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Sony patents way to block used games

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Sony has patented new technology that can block the use of used games on consoles. The patent is for tech that will match individual game discs to user accounts, blocking gameplay for games that have already been played on another user's account. Each disc will have a contactless tag that can be read by the console, similar to NFC/RFID. Reads the patent (via EuroGamer): "When the ...

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#26
Is Sony aware that many game shops make their income mostly on pre-owned games ?.

In the shop's near me people are still buying ps2/xbox games, in fact there is more pre-owned shelf's then there is new shelf's.
If people could not buy and sell their games back then these shop's would go bust/bankrupt fast and then no games will sell.

Digital download copies don't work ether here in the UK as there is a lack of fibre optic broadband outside of London.
For me it took a around 10 hours to download "crysis 2 maximum edition" and I'm 4mb connection which most people in my area is 2-3mb and not unlimited.

So if Sony decides no more pre-owned games it will cause a lost in shops that sells the games, then no games will be sold as there will be no shops for it.

I don't think i'll buy a ps4 at this rate when the time comes, it will be xbox 720/wii-U and tablet gaming(tegra 4 will be a beast).

I must be able to by pre-owned games and that is a fact!.


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#27
I guess that means Sony will also be out of the Games Rental Market as well, with the PS4. Surely that's a massive loss for Sony right there? I'm a die hard Playstation user, but even I hope they Crash and Burn over this one!!!
#28
Great! Justifiable elimination of "fair use".

WTF are they to say I can't buy a game from someone else that's done playing it??????? U.S. sucks! (I'm from Chicago)
#29
I hope car-makers don't get any ideas from this.
#30
This would be a sad day for all of those that own a Playstation and don't have an internet connection. For without the connection, their system which apparently looks like it archives these codes would fail. And Sony is the type to make sure that you would have to have an internet connection if they are going this far...
#31
Originally posted by ronatola:
I hope car-makers don't get any ideas from this.
My thought exactly. Could you imagine no longer being able to sell or buy a used car? Fat chance this'll ever be implemented.
#32
Originally posted by BigDDub:
Originally posted by ronatola:
I hope car-makers don't get any ideas from this.
My thought exactly. Could you imagine no longer being able to sell or buy a used car? Fat chance this'll ever be implemented.
I can see it but they will lose. They already do it with the add on's

Hey take it easy
#33
Originally posted by squewheet1:
I am a die hard play station user but if this happens I will sell all my play station stuff.

If this happens you won't be able to

Keep your head up, keep alert, and don't let them take you by suprise.
#34
I have seen gaming evole into something like this for years, seems that everytime I get an EA or ubisoft game now im opening myself up for more abuse with their always connected to the internet crap, and registration crap, and new downloadable content crap on release day, and in-game advertizing "to reduce production costs" but not really. I love gaming but hate getting screwed by gaming companies. hate to be a negative nancy but things are getting suck real quick. yes I said things are getting suck. At this point I would believe these companies would do just about anything to give me crap product for as much as they can steal from me. Long live the Humble Bundle. Thanks for letting me rant.

Keep your head up, keep alert, and don't let them take you by suprise.
#35
Originally posted by dodger5:
I have seen gaming evole into something like this for years, seems that everytime I get an EA or ubisoft game now im opening myself up for more abuse with their always connected to the internet crap, and registration crap, and new downloadable content crap on release day, and in-game advertizing "to reduce production costs" but not really. I love gaming but hate getting screwed by gaming companies. hate to be a negative nancy but things are getting suck real quick. yes I said things are getting suck. At this point I would believe these companies would do just about anything to give me crap product for as much as they can steal from me. Long live the Humble Bundle. Thanks for letting me rant.
LOL good one. To add to it. Whats up with the loading just to go to a menu that you can only just push the start or "X" button to just let it load some more!!!!! Hate that.

Hey take it easy
#36
Originally posted by dodger5:
I have seen gaming evole into something like this for years, seems that everytime I get an EA or ubisoft game now im opening myself up for more abuse with their always connected to the internet crap, and registration crap, and new downloadable content crap on release day, and in-game advertizing "to reduce production costs" but not really. I love gaming but hate getting screwed by gaming companies. hate to be a negative nancy but things are getting suck real quick. yes I said things are getting suck. At this point I would believe these companies would do just about anything to give me crap product for as much as they can steal from me. Long live the Humble Bundle. Thanks for letting me rant.
Even the companies that don't pull that crap find other ways to screw customers. Right now I can't play Hitman Absolution because Steam crashed while I was online...now it won't load offline mode because I didn't shut it down while it was online and it won't load online mode because it has decided that I am not online (?HOW AM I POSTING THIS?). Can't uninstall it because to redownload one game would cost me my entire monthly data allotment. I think I'm just going to download some cracks...and since I cannot load Steam and they don't release games on disk anymore apparently, the only options left would appear to be torrents and usenet.
#37
killer, did steam crash on your computer or did the steam site crash?
#38
im going on record and saying this is for digital downloads only since on any home system it would be a wasted effort they would have to let users have a way to remove it from there account if you change you system or you rent the game or if you are not at home and you want to play it at a friends house for that pipe dream of family game time they try to shove down our throats
#39
Originally posted by deak91:
im going on record and saying this is for digital downloads only since on any home system it would be a wasted effort they would have to let users have a way to remove it from there account if you change you system or you rent the game or if you are not at home and you want to play it at a friends house for that pipe dream of family game time they try to shove down our throats
I didn't know there was such a thing as 'used games' for digital downloads though.
#40
Originally posted by Tazer247:
Originally posted by deak91:
im going on record and saying this is for digital downloads only since on any home system it would be a wasted effort they would have to let users have a way to remove it from there account if you change you system or you rent the game or if you are not at home and you want to play it at a friends house for that pipe dream of family game time they try to shove down our throats
I didn't know there was such a thing as 'used games' for digital downloads though.
Some websites support trading digital games, I think steam is one off them but don't quote me on it ;).
#41
here's a quote from VGenscher:

Quote:
Some websites support trading digital games

#42
Sony are a bunch of fools. If they do that 2 things are possible.

1. No one buys the new PS due to the game blocking function, and games coming out with this function won't be bought. Thus Sony and game makers loose.

2. EB Games and other used disk providers loose lots of money and maybe go out of business.

I do see the used game console market getting over run and prices going up if people don't want to deal with that new process.

Another thing that irritates me is the fact that the game is matched to that console. Your console dies. Guess what, you have to also buy another game. That is where I don't like their lame ass idea.
#43
Originally posted by ddp:
killer, did steam crash on your computer or did the steam site crash?
The application crashed...had to use "end process tree" on it. Got back in today by tethering to my phone...after it started I closed it and backed up the whole folder so I can restore it the next time it happens. I also set my firewall to block it so it will always be in offline mode unless I need to be online to get a game.


#44
Hell, KillerBug, at that point, you may as well crack the damn game =x . Not like you're stealing it, after all.
#45
RickRock33 Unverified new user
I still don't see how game developers are going to see any increase in revenue from this move. Hardcore gamers drive the industry especially when the casual gamers are being fickle about spending money on games. This will do nothing but force hardcore gamers to jump off the Sony train on principle alone. Hate to be the company known for killing itself by making the most bonehead move ever. When Sony or another company uses this their competition will immediately win the console war. Will this even work if someone does not have their connected to the internet? With no connection how are they ever going to record the console and game ID relationship into their records?

Just thought of something. What if the game companies do this and kill gamestop, gamefly, and any other store making money this way. After the dust settles we see Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo stores open up all over the place. Replacing the game stores we used to go to. They could become the only stores we could buy their used games from. Plus other gaming accessories of course.

I guess a less dramatic possibility is they use this to somehow force stores selling used games to pay a fee to allow the games they sell to be played by customers. I think this makes more sense and will allow them to increase revenue without doing much of anything on their side. What will suck is it would force used games to increase in price.
#46
Originally posted by Mysttic:
In theory this may not even be about their own technology. This may be about MS stating they were debating doing the same thing, and so Sony wanted to jump the gun on the patent first, so that if MS did incorporate into their technology, they'd have to pay Sony fees on every system.
Maybe, but I don't think MS is that stupid. Remember that it was Sony/BMG that had that root kit program Trojan horse. And the big mess they made when they came out with the remove program that made things even worse. Sony is being a bunch of idiots and they wonder why they got hacked a few years ago.
#47
I have a very strange feeling that this will probably end up in the courts!

Most of Sony's boneheaded moves like the root kit usually do...and they also usually get their HEADS handed to them by a judge...I see nothing new here.

Sony introduces this and Sony gets sued and loses bigtime, Sony removes the DRM and life goes on.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 07 Jan 2013 @ 22:31
#48
Originally posted by RickRock33:
I still don't see how game developers are going to see any increase in revenue from this move. Hardcore gamers drive the industry especially when the casual gamers are being fickle about spending money on games. This will do nothing but force hardcore gamers to jump off the Sony train on principle alone. Hate to be the company known for killing itself by making the most bonehead move ever. When Sony or another company uses this their competition will immediately win the console war. Will this even work if someone does not have their connected to the internet? With no connection how are they ever going to record the console and game ID relationship into their records?

Just thought of something. What if the game companies do this and kill gamestop, gamefly, and any other store making money this way. After the dust settles we see Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo stores open up all over the place. Replacing the game stores we used to go to. They could become the only stores we could buy their used games from. Plus other gaming accessories of course.

I guess a less dramatic possibility is they use this to somehow force stores selling used games to pay a fee to allow the games they sell to be played by customers. I think this makes more sense and will allow them to increase revenue without doing much of anything on their side. What will suck is it would force used games to increase in price.
I am guessing, that some how, sony will have their consoles keeping track of the games wether you are online or not and locking out games. Now if you never go online, and your console dies, then you might be able to keep the game going. But, if some how, someone goes online, then you are lost on all games. Just a thought.
#49
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#50
Originally posted by warhascom:
Originally posted by RickRock33:
I still don't see how game developers are going to see any increase in revenue from this move. Hardcore gamers drive the industry especially when the casual gamers are being fickle about spending money on games. This will do nothing but force hardcore gamers to jump off the Sony train on principle alone. Hate to be the company known for killing itself by making the most bonehead move ever. When Sony or another company uses this their competition will immediately win the console war. Will this even work if someone does not have their connected to the internet? With no connection how are they ever going to record the console and game ID relationship into their records?

Just thought of something. What if the game companies do this and kill gamestop, gamefly, and any other store making money this way. After the dust settles we see Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo stores open up all over the place. Replacing the game stores we used to go to. They could become the only stores we could buy their used games from. Plus other gaming accessories of course.

I guess a less dramatic possibility is they use this to somehow force stores selling used games to pay a fee to allow the games they sell to be played by customers. I think this makes more sense and will allow them to increase revenue without doing much of anything on their side. What will suck is it would force used games to increase in price.
I am guessing, that some how, sony will have their consoles keeping track of the games wether you are online or not and locking out games. Now if you never go online, and your console dies, then you might be able to keep the game going. But, if some how, someone goes online, then you are lost on all games. Just a thought.
Even if someone does not connect to the internet there is methods to check the disk, for example I have a card swiper(from my bank) with as a authenticator built into it, its not got any WiFi but yet it still connects to a server and downloads a 8 digit code. I believe its down with a simcard/chip already paid for life(sony deal with company X) just built to receive and send 8 digit id's.
Doing so will make offline users block able.
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