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Macrovision RipGuard with AnyDVD and CloneDVD 2
#1
12 Dec 2005 @ 18:33
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Hi all
I was wondering if it pays to burn discs at 16x speed on my compatible drive with the new RipGuard technology? AnyDVD picks it up, but a disc may finish writing about 50%.
Is this to do with the write speed being set high (16x)? Should I choose a lower speed to write with the new copy protection?
Rodney
I was wondering if it pays to burn discs at 16x speed on my compatible drive with the new RipGuard technology? AnyDVD picks it up, but a disc may finish writing about 50%.
Is this to do with the write speed being set high (16x)? Should I choose a lower speed to write with the new copy protection?
Rodney
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#2
12 Dec 2005 @ 19:04
Macrovision Ripguard is not the issue. This is merely a copy protection scheme involving some deliberately created "bad sectors." It involves the structure of the disc. It may screw up the ripping process. However, the burning process will not be screwed up, or even affected at all, technically, since the burner does not care if it is burning "good data" or if it is burning "bad data." It is still just burning "ones" and "zeros" into the dye.
Your issue may well be the speed at which you burn, though. I have two burners that are both capable of burning at 16X. The media I purchase right now is capable of being burned at 8x, and in a few cases, 16X. However, I have set my software to burn at 4X. It is "safe" on my setup. It has rarely produced a coaster (and even then the only coasters involve some sort of outside error, such as a power failure while burning, or similar glitch.) The few minutes I would save in burning is not worth the increased risk of coasters I would get. 4X is a very stable speed at which to burn, with most systems. Rock solid. 8X is now advanced to the point where it is "reasonably stable," as long as your system is solid, and as long as you do not multitask, and as long as your firmware is up to date and your burner can handle the media being used. 16X is still new, which means that many people have firmware that may need to be updated to handle new writing strategies with the new discs on the shelves, etc.
You did not mention what kind of media this is, and THAT is usually thought of to be the most important variable of all, when it comes to the burning pricess of a DVD-R or a DVD+R. There have been thousands of anecdotal reports where a lousier media could not be burned at 16X, but it could be burned if the speed were slowed to 8X, or 4X, or in some cases, 2.4X.
My advice -- slow it down, and take careful note of whether this reduces the number of coasters.
And, do some research on good media, and also on good media for YOUR burner. (Do not trust the manufacturer's claims for the second item, here, instead check on what others who own your model have to say.)
-Bruce
Your issue may well be the speed at which you burn, though. I have two burners that are both capable of burning at 16X. The media I purchase right now is capable of being burned at 8x, and in a few cases, 16X. However, I have set my software to burn at 4X. It is "safe" on my setup. It has rarely produced a coaster (and even then the only coasters involve some sort of outside error, such as a power failure while burning, or similar glitch.) The few minutes I would save in burning is not worth the increased risk of coasters I would get. 4X is a very stable speed at which to burn, with most systems. Rock solid. 8X is now advanced to the point where it is "reasonably stable," as long as your system is solid, and as long as you do not multitask, and as long as your firmware is up to date and your burner can handle the media being used. 16X is still new, which means that many people have firmware that may need to be updated to handle new writing strategies with the new discs on the shelves, etc.
You did not mention what kind of media this is, and THAT is usually thought of to be the most important variable of all, when it comes to the burning pricess of a DVD-R or a DVD+R. There have been thousands of anecdotal reports where a lousier media could not be burned at 16X, but it could be burned if the speed were slowed to 8X, or 4X, or in some cases, 2.4X.
My advice -- slow it down, and take careful note of whether this reduces the number of coasters.
And, do some research on good media, and also on good media for YOUR burner. (Do not trust the manufacturer's claims for the second item, here, instead check on what others who own your model have to say.)
-Bruce
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 12 Dec 2005 @ 19:07
#3
12 Dec 2005 @ 19:25
Hi
Im using TDK DVD-R 4.7GB which are speed rated from 1 to 16x and im using a Pioneer DVR-108 (with the latest firmware) which is capable for 16x writing. I had to through out the previous same disc at 16x speed which only completed the burn up to 50%.
I am now trying the same procedure at 4x write speed to see if this makes a difference. I have notified slysoft of this error which I get in CloneDVD2.
Rodney
Im using TDK DVD-R 4.7GB which are speed rated from 1 to 16x and im using a Pioneer DVR-108 (with the latest firmware) which is capable for 16x writing. I had to through out the previous same disc at 16x speed which only completed the burn up to 50%.
I am now trying the same procedure at 4x write speed to see if this makes a difference. I have notified slysoft of this error which I get in CloneDVD2.
Rodney
#4
13 Dec 2005 @ 5:19
StanH1000
Senior Member
Try diferent media as well. Verbatim sales this week make that quality media easier to try. Look for Made in Japan (not Taiwan) Fuji or Sony disks as well (rebadged TYs), as a top notch media.
#5
13 Dec 2005 @ 6:07
9mmruger1
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Unless you are using the very best media - genuine Taiyo Yuden - I would not recommend burning at 16x unless you drink lots of coffee and like coasters.
What's the hurry anyway. A 4x burn completes in 14:42. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.
What's the hurry anyway. A 4x burn completes in 14:42. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.
#6
13 Dec 2005 @ 11:52
Hi all
Ok the 4x burn worked in CloneDVD2 with AnyDVD on the TDK DVD-R (new range with new packaging. Theses discs are made in Taiwan, not Japan. Here in Australia its almost impossible to find Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs, but its easy to get the Taiyo Yuden CD-R discs (branded with the THATS name).
Now I know the trick that when Macrovision RipGuard is listed, reduce the burn speed. AnyDVD is a great program, as it tells you the copy protections and checks everything.
One question, if the original disc is region 4 and my drive is region 4, how can I burn a region free copy of any movie with CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD? Is it possible?
Rodney
Ok the 4x burn worked in CloneDVD2 with AnyDVD on the TDK DVD-R (new range with new packaging. Theses discs are made in Taiwan, not Japan. Here in Australia its almost impossible to find Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs, but its easy to get the Taiyo Yuden CD-R discs (branded with the THATS name).
Now I know the trick that when Macrovision RipGuard is listed, reduce the burn speed. AnyDVD is a great program, as it tells you the copy protections and checks everything.
One question, if the original disc is region 4 and my drive is region 4, how can I burn a region free copy of any movie with CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD? Is it possible?
Rodney
#7
13 Dec 2005 @ 13:32
StanH1000
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Doesn't utilizing AnyDVD render the subsequent copy region free?
#8
13 Dec 2005 @ 14:55
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