I've used the Metro interface, and it annoyed me more, each second I used it. I'd almost rather chew sand.

Win7 was pretty good on release, and the early flaws were quickly fixed. It runs plenty fast. Sure, a faster boot would be nice, but let's get real, shall we? My current Win7 x64 Ultimate desktop boots in roughly 30 seconds 'til the desktop shows, 45 seconds (total) 'til complete. That's plenty fast. My games (the main thing I use my computer for) run just fine, at max settings. That's fast enough, FFS.

I'll bother with Win8 *IF* they:
- Make the Metro interface completely optional, and/or fix the integration between the Metro interface and the traditional desktop. The current situation is a horrible kluge, nothing more. I don't care about the Start button, particularly (I use icons on my desktop), I care about how it all goes together, capice?
- Stop trying to force all software acquisition through the new store.
- Stop trying to cram even more useless DRM down my throat.
- Stop trying to force even more "console-ification" of the OS. Win7 already has just about the maximum dumbing-down I can stand, as it is; Win8 is FAR worse, IMO.

Furthermore, M$ pretty much screwed nearly all software developers' workflow. There's no incremental change here, it's ALL different, with new requirements that are NOT particularly intuitive.

There's absolutely nothing preventing M$ from simply releasing 2 versions of Win8, with a more traditional desktop for PCs, and the "Metro" interface (but Win8 inner workings) for tablets. Trying to push a touch interface on PC users that do not have a touch screen is simply boneheaded. Frankly, I'll never want a touch screen for my desktop PC; it's already enough of a PITA cleaning fingerprints off of my Android phone =p ...

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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I've used the Metro interface, and it annoyed me more, each second I used it. I'd almost rather chew sand.

Win7 was pretty good on release, and the early flaws were quickly fixed. It runs plenty fast. Sure, a faster boot would be nice, but let's get real, shall we? My current Win7 x64 Ultimate desktop boots in roughly 30 seconds 'til the desktop shows, 45 seconds (total) 'til complete. That's plenty fast. My games (the main thing I use my computer for) run just fine, at max settings. That's fast enough, FFS.

I'll bother with Win8 *IF* they:
- Make the Metro interface completely optional, and/or fix the integration between the Metro interface and the traditional desktop. The current situation is a horrible kluge, nothing more. I don't care about the Start button, particularly (I use icons on my desktop), I care about how it all goes together, capice?
- Stop trying to force all software acquisition through the new store.
- Stop trying to cram even more useless DRM down my throat.
- Stop trying to force even more "console-ification" of the OS. Win7 already has just about the maximum dumbing-down I can stand, as it is; Win8 is FAR worse, IMO.

Furthermore, M$ pretty much screwed nearly all software developers' workflow. There's no incremental change here, it's ALL different, with new requirements that are NOT particularly intuitive.

There's absolutely nothing preventing M$ from simply releasing 2 versions of Win8, with a more traditional desktop for PCs, and the "Metro" interface (but Win8 inner workings) for tablets. Trying to push a touch interface on PC users that do not have a touch screen is simply boneheaded. Frankly, I'll never want a touch screen for my desktop PC; it's already enough of a PITA cleaning fingerprints off of my Android phone =p ...

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i like the idea of two versions of win8.you make more sense in this post than some of the others put together.

Originally posted by SoTired:

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rojoone2, I see a trend, but not the one you describe.

The trend is that whenever something different come out, people complain that it is lame and that they won't use it. Remember when people were saying what a disaster the iPad would be, because it is nothing more than a big iTouch? (See http://www.pcworld.com/article/188049/A...nother_DOA.html )

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All tablets are a waste of time really, the ipad sales aren't because it's super great and everyone really wants ones it's just the hardcore apple fans buying them.

The sales for the ipad aren't super.

my parents have an ipad and prefer to use a laptop to look stuff up because the ipad doesn't have external storage and stuff so you can't save stuff any where else and because it's all special connections or removed connections and special file transfer protocols you can't just go and buy HDDs to hook up to the ipad.

A lot of people don't agree with you, xtago. It makes sense; that call can only be made by individuals, after all.

Regarding iPad sales, they're "super" enough to make Apple - quite literally - TONS of cash, which is all Apple really gives a crap about. They're still (at least one of) the best tablet lines out there. Sure, there are issues, and I personally don't care for them, but *shrug* so what? The Applites like 'em.

As for how "useful" tablets in general are, hell, my desktop PC is a far-too-expensive games machine, nothing more. Don't try to act as if actual practicality drives ANY non-commercial hardware sales - lol...

I'll elaborate why Windows 8 (at least in its current incarnation) is crap, in my opinion:

- The Metro interface, itself. I don't use a touchscreen on my desktop PC, nor do I desire one. The fingerprint smudges and bad ergonomics do not work for me. Nor do I care to shell out a ton of cash for a new 1920x1080 monitor, thank you very much, the Samsung I currently use works very well.

If you don't use Metro with a touchscreen, it gets very, VERY annoying.

- Bad integration of Metro with the rest of the OS. Nothing is more infuriating about Win8, than being told the traditional desktop is unnecessary, then having Metro dump you to that desktop for a large number of tasks. It's not the missing Start menu (which I personally hardly use), by the way, that bothers me.

- Far too much emphasis on the new Windows Store. I'm sure M$ would love to create the same type of ecosystem Android and Apple have. I just don't care to play along on my PC. They're pushing the idea way too hard; as soon as somebody refers to "sideloading" software for my PC, I want to hurt someone.

M$ would love for people to start using "apps" on PCs the way they do on mobile devices. Not gonna happen, any more than I'm buying into the "cloud computing" nonsense.

- Even more emphasis on DRM. I'm not using a PC to please the MPAA/RIAA or the BSA/SIIA.

- Complete paradigm change for developers. I don't particularly care about large companies, but *many* indie developers simply won't be able to absorb the cost of changing their entire workflow, which they designed around Microsoft's recommended/required tools.

Again people..........METRO IS ONLY A FRACTION OF THE "major" CHANGES IN WINDOWS 8. It's effectively a new START menu. Try it. I've only found that Netflix isn't very nice with 8 but it will be incorporated into the WMC when 8 is "Officially" released.

Haters!


Don't like MS products like the schmo that ragged on "All MS products since Windows 2000"................THEN DON'T F'ING USE THEM!!!!!!!

Sorry, hearme0, but claiming that a major change to the GUI of a GUI-based OS is "minor" shows a lack of understanding of what an OS is for. Additionally, a lot of the complaints you're responding to are from people who HAVE tried it, and hate it.

No one is obliged to use any particular product, that's true. And a lot of people are choosing *not* to use this stinker of an OS. Get over it, and stop acting like you have any real say in the matter either way; people will do exactly what they want to. Win7 is due for years more of official support, and works ju-u-ust fine.

I'm sure you defended Vista with as much vigor =3 ...