about here. Personally, I just "cant" understand the need for people to look at pictures like that. Even if you put aside all the illegality and morals of it, I still just wouldn't see the point or why somebody would actually be attracted to this type of content.

The explanation for this is usually that these people had something happen to them in their lives that made them feel like "it's ok" and "it's normal", and I personally think thats a very sad thing for people who've been abused and even in their middle aged years it still has its affect on them. Like many people who experience similar problems due to their childhood experiences, they don't actually think they need help at all until the gravity of this crime under law is beat into them by a Judge.

Still though, I think using P2P networks and other services to trade this stuff is again, exploitation of technology for the very wrong reasons. I also am not a parent, but I do understand why any parent would get freaked out about this stuff. Hopefully we'll find out soon what happens in this case anyway.

P2P? Let me guess....Imesh?

Getting anything on that crappy p2p program is tantamount to suicide. Doesnt matter if its cp, mp3s or movies..you'll do hard time no matter WHAT you download using Imesh/Gnutella/Kazaa crap.

Use emule instead. Yeah its a bit harder to set up..but you'll save yourself from sharing a cell with Bubba.

I guess they plan on burying him in the prison after he becomes deceased so he can carry out the remainder of his sentence.

Originally posted by JaguarGod:

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Wow, CP is a tougher sentence than murder & rape? Was he the one that made all the stuff, like he was kidnapping children and forcing them to do things they didn't want to do? It seems harsh for CP media, cause you always here of child molesters and such getting 5 years in prison and then they can't live by children. Wasn't a senator or something convicted of the same thing & they only got a fine and had to resign?

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which is worse child pornography or the rape and murder of a child? I would say the latter, but it seems to be the judicial system is giving bigger penalties to child pornographers.

That's a good point that you made, just because he was sharing the files, doesn't necessarily mean he was making the footage.

Again it seems like someone who kidnaps and abuses a child would get off easier than if someone else took a picture of it. It's just totally fucked up.

I believe we're not complaining about this 210 years, but for how short other convictions are...
Maybe rapists dont kill people, but ruin entire lives and families as well...

Those sick people should be convicted for life!

Originally posted by PeaInAPod:

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Somewhat off topic but, instead of saying max. 210 years in prison. Why don't they just refer to it as "life in prison" or "life sentence". I mean if someone got a 210 year sentence do they really expect the convict to leave on parole in 210 years?!

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those crazy sentences are to prevent parole cuz one must serve a certain percent of their sentence before they qualify for a parole hearing

this ass hole needs to fry. screw life in prison.

Why don't the parents who's children were in the videos and anyone else who wants to join get together and stone this creep to death?

if it makes u feel better prison guards usually turn a blind eye to the abuse of such sex offenders as exemplified through "katie's revenge"

Originally posted by Iguana775:

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this ass hole needs to fry. screw life in prison.

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Yup. While we're at it..maybe we can fry people for even "thinking" about looking at nasty pics.

Yeah...that'd work.

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What we (USA) needs to do is reform the damn laws.....some of this crap is absurd. People have made some very valid points, why in gods name will this guy get 2 centuries in jail (lol) for looking at pictures when the guy down my street abused his wife and kids, but is currently on parole after 6 months in a cell? So much wrong in this country with regards to laws...yeah he is a total perv and deserves to get hammered by Billy Bob in a cell, but there are more evil crimes out there that carry much less severe penalties.

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can we be 100% sure he is guilty... in some cases a virus uplouded child porn to a victums computer

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Dude...???? WHAT?!! He should be given 210 years and I hope that by the time he's done 20 they come up with a way to ratard human aging so he can actually rot in jail for over 200. Child molestation is the worst sin ever. Do you know what it is to be a child and when your are supposed to be thinking in Barney or the Power Rangers you are thinking about sex, because some psycho decided to play with your stuff?

And the worst part is the war you must endure everyday with your messed-up instincts to prevent becoming what you hate most. Child pornography is a way to back up and encourage child molestation, never forget that.

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Dude...???? WHAT?!! Child molestation is the worst sin ever.

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Tell that to the victims of Auschwitz, or the kids onboard Flight 93, or those gunned down by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.


James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

hes lucky.the sonofabitch lives in protective custody and gets three squares a day,unlike some of the children exploited by these bastards.death by castration is too good for him and all others like him.

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hes lucky.the sonofabitch lives in protective custody and gets three squares a day,unlike some of the children exploited by these bastards.death by castration is too good for him and all others like him.

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Just wait untill he gets to prison. I don't think pedo's are looked to kindly upon in the big house, by the guards or the inmates. So we'll just see if the sicko get what's comming to him.

by the way if you think looking at the pictures isnt as bad as making them guess again.if no one looked at the shit making it would become pretty redundant.

I believe in the 3 strikes your dead law.
3 Felonies and we execute, no 10 years on death row, special courts made up of only judges to expedite the criminals leaving of the planet. Wake up people, do you know what it costs to keep a prisoner in jail? If these pieces of shit do not want to be a productive part of society then OK, bam, your not! And I do not want to hear from all the liberals who whine about ooh he had a bad childhood or his mommy didn't love him...bla bla bla bullshit. I think from a very young age we all know right from wrong, and if you do not want to live within societies rules then please don't. But don't make us all pay for your housing for the next fifty years either! Wake up people, crime is not getting better, it is more violent and blatant then ever before, and yes maybe the death penalty may not stop a criminal the first time.....but after they are dead they won't be able to do it again!

i wish there were stricter punishmnt for child molestation as well.. i was molested uncountable no. of times startin frm the age of 5 in my own home....and now im 21 n still vr fukd in the head...so as far as im concrened im scarred for life...n the culprit gets free in 5 yrs or smtin...n smtimes nthn..!

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A 44 year old man from Dundalk, Maryland, is facing 11 charges for child pornography offenses, 5 counts of receipt of child pornography, 5 counts of transportation of child pornography, and 1 count of possession of child pornography. He got caught in an FBI investigation that targeted sharers of child porn on P2P networks. Project Safe Childhood was created by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, last year.

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For all those complaining about the time he is facing and comparing it to murder and rape, please actually read the news posting before you comment. It isn't 210 years for one charge, he is facing 22 different charges and if convicted of all 22 charges he faces a maximum sentence of 210 years. The judge decides how long of a time he will serve, even if his lawyers and the governments lawyers come to an agreement, the judge can still decide to give him more time. He can not appeal the decision if that happens but the government can if it thinks the sentence is to light. And for those saying that he should be sentenced to the electric chair, I don't believe that happens anymore, usually it is just lethal injection. But that shouldn't happen because of all the attorneys fees and court time makes the monetary cost that the taxpayers have to pick up cost more than him spending the rest of his life in prison because they want to do everything possible that they don't execute an innocent person.

i hope he gets the book thrown at him sick *bleep*

What a sick bastard...

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Execution is not a measured response to what this man has done in my honest opinion, and neither is 210 years in prison. I think it has been mentioned on these comments already and I can't believe it sometimes, but the people who actually do go out and harm children themselves often get very little time in jail whereas people found in possession of this material often get more harsh penalties, even though they may never have harmed a child and maybe they just never could.

It also goes against what many experts are saying. The biggest threat to your children are not the strangers on the Internet, they are actually people in your own family or who are close to your children, this is the horrifying truth in the vast majority of these cases. I think it is just easier for many people to pretend like the real threat to their children is "far away" from them under normal circumstances, not in their company regularly.

Of course, this man broke the law, he committed a crime, but there's another aspect to think about here. Personally, I just "cant" understand the need for people to look at pictures like that. Even if you put aside all the illegality and morals of it, I still just wouldn't see the point or why somebody would actually be attracted to this type of content.

The explanation for this is usually that these people had something happen to them in their lives that made them feel like "it's ok" and "it's normal", and I personally think thats a very sad thing for people who've been abused and even in their middle aged years it still has its affect on them. Like many people who experience similar problems due to their childhood experiences, they don't actually think they need help at all until the gravity of this crime under law is beat into them by a Judge.

Still though, I think using P2P networks and other services to trade this stuff is again, exploitation of technology for the very wrong reasons. I also am not a parent, but I do understand why any parent would get freaked out about this stuff. Hopefully we'll find out soon what happens in this case anyway.

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It goes back to the hatred of porn ther distrobuters of this crap need to get alil time the downlanders of this crap minor fines the people that take the pictures and hurt kids need a lot of time.

I'm not a very judgmental person. But, if this man is found guilty then I hope he rots in jail!

lol

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Dude...???? WHAT?!! He should be given 210 years and I hope that by the time he's done 20 they come up with a way to ratard human aging so he can actually rot in jail for over 200. Child molestation is the worst sin ever. Do you know what it is to be a child and when your are supposed to be thinking in Barney or the Power Rangers you are thinking about sex, because some psycho decided to play with your stuff?

And the worst part is the war you must endure everyday with your messed-up instincts to prevent becoming what you hate most. Child pornography is a way to back up and encourage child molestation, never forget that.

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This stuff disgusts me as well, but why not address the underlying issues. Obviously the guy has problems. Why not try to rehabilitate him? Sentence him to time in a facility with therapy sessions. Why send him to a prison where he will get beaten and raped for looking at something he shouldn't have? What if he was raped the same way as a child? He never received the care needed to overcome those messed-up instincts. Those messed-up instincts interfere with his being able to determine right from wrong. Having messed-up instincts puts you at a disadvantage from the start. Or Maybe it was an addiction that he needs help overcoming. Addictions of any form are harmful. For some, the vice is porn. For others, it's substance abuse. He could have accidentally viewed the material once, and then couldn't stop the curiosity from growing. Save the space in the jails for the people actually committing these horrific acts against children. Sending him to jail would just be nurturing his deviant behavior.

Originally posted by RNR1995:

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I think from a very young age we all know right from wrong, and if you do not want to live within societies rules then please don't.

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Well, then...cased close. Let's set new laws based on what you "think."

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Originally posted by Razengan:

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Dude...???? WHAT?!! He should be given 210 years and I hope that by the time he's done 20 they come up with a way to ratard human aging so he can actually rot in jail for over 200. Child molestation is the worst sin ever. Do you know what it is to be a child and when your are supposed to be thinking in Barney or the Power Rangers you are thinking about sex, because some psycho decided to play with your stuff?

And the worst part is the war you must endure everyday with your messed-up instincts to prevent becoming what you hate most. Child pornography is a way to back up and encourage child molestation, never forget that.

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This stuff disgusts me as well, but why not address the underlying issues. Obviously the guy has problems. Why not try to rehabilitate him? Sentence him to time in a facility with therapy sessions. Why send him to a prison where he will get beaten and raped for looking at something he shouldn't have? What if he was raped the same way as a child? He never received the care needed to overcome those messed-up instincts. Those messed-up instincts interfere with his being able to determine right from wrong. Having messed-up instincts puts you at a disadvantage from the start. Or Maybe it was an addiction that he needs help overcoming. Addictions of any form are harmful. For some, the vice is porn. For others, it's substance abuse. He could have accidentally viewed the material once, and then couldn't stop the curiosity from growing. Save the space in the jails for the people actually committing these horrific acts against children. Sending him to jail would just be nurturing his deviant behavior.

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I think from a very young age we all know right from wrong, and if you do not want to live within societies rules then please don't.

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Well, then...cased close. Let's set new laws based on what you "think."

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If he is a known abuser send him to prison,if he just had pics send him to therapy, sometimes people passions to protect the childrens is insane,protecting the world from steak will only make more cannibals ....

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child pornography is sick and evil, I hope this fucker frys on the electric chair.

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They don't execute dirtbags in the liberal state of Maryland. The older DC sniper was sentenced to death only after he was convicted of some more murders next door in Virginia.

I get rid of anything that looks like it might be kiddie porn when I see it...

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How do you get rid of it? Do you remove your remove your hard drive throw it into smoldering lava? IF you havent then you are still possessing it and can be charged with it even though you deleted it, and if it comes to more than 3 images its a federal offense, better hope you never ever used a p2p program either because that means you uploaded it to others even though they dont have to prove that you did upload it, so based on what you just said you are looking at about 20 years in federal prison. Keep in mind a child head pasted on an adults body is considered child porn and believe it or not a teen photo that happens to have an accidental camel toe is considered child porn too. Soo, might I ask, what is your name and address?
Everybody loves a witch hunt untill they realize they are a witch.

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I'm not a very judgmental person. But, if this man is found guilty then I hope he rots in jail!

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Imagine someone doesnt like you and breaks into your home, downloads kazaa, downloads some child porn, leaves and then calls the police on you. Bam, Instant framing, no defense. with the amount of hysteria surrounding this stuff I wonder why no one has thought of it yet
but, you arent a judgemental person, but you bet he rots in hell. I think you need to look at yourself a little better.

Originally posted by LeoH30:

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Originally posted by pryme_H:

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I'm not a very judgmental person. But, if this man is found guilty then I hope he rots in jail!

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Imagine someone doesnt like you and breaks into your home, downloads kazaa, downloads some child porn, leaves and then calls the police on you. Bam, Instant framing, no defense. with the amount of hysteria surrounding this stuff I wonder why no one has thought of it yet
but, you arent a judgemental person, but you bet he rots in hell. I think you need to look at yourself a little better.

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A bit absurd eh? I understand how someone facing such sick charges could fabricate such an extravagant load of bs, but lets get real. I am not one to pass judgement on others because most of the time I do not know the underlying cause of why certain decisions are made, whether it be a sad childhood or some traumatic life experience....but what is wrong with hoping some sicko that in the least thinks about molesting children and at most has, rots in hell? Murder and rape are some serious crimes; hard not to judge these types of criminals.

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Originally posted by LeoH30:

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Originally posted by pryme_H:

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I'm not a very judgmental person. But, if this man is found guilty then I hope he rots in jail!

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Imagine someone doesnt like you and breaks into your home, downloads kazaa, downloads some child porn, leaves and then calls the police on you. Bam, Instant framing, no defense. with the amount of hysteria surrounding this stuff I wonder why no one has thought of it yet
but, you arent a judgemental person, but you bet he rots in hell. I think you need to look at yourself a little better.

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A bit absurd eh? I understand how someone facing such sick charges could fabricate such an extravagant load of bs, but lets get real. I am not one to pass judgement on others because most of the time I do not know the underlying cause of why certain decisions are made, whether it be a sad childhood or some traumatic life experience....but what is wrong with hoping some sicko that in the least thinks about molesting children and at most has, rots in hell? Murder and rape are some serious crimes; hard not to judge these types of criminals.

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child porn dose not = child rape/molestion, these are minor crimes the ones taking the photos and harming the childern should be the ones gettign the max punishment.

Exploiting children is a serious crime, no ifs, ands or buts....I will leave it at that.

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Exploiting children is a serious crime, no ifs, ands or buts....I will leave it at that.

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Media exploits and harms children we must protect them and take away all media steak,anyhtign rated above PG must be burned in pyers NOW!

sorry reality and zero tolerance do not mix, it tends to toss baby and all out the window when the water is no longer warm...

is child porn a crime yes is it auto life (or soemthign like it)NO,taking child porn and harming kids should be , however possession of it should be smacked down to a level of minor drug possession.

One can not damn reason just because it appears to be a easier path to follow, when reason gets damned we can not backup dvds or buy modchips and we get spied on by our goverment becuse they are "protecting" us from the evil villains of the world and forgoing the laws that protect us from the goverment....because without reason the goverment can never hard its citizens.

if you watch it you are contributing to the abuse.burn in hell.

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if you watch it you are contributing to the abuse.burn in hell.

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My point being you can say the same damn thing about letting them watch films and play games that are above their age rating, you can't pile the pyres up over what amounts to a fcking misdemeanor, its the same thing as backups from the view of the corporations you are doing wrong even if you are not doing any wrong this is zero tolerance and tends to implode on itself.

is it a crime yes but lets bring it down to reality hell even go after thos that sell the stuff, that moeny most likely would go into the black market thus is more than worth while to "toss books around" however just having pics and not selling them makes for lite crime.

sorry man,nothing light about it.i would kill the sonofa##tch that did that to my kids.maybe you miss the point:if you cater to these sobs you are as guilty as they are.

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sorry man,nothing light about it.i would kill the sonofa##tch that did that to my kids.maybe you miss the point:if you cater to these sobs you are as guilty as they are.

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and the corporations have the right to kill you because you trample on them, no you miss my point



having pics:low crime (casualty is not 100%)
taking pics:High Crime
selling pics:High Crime
harming kids:High Crime

Comprehension mutherfcker do you have it? (god to much snakes on a plane >< for zippy)

For me its simple the havign the pics are not automatically evil (it still needs to be a crime),casualty is a lovely thing if the pics can keep some from harming kids then the better, however its still pics of real kids thus why its illicit regardless, however punishment must fit the crime and just having pics is not enough.

Zero tolerance at work over fake kidde porn
http://www.thebitchgirls.us/?p=7401

When Zero tolerance is involved no one wins no now is protected but the fools that pass failed bills to look good, last I checked the law that was pasted that made fiction(cartoons hentai,ect,ect) that had under 18/16 charatcers in it was made illicit again whos protected from zero tolerance?

Again zero tolerance damns the man for his crimes and the passer by for being there, damn the man for his "hobby" control the flow of real kiddie porn by making it the same as lesser drugs 2 or 3 convections for it and you get a "buddy" be it a social worker or parole officer and that person is in the system to be watched its imperfect but its no worse than what a real rapist or a druggie would get.

and again for what having kiddy porn and not selling it or taking the pictures,when the line is crossed a felony is made (selling/taking).
Oh ya one last thing to keep the fundies from claiming godwin over teeny breast shots "kiddy porn" ends at 14, at 15+ the crime is questionable pictures of adolescents,selling brings the same fines/time having kiddy porn however it is not a crime to won it unless thos in the pictures(or their parents) bring charges this is just to keep BF's and GFs from being labeled sex offenders by the zero tolerance machine.

of coarse one could say the ratio there of the later only shows up now and then and thus is ignored unless clear endangering of a minor is going on.

Still zero tolerance is a bad thing it makes a 16 yr with a 18yr GF a sex offender....

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I believe in the 3 strikes your dead law.
3 Felonies and we execute, no 10 years on death row, special courts made up of only judges to expedite the criminals leaving of the planet. Wake up people, do you know what it costs to keep a prisoner in jail? If these pieces of shit do not want to be a productive part of society then OK, bam, your not! And I do not want to hear from all the liberals who whine about ooh he had a bad childhood or his mommy didn't love him...bla bla bla bullshit. I think from a very young age we all know right from wrong, and if you do not want to live within societies rules then please don't. But don't make us all pay for your housing for the next fifty years either! Wake up people, crime is not getting better, it is more violent and blatant then ever before, and yes maybe the death penalty may not stop a criminal the first time.....but after they are dead they won't be able to do it again!

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you cant execute for 3 felonies unless its capital murder, so find another solution to our problems. Its unconstitutional ( I Know, damn constitition getting in the way of your revenge. It cost the average american about 30 a month to fund the prison system and gains how much from prison labor? (cant find any statistics on that I bet0 Actually the murder rate is almost half of what it was in 1984 so as far as you saying its far worse than before, where are your facts?

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if you watch it you are contributing to the abuse.burn in hell.

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If watching pictures of nude children contributes to the abuse then why does the news media stations show videos of children being violently hurt? Remember lately the white boy being beaten by 6 black boys? He didnt consent to that beating and I bet the person filming it wont be brought up on child porn charges? why not? Why is it legal to film them being violently hurt without their consent and show it to 100 million americans but not legal to take a nude picture of them with thier consent and show it to 10,000 people who actually wish to view it?
Because its sexual...Americans take issue with sex, we prefer violence here, thats why you can see simulated snuff at 3 pm on the sci fi channel but cant see a womans breast on doctor 90210. Just 10 years ago in the south the possession of regular adult porn brought prison time, I had a gf that was arressted for selling it, yes, regular adult porn. The issue isnt protecting kids, its stalling the further development of sexuality in americans, one more hurdle.
Also molestation=touching
penetration =sexual assault
molestation does not equal child rape. If an adult masturbates in the same room as a child then the child was molested according to the law. also 17 year olds consenting to sex are calling thier lovers molesters. I remember reading a man killed in jail because he "molested" his 17 year bf and video taped it. Grandpa was at the trial making most of the crude statements about the defendent. I think gramps didnt like know his grandson was gay. The news would rather call someone a molester than say what really happened. If the news didnt twist it around a little then you would less likely watch and not see that ad for dove soap.

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Originally posted by RNR1995:

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I believe in the 3 strikes your dead law.
3 Felonies and we execute, no 10 years on death row, special courts made up of only judges to expedite the criminals leaving of the planet. Wake up people, do you know what it costs to keep a prisoner in jail? If these pieces of shit do not want to be a productive part of society then OK, bam, your not! And I do not want to hear from all the liberals who whine about ooh he had a bad childhood or his mommy didn't love him...bla bla bla bullshit. I think from a very young age we all know right from wrong, and if you do not want to live within societies rules then please don't. But don't make us all pay for your housing for the next fifty years either! Wake up people, crime is not getting better, it is more violent and blatant then ever before, and yes maybe the death penalty may not stop a criminal the first time.....but after they are dead they won't be able to do it again!

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you cant execute for 3 felonies unless its capital murder, so find another solution to our problems. Its unconstitutional ( I Know, damn constitition getting in the way of your revenge. It cost the average american about 30 a month to fund the prison system and gains how much from prison labor? (cant find any statistics on that I bet0 Actually the murder rate is almost half of what it was in 1984 so as far as you saying its far worse than before, where are your facts?

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with all the sexual crime crap foalting on the net, zero tolerance time after time implodes on itself, I guess having "owning" kiddy porn is not direct ZT,getting in trouble for fake not real kiddy porn is, being sent away for having it is more like being sent away for repetitive minor crimes (like minor drug position).

Also if you look at your history with the march on gay porn,porn and what not and the puritan mindset that porn makes rapists you will find its not true, look at japan it has a "healthy" fictional market of demonic gory rape, and severely under age but it is fiction and dismissed as "hobbies", now am I saying real kiddie porn should be let in, no..... to many issues with the real stuff and because of all these issues it should be a restricted form of media but it should not be equal to killing someone or worse unless you engage in the the for profit trade or production of it.
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If watching pictures of nude children contributes to the abuse then why does the news media stations show videos of children being violently hurt? Remember lately the white boy being beaten by 6 black boys? He didnt consent to that beating and I bet the person filming it wont be brought up on child porn charges? why not? Why is it legal to film them being violently hurt without their consent and show it to 100 million americans but not legal to take a nude picture of them with thier consent and show it to 10,000 people who actually wish to view it?
Because its sexual...Americans take issue with sex, we prefer violence here, thats why you can see simulated snuff at 3 pm on the sci fi channel but cant see a womans breast on doctor 90210. Just 10 years ago in the south the possession of regular adult porn brought prison time, I had a gf that was arressted for selling it, yes, regular adult porn. The issue isnt protecting kids, its stalling the further development of sexuality in americans, one more hurdle.
Also molestation=touching
penetration =sexual assault
molestation does not equal child rape. If an adult masturbates in the same room as a child then the child was molested according to the law. also 17 year olds consenting to sex are calling thier lovers molesters. I remember reading a man killed in jail because he "molested" his 17 year bf and video taped it. Grandpa was at the trial making most of the crude statements about the defendent. I think gramps didnt like know his grandson was gay. The news would rather call someone a molester than say what really happened. If the news didnt twist it around a little then you would less likely watch and not see that ad for dove soap.

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Zero tolerance has a way to damn people by proxy even if their is casualty or not, the mindless puritan march to make things appear clean but not be so needs to end.

as for the media news or entertainment news as its called now, they have to ramp things up in order to sale them selfs so tis whoring all around from the news to the mastbaitng ambulance chaseing politicians and the real victims get DP'd from both sides, wheres the justice in that I wonder...

But really the moral order to ban the appearance of corruption to make the elite happy with their own OTT decadence is quite annoying.....

What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.

I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.

Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.

I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.

i stand by what i said.most of you are under 30 and have time to be idealistic.amptjer 10 years an pragmatic will be the norm.i knew better than my parents until i got a lot older.hold on to yours because its gone all too soon.

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What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.

I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.

Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.

I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.

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than all sexual addiction gets worse and everyone because rapists...no its just not the case, its like blaming media for stupid people since they copied a show or game, sorry its pseudo logic, there are more factors than "ZOMG sick sick eww", you it seems you are to caught up in being blinded by the "protect the childern destroy the world spew" than wanting to truly protect them.

oh and news flash capital punishment dosent work we have it and yet still have crime, altho one thing I am sure we can agree on rapists of all types need a bullet and not a cell.

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What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.

I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.

Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.

I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.

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you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma.

Zippy, although I often find your posts good reads, I must say your fascination with the media etc. has nothing to do with this in any way. This guy is perverse...fascinating about children is not something popular media condonesat at all, in any way. This guy is not a sex crazy nympho, rather a sick human being that needs some serious psychological help.

And I agree with 7thsinger, I sure as hell do not want my taxes being spent on this guy...

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What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.

I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.

Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.

I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.

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you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma.

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ouch nicely put!

but really how dose a adult defend freedom and life and be just you can not take life needlessly if you do the way our system is now you will damn innocent life anyway, ramp up castration on the rapists and gt more workers parole or otherwise to help guide repeat offenders, why dose it seem to be rapists are giving a better chance to return to society than the rest?

There will always be outcasts in society but cant we try harder to not send them away forever but to get them out of the slums and get them into jobs and some form of a normal life or is this just Utopian nonsense?


svtstang
true the the "media age" analogy to this is bad, a better one is someone that downlaods music and movies for free off the net, both are a crime both do 2ndary harm if any.

However the main diffrance here one is a crime that if caught you should be on a intimite basis with the law, heres the thing we catch release them and watch them if rule 1,2 or 3(1.harming kids,2.taking pictures of them 3.selling them) then they need to go away for awhile but just having the pics is not enough to send someone away on.

the US is totally fcked by kids as they are used as a fulcrum by which teh nanny nazis damn the world, should they be protected, in protecting them should logic be raped with a dead horse....no

My point is still the charges are to harsh for just having pics, fck I have ran across them(last time I troll news groups for game images/hentai *shudders*) so I must be guilty too becuse I have them right right?

fcking mofos weres the goddamn casualty!
(paraphrasing using the F bomb,do not be afraid of it its PG13 friendly now adays LOL)

Basically this leads to all kinds of of trumped up charges being filed its alot like being tied into terrorism when you are just a petty criminal, through this they can look for CP/IP stuff find it and claim 3 or 5 pics in a cache makes you a child predator, and its thats not vuage enough what about all the free porn clips roaming around if its looks younger than 18 they are good to go toss you away.

casualty and reason, casualty and reason, casualty and reason, its never a good thing to to toss these out for moral whims.

In final

Pics:fines confiscation,minor jail time all good.
Selling pics:fines confiscation hevy jail time and more if part of a ring.

Harming kids:automatic "black mark" I really wish we could just remove them from creation, the trouble is if we start to easily take any life innocents will start being harmed by proxy.

A real balance in things protects as much life as possible while dispensing as much justice as needed.

I cant beleive there is people in here defending the peadophile,he deserves the time he got.
He downloaded disgusting acts of molestation on children he was contributing to the problem of chid pornography.
If you download it you are as guilty as the one who took and put the image on the net.
This horendous crime needs to be stopped and isps can do a lot more than they are doing.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM
than all sexual addiction gets worse and everyone because rapists...no its just not the case, its like blaming media for stupid people since they copied a show or game, sorry its pseudo logic, there are more factors than "ZOMG sick sick eww", you it seems you are to caught up in being blinded by the "protect the childern destroy the world spew" than wanting to truly protect them.

oh and news flash capital punishment dosent work we have it and yet still have crime, altho one thing I am sure we can agree on rapists of all types need a bullet and not a cell.[/quote:

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No, not all sexual addiction leads to violent acts of sexual abuse. But, having a picture or two on your pc of a child engaged in a sexual act is wrong. Having a slew of them and distributing them is even further past that line. Addicts like to cross lines, that's the rabid part off addiction. Am i saying treat him like he's actually mistreated a child? No, because at this point he hasn't. But don't lay off 'em either he was circulating pictures of children.

Originally posted by LeoH30
you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma. [/quote:

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@LeoH30

My grandma is/was a productive member of society. Not a child porn distribution center. Big difference there.
Also, it's not about saving money. I don't mind spending money for a good cause. Making sure some criminal has three meals a day, a personal gym, access to free schooling, cable, and free health care however is not how i'd spend the money i work so hard to make. You dig?

7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.

your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.

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I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

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Now that isn't very nice Zippy! We all are entitled to our opinions as are you.

Group hug :)

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I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

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Now that isn't very nice Zippy! We all are entitled to our opinions as are you.

Group hug :)

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Ah but the way things are setup it can happen , this is why zero tolerance dose not need to be used for anything.

as for the time served 10 to 1 he gets less than 6 years because theres no room for him in jail and his offense was about harming pictures, the reality of things are you cant send away soemone for life just because, you need reason, this lacks it, what should be is a fine of 2$ a pic, find of 2 days a pic thats a few months served + community service and or a parole officer there dues paid,please come again, this is how it should be for all minor crimes.

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7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.

your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.

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People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.

If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.

I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.

It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.

The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.

And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.

This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.

Originally posted by marcusita:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.

your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.

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People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.

If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.

I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.

It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.

The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.

And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.

This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.

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you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!

And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).

but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.

thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by marcusita:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.

your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.

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People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.

If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.

I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.

It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.

The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.

And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.

This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.

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you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!

And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).

but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.

thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.

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People like this support the people that take these pictures and create this market. By circulating this particular type of filth this man is supporting those that DO hurt the children involved. Everything trickles down somehow. Is he the same as the sickos that took the pictures? No. Should five or six years be all this man recieves? No. He may not (and we'll never actually know for sure, now will we) have ever hurt a child in this manner. But he's still keeping the market alive by intentionally downloading and circulating these photos.

As far as the zero tolerance thing: it doesn't work, but neither does our modern system. I.E. Michael Jackson and child molestation/abuse charges more than once, never convicted.

And opinions are exactly that. Opinions. To call other peoples opinions "stupid remarks" (Marcusita) or "arrogant and foolish" (Zippy) is not really fair. Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.

lol fags are noobs lololololololol

Originally posted by 7thsinger:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by marcusita:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.

Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.

your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.

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People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.

If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.

I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.

It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.

The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.

And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.

This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.

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you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!

And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).

but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.

thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.

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People like this support the people that take these pictures and create this market. By circulating this particular type of filth this man is supporting those that DO hurt the children involved. Everything trickles down somehow. Is he the same as the sickos that took the pictures? No. Should five or six years be all this man recieves? No. He may not (and we'll never actually know for sure, now will we) have ever hurt a child in this manner. But he's still keeping the market alive by intentionally downloading and circulating these photos.

As far as the zero tolerance thing: it doesn't work, but neither does our modern system. I.E. Michael Jackson and child molestation/abuse charges more than once, never convicted.

And opinions are exactly that. Opinions. To call other peoples opinions "stupid remarks" (Marcusita) or "arrogant and foolish" (Zippy) is not really fair. Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.

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so we contenuie in vain to not stop anything because its to difficult to do?
the system is broken and more interested in keeping idiots in presion than real criminals, all this dose is make the system worse by stuffing jails with people who should be under the watchful eye of the system as so they can be tracked and subjected better than to be tossed away and forgotten only to be let out after a hand full of years.

As for MJ or even OJ we need a jury system that can not be rigged by either sides, being able to preview and "sort" is not a good thing, altho I wonder if the sorting process can be dumbed down to a 5 part qustionaire that weeds out the stupid people, the trouble with the current setup is both sides can review and toss out any one with brain..

I dislike most here is the trumped up charges that he wont serve, the appearance of things being done right has for too long tooken hold and made so much just not work anymore....

@thekingo7

so sexual orientation has a direct and linked affect on how many posts a person puts on here? Very smart. Thanks for you two cents on that one. Glad to see you've posted enough to leave the fag status behind you.

@Zippy

No, i don't think our country and judicial system should leave something broken broken just for the sake of the difficulty at fixing it. And i do agree that some lesser criminals are housed wrongly because our current system has flaws. I don't know that it neccessarily applies to the situation we're discussing. I feel that this type of conduct and behavior should be dealt with in a stiff enough manner as to cause the perpetrator to desist his disgusting fondness for children. Fines --i don't believe-- would be a harsh enough punishment if left as the sole punishment. I think being tagged in the showers by Bubba and Snowflake ('cause every prison has "sisters" named Bubba and Snowflake) might make him think twice about going back and therefore think four times about what he did that landed him there. It's a well known fact that any kind of child abusers --no matter the extent-- are not treated well by faculty and inmates. I feel whatever prison time they can stick him with would be better than fine(s).
And you're right, the charges are trumped up and he won't have to deal with half of them. The system is trying to make it appear that they are doing their part. Most of those charges won't stick.

And you're absolutely right about our jury system. No argument there.

@ 7thsinger

#1 Why dont you quit being a twat and go sell some cars.
#2 You're a CAR SALESMAN so .......
#3 I was j/k when I posted that mainly because this thread has gone so far south.
#4 You're a car salesman.
#5 If you quote the boondock saints then why are you such a little bleep.
#6 I love gay people so quit taking things so seriously.
#7 You are a car salesman.

I seriously get pissed off when people manage to get so involved in a topic and take on the role of Arbiter of the thread. Honestly go sell some cars, maybe in a few years you might make the small climb up the corporate ladder of a crappy car dealership.

Look everybody the Politically correct king just got owned by a highschooler.

PS: To the mods I'm sorry at how offensive this got. I'm friends with many of you guys, but you know how riled I can get.

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@ 7thsinger

#1 Why dont you quit being a twat and go sell some cars.
#2 You're a CAR SALESMAN so fuck off.
#3 I was j/k when I posted that mainly because this thread has gone so far south.
#4 You're a car salesman.
#5 If you quote the boondock saints then why are you such a little bitch.
#6 I love gay people so quit taking things so seriously.
#7 You are a car salesman.

I seriously get pissed off when people manage to get so involved in a topic and take on the role of Arbiter of the thread. Honestly go sell some cars, maybe in a few years you might make the small climb up the corporate ladder of a crappy car dealership.

Look everybody the Politically correct king just got owned by a highschooler.

PS: To the mods I'm sorry at how offensive this got. I'm friends with many of you guys, but you know how riled I can get.

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1. I'm neither a twat, nor do i sell cars.
2. I'm a service manager, i run the service department.
3. I missed your joke and therefore apologize.
4. Refer to number two.
5. I'm not a little b*tch and i love the Boondock Saints. I've met Troy Duffy twice.
6. I don't mind gay people in the least, but prefer not to be referred to as one. Common courtesy kind of thing.
7. Refer to number 2.

I wasn't aribtrating anything. Just juggling ideas with others, which i thought to be the whole idea of threads like this. Then you come in with an off the wall insult that was neither deserved, nor asked for. So why am i the a-hole here?
I'm not the politically correct king, nor was i owned. And before you respond with another misinformed list of insults, allow me to point out that i have done nothing deserving of anything you've said to me yet.

Ummm.. I kick ass? I thoguh everyone knew that.

@thekingo7
Cool it.

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Then please don't post it in an open public forum.

I'm not favoring anyone at all and haven't read thru the whole thread yet - but this line stood out
Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.
Let's stop all the insults.
I started to clean up the language but well didn't finish yet so let's all keep it clean.

I think child pornography of ALL form should be punished.

This guy Zippy just Dosnt understand that downloading child pornography is contributing to the problem.

I GIVE UP

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I think child pornography of ALL form should be punished.

This guy Zippy just Dosnt understand that downloading child pornography is contributing to the problem.

I GIVE UP

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and you don't understand on the scale of things its lower than muder or assault but for a few instances.

Alot of the child victims are murdered and all are raped of course. People who watch and share this kind of stuff deserve the same punishment as the makers of it in my eyes. They should be removed from the human gene pool ASAP, however life in prison for a paedofile is a far worse punishment than death.

I understand the general points that Zippy and Leo and some of the others are trying to make. Although they are coming across as defending child pornography, I think what they're saying is that the punishments, in some cases, don't appear to fit the crime. Very recent studies of pornography have indicated that they may be right. Sexual crimes of almost all types are statistically headed downwards. The reason, these studies suggest, is the easy access that almost every person has to pornography via the internet. Contrary to most peoples beliefs, it appears that regular exposure to hard-core porn via the internet is what is driving this decrease. Seems the doomsday predictions of internet porno-crazed sexual predators hiding behind every bush weren't correct. I would agree that sending pictures of kiddie porn across the internet is not akin to committing murder. Ultimately, though, we allow the concensus of the majority of the people to shape our law, and sexual matters of all types seems to get nearly everybody going. Indeed, there are some extreme views surrounding sex. But our harsh laws for child molesters and kiddie porn reflect the wishes of the majority of the people. This unevenness in punishment is similar to the laws that we have passed trying to stem the drug problem. It's possible in many states to get more time for selling quantities of pot than it is for killing someone. Most progressive thinkers would agree that this is just plain wrong. At any rate, I agree that there is more hysteria and misinformation surrounding sex than just about anything. IMHO, this is in large part due to organized religion, I'm sorry to say. Kiddie porn aside, let's not forget that sex is a beautiful thing and humans are driven to - and meant to have - sex.

Remove them from the gene pool? Rot in prison? I just don't get it. The people being nailed to the stake may very well be the children of yesterday that you once defended, that are screwed up because they themselves were abused. Maybe it didn't affect them to the extent that they go out and perform the same acts on other children. They go as far as downloading pictures and get their jolly's in private. Can that lead to action? Yes, probably. Which is why if caught with pictures, something should be done as a preventive measure, other than incarceration. Therapy, or have a court order to keep them off the internet. Save the severe punishment for that person if he/she decides to act on those debased cravings. Make them realize that there are consequences for continued viewing and obtaining. Many people may go for years without getting caught. In most cases of troubled and abused people, the reality of what is wrong sets in when it is brought to light and shown in their face. These harsh punishments for thinking the wrong way do society no good. It's elitist and pigheaded to believe that anyone who doesn't think like you should be punished. The world is too diverse and the reality of may peoples lives are too severe to think that way. There are too many crimes committed against people and too little compassion. The fact that people are thrown into prison for viewing anything is troubling. Viewing is not the same thing as acting. If people were not viewing, I guarantee that the violent acts against children would still go on. Just fewer people may know about it, including the authorities.

Now I can understand if there was evidence that he was tied to an inner circle that actually did the abusing. Anyone who abuses anyone else in any form should be punished. And with a child, it should be severe IMO. If I found out that my neighbor abused my child, I would personally beat him to a bloody pulp and gouge his eyeballs out with a spoon. But I agree with Zippy. The punishment has to fit the crime. I don't defend this guy specifically, since I don't know the inner details of the case, but my opinion is that viewing should not hold the same weight as acting in such a debased way.

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therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.

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What others is he distributing to besides other pedophiles? The average person does not stumble on chld porn and become addicted. IMO, if someone is out looking for it, then the people who have it are just like him/her. If someone like that did not have internet access, they would probably be getting their jolly's alone somewhere.

Did this man harm a child? Was this man creating the images by photographing or video taping someone harming a child? Did this man profit from or finance from the distribution of the pornography? If the answer to these questions is no, than what exactly is the crime?
If looking at pictures of an illegal activity is a crime, wouldn't it be a crime to buy an issue of "High Times"? Wouldn't it be a crime to see videos of violence and assault on the local news everyday? When someone could go to jail for looking at a picture, what's next - arresting someone for "bad" thoughts?

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Did this man harm... Was this man creating... Did this man profit... [then] what exactly is the crime?

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He was perpetuating a behavior per-designated by our society as being illegal. Then judged by a jury of his peers & summarily ruled to be guilty of all counts in violations there of. Had it just been HIM, no one else, deplorable as our society deems it, the attention to his behavior would have gone unnoticed & rendered your argument somewhat valid.

Given that adults in compromising sexual poses (in most part) are compensated & doing so under their own free will, children in these case are most certainly NOT. We in this case don't know all the details (I'm not so sure I want to know, I've worked a few child abuse cases) & can certainly find no reason on this planet to justify objectifying children for this kind of gratification.

Thus, it wasn't the "Thought Police" that arrested him. It was the Kiddy Porn patrol that arrested him. Pedophiles will justify their behavior in the most convincing manner imaginable & strikingly by berrying under layers of removed guilt. I.e., if you hadn't built that grade school 50 years ago in front of me I wouldn't have molested those 15 kids when I moved in here last month.

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Did this man harm a child? Was this man creating the images by photographing or video taping someone harming a child? Did this man profit from or finance from the distribution of the pornography? If the answer to these questions is no, than what exactly is the crime?
If looking at pictures of an illegal activity is a crime, wouldn't it be a crime to buy an issue of "High Times"? Wouldn't it be a crime to see videos of violence and assault on the local news everyday? When someone could go to jail for looking at a picture, what's next - arresting someone for "bad" thoughts?

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every time someone downloads or views child porn they are harming children.do you think that if no one had anything to do with it it would be as big as it is? that children would be bought and sold and exploited as they are? you may not be harming them directly but there is no difference in my eyes.