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Windows 8 price increases go into effect on February 1st

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Microsoft has announced today the end of its introductory pricing for Windows 8 upgrades. As of February 1st, the following are the new prices (via BI): The Windows 8 Pro upgrade edition will be available online and at retail for $199.99 MSRP (U.S.). The Windows 8 upgrade edition will be available online and at retail for $119.99 MSRP (U.S.). The Windows 8 Pro Pack will cost $99.99 MSRP (U.S.). ...

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#26
Ridiculous comment based on no real usage of the product. Learn it and you'll like it
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#27
Originally posted by jjmehm:
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
It's no hassle at all, you'll be able to keep all of your stuff. and Honestly, while there is a pretty steep learning curve, after I got used to it, I found that I can actually work more efficiently on Windows 8, but that's just me. I think 90% of people's problems stem from trouble adapting to change, and 10% are actual concerns. Your biggest problem will probably be your hardware which is likely very outdated. Windows 8 requires at least 2GB of RAM and very few windows XP computers shipped with that much, but you likely have at least a 1ghz processor, so look into your machine's specs to determine if a hardware upgrade will be worth it for you. :) Oh, I almost forgot, if you upgrade from XP, you will lose most of your installed programs, but get to keep your files. Best of luck!
Thanks - Looks like the RAM will be a problem. I have an 8400 Pentium 4 550 (3.4GHz) processor, but only 1GB DDR2 SDRAM at 533 MHz. Whaaa.
#28
Originally posted by Delljunk:
Originally posted by jjmehm:
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
It's no hassle at all, you'll be able to keep all of your stuff. and Honestly, while there is a pretty steep learning curve, after I got used to it, I found that I can actually work more efficiently on Windows 8, but that's just me. I think 90% of people's problems stem from trouble adapting to change, and 10% are actual concerns. Your biggest problem will probably be your hardware which is likely very outdated. Windows 8 requires at least 2GB of RAM and very few windows XP computers shipped with that much, but you likely have at least a 1ghz processor, so look into your machine's specs to determine if a hardware upgrade will be worth it for you. :) Oh, I almost forgot, if you upgrade from XP, you will lose most of your installed programs, but get to keep your files. Best of luck!
Thanks - Looks like the RAM will be a problem. I have an 8400 Pentium 4 550 (3.4GHz) processor, but only 1GB DDR2 SDRAM at 533 MHz. Whaaa.
yeah...though the goodnews is that it's probably DDR1 RAM, so you can pick a few stick up pretty cheap on ebay
#29
Originally posted by jwnoord:
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
if you can afford FREE

UBUNTU LINUX and a windows emulator

or Buy some RAM and a "newer" graphics card and you are good to go.
Thank you -- Will have to look into the costs. Can't really afford anything right now though.
#30
Originally posted by juaneryle:
I have Windows 8 on my desktop and I'm not impressed. When I'm in desktop mode, I find myself seaching for the Start button. No dvd playback and bland GUI spell trouble when you throw in these new prices.
Juaneryle,

If you install the open source program "Classic Shell" (not to be confused with Classic Shell 8) I think that you will have a slightly different opinion of Windows 8. The program restores the start button along with the All Programs functions and even gives you the option of booting to the desktop. I have been using it for some time now and have been pleased with Windows 8 ever since.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 25 Jan 2013 @ 15:43
#31
Originally posted by Virgil_B:
Originally posted by juaneryle:
I have Windows 8 on my desktop and I'm not impressed. When I'm in desktop mode, I find myself seaching for the Start button. No dvd playback and bland GUI spell trouble when you throw in these new prices.
Juaneryle,

If you install the open source program "Classic Shell" (not to be confused with Classic Shell 8) I think that you will have a slightly different opinion of Windows 8. The program restores the start button along with the All Programs functions and even gives you the option of booting to the desktop. I have been using it for some time now and have been pleased with Windows 8 ever since.
AN "Open Source fix" to a "closed source product"? Anyone else see the irony in that.

Glad that is there to "soften the blow" of dealing with windows 8, but that is classical irony that "open source software" helps people use an expensive "commercial product" from a company that is diametrically opposed to "open source software".
#32
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
It all depends on what is in your old Dell system. If you have a 32 bit processor then you are limited to 3 GB of ram memory. Windows 8 will run in that amount of memory but depending on your processor it may not run very fast. If you have a 64 bit processor and your motherboard supports more than 4 GB of ram I would suggest that you install 8 GB at a minimum. Eight GBs of ram seems to be the sweet spot. Windows 8 also eats up from 16 GB to 20 GB of hard drive space. Plus, If you haven't test driven Windows 8, look out because you lose the start button and will have a very difficult time using the new version of Windows. I hated Windows 8 until I installed an open source program called "Classic Shell". Classic shell restores the start button and most of the other things that are in Windows 7 including the ability to boot directly to the desktop instead of the Windows 8 surface. Plus if you are going from Windows XP to Windows 8 you are going to have a big learning curve simply due to all of the changes in Windows 8.

But back to your question, I would probably wait on buying Windows 8 until I was ready to replace the computer. I think that you would be happier that way.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 25 Jan 2013 @ 16:21
#33
Originally posted by raunchynm:
Ridiculous comment based on no real usage of the product. Learn it and you'll like it

Oh, I learnt enough, and it's definitely not for me (coder and IT speciallist, among other things), neither for my customers, specially those who are 50 years old or more and were lost with the Windows XP interface when it came out, because they were used to Windows 98, which was pretty much the same thing but less improved. Making them to learn how to perform such contra-intuitive gestures with the mouse is a titanic task.

Windows 7 was a good product from the start, and so keeps on being today. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards aiming to join together two different systems (desktop and tablet) that just don't mix well.

Remember? Windows Mobile was a failure in the end because it tried to bring the look&feel of a Windows desktop to a significantly smaller screen. Then, the stylus became part of the past when WP7 and lately WP8 came out, which are pretty good as phone/tablet operating systems, but NOT good at all in a classic desktop environment (mouse & keyboard). Maybe some day in the far future, but sure as hell not right now. Period.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 25 Jan 2013 @ 16:44

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#34
Originally posted by Virgil_B:
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
It all depends on what is in your old Dell system. If you have a 32 bit processor then you are limited to 3 GB of ram memory. Windows 8 will run in that amount of memory but depending on your processor it may not run very fast. If you have a 64 bit processor and your motherboard supports more than 4 GB of ram I would suggest that you install 8 GB at a minimum. Eight GBs of ram seems to be the sweet spot. Windows 8 also eats up from 16 GB to 20 GB of hard drive space. Plus, If you haven't test driven Windows 8, look out because you lose the start button and will have a very difficult time using the new version of Windows. I hated Windows 8 until I installed an open source program called "Classic Shell". Classic shell restores the start button and most of the other things that are in Windows 7 including the ability to boot directly to the desktop instead of the Windows 8 surface. Plus if you are going from Windows XP to Windows 8 you are going to have a big learning curve simply due to all of the changes in Windows 8.

But back to your question, I would probably wait on buying Windows 8 until I was ready to replace the computer. I think that you would be happier that way.
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#35
Originally posted by dali:
Originally posted by raunchynm:
Ridiculous comment based on no real usage of the product. Learn it and you'll like it

Oh, I learnt enough, and it's definitely not for me (coder and IT speciallist, among other things), neither for my customers, specially those who are 50 years old or more and were lost with the Windows XP interface when it came out, because they were used to Windows 98, which was pretty much the same thing but less improved. Making them to learn how to perform such contra-intuitive gestures with the mouse is a titanic task.

Windows 7 was a good product from the start, and so keeps on being today. Windows 8 is a huge step backwards aiming to join together two different systems (desktop and tablet) that just don't mix well.

Remember? Windows Mobile was a failure in the end because it tried to bring the look&feel of a Windows desktop to a significantly smaller screen. Then, the stylus became part of the past when WP7 and lately WP8 came out, which are pretty good as phone/tablet operating systems, but NOT good at all in a classic desktop environment (mouse & keyboard). Maybe some day in the far future, but sure as hell not right now. Period.
raunchynm, you pegged it. From a historical perspective, I think the pinnacle of windows development will likely be seen as 2000/XP (Perhaps windows 7), but Win8 will be the last big push from the company in the PC arena. By the time windows 9 can be ready for market, new technology is going ot overtake and dominate the remainder of the PC and the emerging Tablet and thin client devices. Microsoft derives significant revenue from 3 areas, Desktop, Servers, and Gaming. WELL, Valve is going Linux.....they will take a good chunk with them initially and later as late adopters come on board, that market is declining core for Microsoft. As more people see the gaming advantage to Linux, more server migration WILL occur, (doing windows on virtual pc and emulators as required. Finally, in the desktop arena, the continued advance of Google and Linux is going to push Microsoft out. China has gone android, so goes the world.
#36
So... Who pegged what? I'm a bit lost here now.

And, just to clarify, I have been a Linux user (and lover) uninterruptedly since it came out (yes, I'm that old, I was in college back then). All of my servers, desktops and laptops run Debian. But my customers... Well... That's my daily fight. ;)

"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
#37
never ceases to amaze me how when you dont like something you are either stupid or ignorant.im with you on this one dali.
#38
Originally posted by aldan:
never ceases to amaze me how when you dont like something you are either stupid or ignorant.im with you on this one dali.

Thank you for that. Any individual may disagree with any other one, but being at least a bit respectful and giving some kind of credit to the other party, because unique absolute truths do rarely exist, and we afterdawners do not really know each other that well. But, you know, insulting is the argument of those who have no real arguments.

"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
#39
Yeah well Microsoft can get stuffed. Windows 7 works just fine. I won't bother upgrading.
#40
In my situation, my laptops cheap on-board GPU works best with Windows 8, but I'm not putting up with their Apple-like environment. I was seriously considering a switch, and then came the news.


#41
Originally posted by Virgil_B:
Originally posted by Delljunk:
I have an old Dell (Multimedia) desktop with XP. How much of a problem would it be to install Windows 8? MS is going to stop supporting XP in a year. Can't afford to buy new hardware. What do you all think?
It all depends on what is in your old Dell system. If you have a 32 bit processor then you are limited to 3 GB of ram memory. Windows 8 will run in that amount of memory but depending on your processor it may not run very fast. If you have a 64 bit processor and your motherboard supports more than 4 GB of ram I would suggest that you install 8 GB at a minimum. Eight GBs of ram seems to be the sweet spot. Windows 8 also eats up from 16 GB to 20 GB of hard drive space. Plus, If you haven't test driven Windows 8, look out because you lose the start button and will have a very difficult time using the new version of Windows. I hated Windows 8 until I installed an open source program called "Classic Shell". Classic shell restores the start button and most of the other things that are in Windows 7 including the ability to boot directly to the desktop instead of the Windows 8 surface. Plus if you are going from Windows XP to Windows 8 you are going to have a big learning curve simply due to all of the changes in Windows 8.

But back to your question, I would probably wait on buying Windows 8 until I was ready to replace the computer. I think that you would be happier that way.
I may take your advice. The Dell is old and I'm not an expert on all that makes it work (motherboard, etc.). I have a laptop with Windows 7 which I'm used to, but all my files are stored on the desktop and the desktop isn't as tempermental as the laptop I have. I would like to get the desktop upgraded at minimal cost because I know XP won't be supported in the near future. I have a 250GB serial ATA Hard Drive (7200rpm), and I'm running Office 2010 (not sure what that takes up). A lot of the other programs can go bye bye, except for a couple, but I'm not even sure they'd be compatible with Win 8. There's so much to consider. Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.
#42
why not just upgrade your tower to win7?im running office 2000 on a windows 7 machine and have had no conflicts with it or any other program.
#43
Some people have stated that PC games play better on Win8... anybody confirm that?

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


#44
Originally posted by aldan:
why not just upgrade your tower to win7?im running office 2000 on a windows 7 machine and have had no conflicts with it or any other program.


Well that's a thought too. However, I'm reasonably sure I'll run into the same RAM issues and others too.
#45
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Some people have stated that PC games play better on Win8... anybody confirm that?
Kinda, over all I am impressed with how well win8 runs, its a tiny bit faster all around than win7 and the search function is fast and works even!!

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#46
Originally posted by Delljunk:
Originally posted by aldan:
why not just upgrade your tower to win7?im running office 2000 on a windows 7 machine and have had no conflicts with it or any other program.


Well that's a thought too. However, I'm reasonably sure I'll run into the same RAM issues and others too.
ive run it on old single core celerons with 2gb of ram and they actually run somewhat better than they did on xp.how much ram do you have?
#47
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Some people have stated that PC games play better on Win8... anybody confirm that?
Kinda, over all I am impressed with how well win8 runs, its a tiny bit faster all around than win7 and the search function is fast and works even!!
Hey Zip, I always install "Agent Randsack" (free) for that.

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