No used games on next Xbox? A report from Edge Online, citing sources with first hand experience of Microsoft's next generation Xbox console, suggests that the anticipated console will not allow used games. Even though games will be sold in physical form, they will come with activation codes that are useless beyond the initial user. The report also says that the new Xbox will require ...
Read full articleQuote:Some PC games used Always on DRM but found after the game released people were very mad because the service of always keeping such a security app on caused a lot of down time to accessing your game; take EA Spore and Ubisoft Creed: Brotherhood, both of those were heavily under scrutiny as pirated versions of the same apps played flawlessly with the DRM off. So as other said, people would just find a way to circumvent the system, and no doubt hacker enthusiasts will target a console such as that if nothing else it violates our right to buy/sell. Honestly I surprised the American government doesn't step in to say no before it happens, but MS has a lot of $ to use as a deterrent so basically only time will tell.
isn't his true of some PC games now?
Originally posted by Bozobub:Boy do I hope your right, consoles almost went out the window after the Atari but was saved by the NES. We might just be to that point again with a complete gaming shift.....it's very possible
I don't really see them doing this, because blocking 3rd party resale has already been held to be illegal in the EU. I don't see any sane console maker kissing all of Europe goodbye.
But M$ has stepped on their collective dong often enough in the past, so *shrug* who knows?
Originally posted by SmaryJerry:Steam do aswell as they do because the deals they do are so freakin awesome. Have u ever compared the prices on the xbox and psn stores? they are so insanely expensive, even a game thats been out for years they still want full price for and the occasional sale prices are never even close to the steam sales.
Originally posted by Morreale:Steam is actually much worse when it comes to being able to transfer games and they have a huge following of people who love them because they can buy $5 games on sale for $3 or 2 year old games on sale for half price. Steam is coming out with a console and Xbox is looking at ways to get the same advatage that steam has somehow managed to get. Summary, they will not shoot themselves in the foot because Steam already does this profitably to PC games (soon to be a console aswell).
I think any console maker that blocks used games is probably shooting themselves in the foot somewhat as it just motivates people to exploit their console so it can play used games...
Originally posted by Interestx:Nope, the patent specifically states an automatic, hardware tie in. I liken it to a write once NFC tag. This code can then be carried outside and before the game data stream to the processor to decide if it will be allowed to run.
Isn't it up to the Game maker & the software they choose to use?
Highlighting this as a Microsoft/Xbox thing is wrong in my view, they would all do it if they could
(isn't his true of some PC games now? I fully expect the Sony platform to have the same ability....again whether devs choose to use it is surely up to them?).
Hopefully the EU decision has banjaxxed this in Europe before it even begins, whatever else they do in other territories.
Originally posted by Tarsellis:Yeah but a patent proves nothing.
Nope, the patent specifically states an automatic, hardware tie in.
Originally posted by Tarsellis:Now hang on.
They may start out with this as optional.
Originally posted by Tarsellis:Oh I have no doubt they would all love to be (and have a situation where nobody actually owns anything & we pay a rental for every instance of use) but enough of them know this would be business suicide.
But all the major players are DRM lunatics
Originally posted by elbald90:Yes they are. HACK the world! :P
are they trying to encourage people to hack their new machines?
Originally posted by Bigwillyz:So true.
Originally posted by aw2600:Just want to correct you on this, the PS3 is fully hacked up to 4.31 without the need to downgrade with new cfw coming out every week. All new games are playable, including Dead Space 3 which we had before it was even released.
I agree that a no used games "feature" will hurt both Microsoft and Sony if the two manufacturers choose to implement it. I suspect that the higher ups (who don't play games) made this decision to improve profitability.
Saying that people will just hack the consoles is not a valid argument. After all, the PS3 is over 6 years old and there still isn't a good hack available. In order to hack a PS3 you need hardware to downgrade and then install custom firmware. Not something the average user will do.
On the main subject this is such a stupid move, I wrote the same thing when there was rumors of Playstation doing this. This would kill a huge margin of their userbase, most people are just not going to shell out $60+ on a game they can beat in 6 hours. Then on top of that can't turn around and sell or trade it in, it's just not feasible. Gamestop is already in the process of closing 500 stores and this would be the final nail in the coffin..........
Originally posted by ThePastor:Conspiracy?
Pretty much following with the Windows 8 paradigm. Lock into the "store" and make anything else quite difficult or impossible.
This is the same thing behind the push to "mobile". A "Computer" can be made to do whatever you can imagine. A "mobile" device can only do that which is approved by the manufacturer.
This is all about control and is much bigger than just the gaming industry.
Originally posted by RickRock33:They're not even pretending this has anything to do with "piracy". They probably know as well as we do that it would drive "piracy" higher because of the problems it would cause and the extra costs incurred.
I don't get what all the fuss is about. It's is not like they are losing millions on pirated XBOX and Playstation games. A vast majority of gamers pay for all their games. If this is used to mess with the used game market then shame on them. I bet there will be an immediate shift of games sells from console to PC if they try this bull. A lot of games would never have gotten the fan base they have without the people that first bought the game used.
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