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CCE - How many passes for excellent quality

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#1
Hello, just wondering what everyone's opinion is for how many passes CCE should be set up for to get excellent quality.. I have it set up for 3 passes, which really does 2 passes on the main file from what I see. Just wondering if I do more than 3 passes if I am really wasting my time. Anyone do a comparison to see if more than 3 passes changed the quality much?
Any advise is appreciated
Thank you
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#2
You may never get a straight answer to this one!!! I have mine set as you do. I guess you are just going to have to experiment and see what "floats your boat." BTW, I experimented a little and decided to stick with 3...

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#3
seems to produce good quality on the 3 pass setting, I will leave it there for now. Thanks for the reply
#4
bevster

Set it for 3 passes and no more for backing up DVD's.

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#5
sounds good, I will keep it on 3 passes and enjoy! thanks guys
#6
Hmmm, you guys know something I don't. The max number of passes I can set rb-pro/cce basic to is 2 passes. Actually it is already set by default and can not be changed. Can the number of passes be changed in the ini file?
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#8
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Did you get squared away regarding doing more than 2 passes?

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Hi teflonmyk,

Thanks, yeah all handled.

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i use cce7(pass). most of the places on the net for movie torrents use a 6 pass. the reason i use seven is because it is my lucky number.

i did bad boys superbit dvd on a cce3(pass) first. i just woke up and before i went to bed i did a cce7(pass). i will compare the two dvds later today and lat you know if i see any difference.

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#11
WOW 7 passes!!!I messed around with 3 and 4, but settled for 3 since I couldn't notice the difference. Let us know how it goes with 7...

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#12
That in my view seems to be unnecessary, I think that you are unlikely to see much quality improvement over three passes.

The old rules still apply, garbage in garbage out.

In terms of DVD/MPEG encoding, always try to get the cleanest image possible.

I would suggest you try some kind of noise reduction before you encode, this will increase the encodes efficiency, otherwise having a video that is noisy means that the encoder has to work harder essentially encoding all the noise! and if the amount of the information over steps the allocated bandwidth then this will result in ugly macro blocking.

Hope that Helps

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#13
Having done my own personal testing I have Rebuilder set @ 4 passes. On longer movies(2hrs+) I think there is a very slight improvment over 3, IMO. However try as I might I have not been able to see any discernable difference using more than 4 passes, 7 imo it a bit overkill.
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The author of Rebuilder appears to think 3 or more is excessive and doesn't really lend anything to the movie quality. I do mine at 3 just to be on the safe side. Since each pass adds about an hour on my system, I won't go for more just to waste time. Even between 2 and 3 I can't see a discernible difference viewing the output on a 60 inch screen.

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#15
3 works for me .. .. .

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The author of Rebuilder appears to think 3 or more is excessive and doesn't really lend anything to the movie quality
what does the author of rb have to do with this question?

i very much appreciate jerry's talents but still rb is rb and CCE passes are CCE passes
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I assumed the man developing the app would know how it works and the encoders it supports. I suspect there might be a minute change in each successive pass, but are you saying that each pass is going to show improvement to the human eye, even at magnifications on "big screens" and projector sets I haven't noticed it past 3. I don't care what my PC is doing while I'm not around and I can multi task even while rebuilder is running, so the number of passes on an encode really doesn't matter as far as usage goes. I've just not been using more passes because I'm not seeing the improvement. You can tell me what I'm suppposed to be looking for and I'll recheck.

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#18
i did NOT in any way say that *more is better* like some fools always imply

i simply wonder why you (not for the first time) seem to need to backup certain statements with reference to other people
#19
Now, Now guys this is a debate without teeth. LOL

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#20
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i did NOT in any way say that *more is better* like some fools always imply
No one even implied you did. But your statement/question was ambiguous. My question was to ask you what you meant by what you said.

The connection between the author of a piece of software and the apps it supports should be readily apparent.
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The author of Rebuilder appears to think 3 or more is excessive and doesn't really lend anything to the movie quality
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what does the author of rb have to do with this question?

i very much appreciate jerry's talents but still rb is rb and CCE passes are CCE passes

...i simply wonder why you (not for the first time) seem to need to backup certain statements with reference to other people
Because you have an uncanny knack for posting in threads following something I say that is relevant to the thread. "Jerry's" talent was relevant to the discussion. Rebuilder uses CCE as a supported encoder. I give the man credit for knowing what he's doing. If he's good enough to write the program, he should be good enough to realize the number of passes of the supported encoders are useful. After all, the man has run this app through lengthy beta testing. So, I believe the advice of the software author of RB should hold some weight in the discussion. And I will continue to use the advice of respected people who have a knowledge of the subject when it is relevant. I also stated my findings on the topic as well.

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#21
If I remember correctly, a while ago was a debate on the Videohelp forums about this same topic. It was agreed that actually 4 passes would be the most reasonable for encoding. Actually the more passes the better quality but after 4 you really can't tell the improvement. I don't use CCE anymore so can't give you a more educated answer. The programs I use are set at 2 pass and that quality is ok with me on my 46inch Mitsubishi HDTV.


#22
dr_no

What encoder do you use? I seem to use them all for one reason or another. I use CCE SP 2.67 (didn't see any benefit to 2.70), Procoder2 for interlaced movies, and HC enocoder if I want to encode and surf the net at the same time. No science, no sense, just preferences. LOL

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#23
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dr_no
I guess we all figure where we want to set the encoders by personal experience and preference. My advice to the novice just starting is to start at 2 passes and work their way up with CCE till there is no difference in quality. Retail Basic is limited to 2 and the SP is the one that will do multiple passes. Work with new releases so that picture quality on the source isn't an issue. The ideal test is to use the same settings and the same source files and only change the number of passes. As you pointed out from VideoHelp's conclusions, it won't take more than one or 2 more encodes to make a decision.

At least VideoHelp isn't suggesting some of those big numbers. As I mentioned before, I'm viewing on a 60 inch screen. I see little to no difference between 2 and 3 passes and see none between 3 and 4. If there is some feature I should be looking for, cue me in as I'd like to know what I'm not seeing.
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#24
brobear,
That wasn't my opinion, I was just pointing to a debate from Videohelp.

sophocles,
Call me lazy or whatever but these days I just run my files through Nero. Maybe just because of convenience. The quality it gives me is adequate for my needs. I tried before CCE, TMPGEnc, AVS, VSO, Intervideo, WinAvi. I guess it all comes down to personal preference.


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