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Originally posted by djeazyg:
You act like you have a grudge against Sony. If its true than your point means nothing.

- A "grudge" against a CE corporation?
Wow, how would that work?
Do you imagine they owe me money or something ?!

Please try and discuss this sensibly.

Pointing out the errors, the inaccuracies, the obvious propaganda and the outright lies that characterise large elements of the BD comment & 'support' in this is not 'hate' or a 'grudge' actually, it's simply pointing out that we're being treated to the errors, the inaccuracies, the obvious propaganda and the outright lies.

In this case it's the idea that the PS3 is a superior upscaler at SD DVD compared to the international award winning HD XA2.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
Some DVD's look and sound better than other DVD's depending on the movie and who released it.

- Coooo, d'you think?

Any other blinding insights and statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to treat us to?

......and if it's a MPEG2 BD release one can almost guarantee with 100% certainty it won't be winning any 'best of' awards anywhere.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
You need more than just the same codec to make that comparison.

- ......and when people with both formats & the reviewing mags are comparing the Warner & Paramount releases how do you think they pull that one off, huh?
Does the thought that they have 2 different high def DVD players displaying on the same screen/monitor and using the same audio kit not seem most likely, hmmmmmm?

Originally posted by djeazyg:
Not that I really care about movies. I use my PS3 to play games.

- Of course, I can tell how much you didn't care about any of this by making the effort to appear & say all that.
lol

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- Coooo, d'you think?

Any other blinding insights and statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to treat us to?

lets refrain from remarks such as this, as they serve no purpose. it doesn't matter what it was about, there's some newb cruising the site right now that could learn from any input, no matter how obvious.

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have you tried that setup or are you "just talking" because you think you know it all????? i haven't but it sounds like you just reply with a "oh no, hddvd is way better than that, if you say BD is good hddvd is ten times better", that kind of replys don't tell me much except that no one knows what really is going on, so what's the point of doing it?

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Originally posted by mglez86:
have you tried that setup or are you "just talking" because you think you know it all????? i haven't but it sounds like you just reply with a "oh no, hddvd is way better than that, if you say BD is good hddvd is ten times better", that kind of replys don't tell me much except that no one knows what really is going on, so what's the point of doing it?

His hate for Sony thats all.

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I see.

So, posting the fact that the Toshiba HD XA2 is an international award winning high def player and therefore having very good grounds to challenge a comment that the PS3 supposedly "wipes the floor" with it at SD DVD upscaling is "hate" now is it?

You know you guys actually deserve the manipulation, contempt & over-priced 2nd division stuff you lap up.

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This is all just a matter of personal opinion. Looking at both HD DVD and BlueRay you will see or hear very little difference if any at all. This whole battle is more about longevity, price and how it appeals to the average consumer and not these over informed technical geeks. You should really go see all the different formats and set ups for yourself and find what is best for you and your wallet.

Originally posted by hughjars:

You know you guys actually deserve the manipulation, contempt & over-priced 2nd division stuff you lap up.

So go enjoy your overpriced, under supported and soon to be outdated junk you love so much. Since you have all the answers anyway why do you care what we think?

I know my stating the obvious upsets you and I'm sorry but.......
You can call it what you want or try to convince yourself otherwise but it is OBVIOUS that your dripping wet with hate for Sony.

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nothing wrong with hating sony they are kinda more assinie than the others.

With that said are any of their schemes worth while BR is nice but no better than HDVD at this point and time the PS3 is so lacking its not even funny it is being improved upon and moving slowly to fix the problems it had at launch.

All in all on these and other fronts they have shown no forethought and not placed any real effort into them to make them better than the rest(note the PS3 is maturing and in a few years be a great system but for now and the next year or 2....it suxs.).

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you know, it some times seems like people loose track of what they are talking about, some times it seems like it's ps3 hate, some times it's BD hate, and most of the time it's Sony hate, any way, it's not wrong to say that X tv is good, or that X player is good, it's an insult when someone actually tries two different things, gives his opinion, and someone else who has not tried the same thing makes such comments, we learn more from the guy who actually tries out the setup, and comes here and says "look, i set it up like this, and it did this". so to eatsushi, error5, StewieGri, and dblbogey7, congratulations! keep up the good work, and i hope to hear more things like these, it doesn't matter if it comes from hd or bd, thoshiba or sony, wii or ps3, just more comments like these so i may make a good, educated decision when i buy one. thanks alot.

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in the next year or 2 with the newer revisions the PS3 should be a more solid system with most of the updates being on board that and a hopefully lower price and more games in the libary will make the PS3 a nice system to own.

the 360 is solid enough I guess,the WII seems to be more like the PS"X" was a bit of everything but uber power.

Unlike the last gen in this gen none of the systems are "perfect" they all have enough flaws to split the gaming pie 3 ways.

As for HD and BR the only reason to dislike BR is the price its more or less the same as HDVD it dose offer a bit more space but until they halve the price thats a non issue, they both are so close together its down to marketing to lure the sheeple to it and thats generally how it works.

Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
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Originally posted by djeazyg:
This is all just a matter of personal opinion.

- I'd place several international awards as slightly better than just mere personal opinion.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
Looking at both HD DVD and BlueRay you will see or hear very little difference if any at all.

- .....and yet this is wholly at odds with what respected owners of both formats and long-term members on the av & avs forums have to say.

Like it or not BD has only occasionally matched the quality of HD DVD, when viewing the catalogue of titles it is the simple truth that owners of both formats rate the HD DVD product as generally better than BD.

When given the choice by someone like Warner or Paramount they tend to prefer the HD DVD offering.

It's simply a fact that BD is still unfinished as a spec (and even 'profile 1.1' due in Oct is not the end of the matter) and this shows.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
This whole battle is more about longevity, price and how it appeals to the average consumer and not these over informed technical geeks.

- LMAO.
So, ignorance is best is it?
Hilarious.

"This whole battle" is about a hell of a lot more than the BD assoc declaring themselves winners so prematurely.

It's about price, quality and providing a range of products that will replace SD DVD with ease for the regular paying punter.

HD DVD is the only format set to do that with a wide range of players at various specs and at several pricing points - prices that begin far below any point BD can possibly compete at.

BD by contrast has an over-priced games console and that's about it.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
You should really go see all the different formats and set ups for yourself and find what is best for you and your wallet.

- I totally agree......and when you find you get the same or superior pictures and sound from HD DVD you might well wonder why the hell the entry level BD offering is at least 50% more expensive than the entry level HD DVD offering.

....that is if you can find somewhere that hasnt been paid off to hide the HD DVD stuff away in a corner and switched off (or even more laughably as I heard today playing SD DVD), as seems suspiciously common.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
So go enjoy your overpriced

- LMAO.

Yeah HD DVD compared to BD is just sooooo expensive. Riiiiiight.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
under supported

- Er, you'll find that Universal is about the biggest of them all, Warner & Paramount are HD DVD supporters of consequence & Studio Canal are bigger than Fox or MGN.

HD DVD also benefits from being region free - so when, thanks to the various international publishing and distribution rights ,a lot of those titles that are BD exclusive in the USA turn out not to be elsewhere, HD DVD owners can buy them from anywhere and enjoy.

It's been worked out as things stand now BD has a potential of 48,000 titles & HD DVD 40,000 - and that's when you make the (fatal) assumption that nothing will change.

But you can bet on it; as HD DVD starts to take the a/v market the content will follow the money & more of those BD content providers will go format neutral......in the same way as those previously 'BD exclusive' hardware manufacturers (LG & Samsung) have done already.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
soon to be outdated junk

- LMAO.

Outdated?
In what way are 720p/1080i/1080p Dolby HD audio and all the rest "outdated"!?

Give up the propaganda and wake up.
HD DVD is not going away anywhere, BD failed to knock HD DVD out of the market.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
you love so much.

- You're projecting again.

You can stick to you ludicrous notions of "love" for a CE company if you like.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
Since you have all the answers anyway why do you care what we think?

- ......and you risibly high opinion of your self is laughably transperent.
Don't flatter yourself.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
I know my stating the obvious upsets you

- Despite your rather obvious wishful 'thinking' you're wrong again, I just found it rather vaccous and pointless.

Originally posted by djeazyg:
You can call it what you want or try to convince yourself otherwise but it is OBVIOUS that your dripping wet with hate for Sony.

- Oh dear. You're projecting once again.

You 'enjoy' your ludicrous and faintly tragic notions of "hate" for CE companys.

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Originally posted by hughjars:
I'd place several international awards as slightly better than just mere personal opinion.

Awards never was factor in the outcome of any format war or system therefore that award was a matter of opinion from that group.

Originally posted by hughjars:
- .....and yet this is wholly at odds with what respected owners of both formats and long-term members on the av & avs forums have to say.

Like it or not BD has only occasionally matched the quality of HD DVD, when viewing the catalogue of titles it is the simple truth that owners of both formats rate the HD DVD product as generally better than BD.

When given the choice by someone like Warner or Paramount they tend to prefer the HD DVD offering.

It's simply a fact that BD is still unfinished as a spec (and even 'profile 1.1' due in Oct is not the end of the matter) and this shows.

That totally Bull ish there are alot of supporter of both formats on AVS Forum. not one format has a clear advantages over the other i challenge you to back up the totally false claim that you made read my post i made here as it will enlighten you on the facts not blind hate.

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Originally posted by hughjars:
- LMAO.

Outdated?
In what way are 720p/1080i/1080p Dolby HD audio and all the rest "outdated"!?

Give up the propaganda and wake up.
HD DVD is not going away anywhere, BD failed to knock HD DVD out of the market

You got it backward it was HD-DVD that launch first & had a clear path to knock Blu-ray out the market with a cheaper price but that didn't happen Blu-ray counter & you know the rest of the story.

Originally posted by hughjars:
It's about price, quality and providing a range of products that will replace SD DVD with ease for the regular paying punter.

See this is where you don't get it High def format is not here right now to over take SD market its only a enhancement for now because high def got to build a strong market of there own before anyone can even think about replacing SD format for now.Blu-Ray had the only title that broke in the SD format top 10.

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I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
Awards never was factor in the outcome of any format war or system therefore that award was a matter of opinion from that group.

- Run around in circles over this all you like but the fact remains the Toshiba HD XA2 has won several awards for the quality of it's image & sound - including it's upscaling abilities.

So go on then, this compares to how many & which international awards the PS3 has gathered in these areas, hmmmmm?

Originally posted by NexGen76:
That totally Bull ish there are alot of supporter of both formats on AVS Forum. not one format has a clear advantages over the other i challenge you to back up the totally false claim that you made read my post i made here as it will enlighten you on the facts

- .....and I refer you to the answer I gave.

If you look at all the releases to date it is BD that has the list of horrors and a significant number of BD titles have appeared without the latest high quality sound.

That's (unfortunately for you) not BS but the accurate and whole truth of the matter.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
not blind hate.

- Grow up.

What kind of infants honestly hold either 'love' or 'hate' for an electronics company or a movie format?

Originally posted by NexGen76:
You got it backward it was HD-DVD that launch first & had a clear path to knock Blu-ray out the market with a cheaper price but that didn't happen Blu-ray counter & you know the rest of the story.

- Er, actually one of the reasons why BD is unfinished is beacuse they rushed it out to compete with HD DVD.

BD owes a lot of people a lot of money.

It was BD that needed to dispose of the competition - which is why we have all been treated to the campaign of idiotic lies and propaganda since CES 2007 as they attempted to build 'momentum' to try and kill off HD DVD.

It's not the HD DVD side that routinely lie about their competitor or ludicrously inflate their own claims.

......and PS3 was always coming, in what kind of demented reality could Toshiba's then 2 HD DVD players kill the PS3 project off?
Wise up to reality and don't be so silly.

Originally posted by NexGen76:
See this is where you don't get it High def format is not here right now to over take SD market

- Don't be silly, of course that is the ultimate aim......and it is HD DVD that is placed to make the change-over easily.

If you're looking to buy a new SD DVD player after this X-mas (when you will be able to buy a Toshiba HD DVD player for about $200 or a Chinese branded HD DVD player for anything between $100 - $150) who is going to buy a regular SD DVD player?

That's how this will be done.

Not only are the Toshiba excellent upscaling SD DVD players they also happen to include high quality HD DVD abilities.....and all at a price far below what the BD competition can offer.

The recent price drops already show this 'war' is far from over and when it comes to the regular a/v market price will (as always) be king.
Fortunately HD DVD also offers excellent quality as well as superb value price-tag.

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You really have no life do you. So far BlueRay is winning and you hate it. (I did not say they won I said they are winning) Your opinion is you hate Sony and It shows more and more with every post and all the other threads you post in. After reading all that I can see you are not worth the time it takes to debate with you.
I dont know what company you represent but Your claim of awards don't mean squat. An award is nothing more than a shared OPINION! Just because a lot of people think Brittany Spears deserves awards for her singing doesn't mean I should think she is a great singer. As far as I'm concerned she sucks.
Youre kidding with this line of bull right?
Enjoy your delusion. I know others share it with you. I wish you all well in the coming years.

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LMAO

Your lame attempts to troll and bait are as predictable as they are futile.

Yeah, ok, whatever you say.
The total high def market isn't even 1% of the total movie disc market
(approx 2 million sales of both formats combined compared to over 750 million SD DVD disc sales last year alone)
but you want to insist on finding todays high def sales numbers enormously significant.....and then pretend everyone else is as emotive about it all as you.

I think we can all spot the delusional one here.

Better luck next time.

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Originally posted by djeazyg:
You really have no life do you. So far BlueRay is winning and you hate it. (I did not say they won I said they are winning) Your opinion is you hate Sony and It shows more and more with every post and all the other threads you post in. After reading all that I can see you are not worth the time it takes to debate with you.
I dont know what company you represent but Your claim of awards don't mean squat. An award is nothing more than a shared OPINION! Just because a lot of people think Brittany Spears deserves awards for her singing doesn't mean I should think she is a great singer. As far as I'm concerned she sucks.
Youre kidding with this line of bull right?
Enjoy your delusion. I know others share it with you. I wish you all well in the coming years.

I agree sometimes you just can't get people to see past there own nose...

Originally posted by zippy:
NexGen76
I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

That why i said not now but i couldn't agree with you more.

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......and of course no little message board spat would be complete without those complaining about a POV they can't abide then moving on to attack the poster of that POV as "having no life" for occasionally posting that POV on the board.

Yeah, way to go guys, brains at work. Not.

Perhaps you'd prefer that everyone not toeing the lie just shuts up and you can just kill off the debate in the community entirely?

.....or better yet if you really want that sort of childish back-slapping self-congratulatory BS for 'thinking' in the same way why not stick to the 'bubble' of your PS3/BD fanzine sites?

That way you can be safe and secure in the knowledge that you need never encounter another contrary view or awkward piece of information ever again or "over informed technical geeks" (that one is a classic).......or, dare I say it, someone over 30 who finds your dreary and very 'small' world-view of 'love' or 'hate' for inanimate CE corporations so laughably tedious & limited.

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
djeazyg
nothing wrong with hating sony they are kinda more assinie than the others.

With that said are any of their schemes worth while BR is nice but no better than HDVD at this point and time the PS3 is so lacking its not even funny it is being improved upon and moving slowly to fix the problems it had at launch.

All in all on these and other fronts they have shown no forethought and not placed any real effort into them to make them better than the rest(note the PS3 is maturing and in a few years be a great system but for now and the next year or 2....it suxs.).

I'm sorry Zippy, I didn't notice you posted here. I didn't mean to ignore you.
The other guy was so "enlightening" that I didn't see you commented.
Ill bet you hes so smart he didnt notice that Im being sarcastic.

I wouldnt say the PS3 sucks. Disappointing for sure but when the games start rolling out this will change. Now if the games that come out are crappy then I will agree with you and say it sucks. This past update really did wonders for my faith in Sony. It was a great start and at least they are not throwing in the towel.
I got a little side note for you. My nieces husband works part time at an EB Games and got a 360 Elite. He returned it in a week for repair because it over heated and gave him the ring of death. Now this is the only return for the 360 Elite at this particular EB Games but it is still not a good thing. He got another one and all is well and he loves it. Just thought you might find that interesting.

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
NexGen76
I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

I couldnt agree more. I actually think that a new contender in the HD format war will emerge and blow both BlueRay and HD-DVD out of the water. I never said that either format would take over next week. Now hes making shit up.

As for hating Sony.He can hate Sony all he wants. I hate Sony for screwing up the launch of the PS3. I had high hopes for it but it looks like I will have to wait a while before Sony gets there shit together.
He can also attack me all he wants. Everything he said changes nothing. Hes a Sony hater but cant admit it. Hes in denial. Im trying to help him deal with his little problem but there is only so much I can do. All his useless facts and jabs at me are the same as he does on all the other threads he comments on. Most of the time he is bashing Sony. I would rather talk to somebody that has something useful to say. Ive said it before, this is a web forum. Not real life. People need to RELAX!!!

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i'm sorry for those who hate questions, but i must, so quality i always see that it takes more storage space away, but even when you have high def dvd, if you don't have high def tv you don't see a difference, so what if the real problem for BD is that tvs aren't good enough for now??? just a question, don't get pissed about it, and please enlighten me.

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Originally posted by mglez86:
i'm sorry for those who hate questions, but i must, so quality i always see that it takes more storage space away, but even when you have high def dvd, if you don't have high def tv you don't see a difference, so what if the real problem for BD is that tvs aren't good enough for now??? just a question, don't get pissed about it, and please enlighten me.

BD and HDVD are pretty much the same there are thos that claim one as all and refuse to give the other its due,BD has had some codec issues but has gotten over that the trouble with BD is the protection schemes sony will force on it after the rootkit fiasco not many trust sony to make a working protection scheme that wont blank a disc.

I like BD for the size but price and protection worries make it less of a deal,HDVD still seems the better more coherent format,if sony can get 100GB discs out ASAP I might lean back to BD :X

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if you guys cannot have a conversation without calling each other names or making shitty remarks, then the thread will be closed and everyone on it will be banned permenantly.

Any addicts on this thread should be trying to calm things down, if it doesn't work get in touch with me and i'll deal with it my way (which of course means everyone dies).

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The PS3 is coming along the interface(control) is a bit annoying cant wait till some 3rd party keyboard and mouse adapters are made for it I have given up on devs putting control back into games more than willing to whine about it tho :P

the PS3 needs a price drop more than games currently...

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Last week I gave a subjective ranking on the upconversion performance of three HD players including the 1.8 updated PS3. To a get a more objective handle on these rankings I ordered the HQV Benchmark DVD...

http://www.hqv.com/benchmark.cfm

... and again put the three players to the test. The objective tests just confirmed the validity of my subjective rankings with the following total scores:

1. Toshiba HD-XA2 - 130 (out of a possible 130)
2. Toshiba HD-A1 - 116
3. PS3 with 1.8 Update - 91

Here are the details (average of 3 different viewers):

>Toshiba HD-XA2 with 1.6 Firmware
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass 5 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass 5 of 5
Flag - Pass 10 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass 10 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass 10 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass 10 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass Combined 40 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass 10 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass 10 of 10
Total Score - 130 out of a possible 130

>Toshiba HD-A1 with 2.2 Firmware
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass 3 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass 3 of 5
Flag - Pass 5 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass 10 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass 10 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass 10 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass Combined 40 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass 5 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass 10 of 10
Total Score - 116 out of a possible 130

>PS3 with 1.8 Update
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass 3 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass 3 of 5
Flag - Pass 5 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass 5 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass 5 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass 5 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass Combined 30 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass 5 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass 10 of 10
Total Score - 91 out of a possible 130

We tried my friend's PS3 which still had the 1.7 Software and the total HQV benchmark score was a measly 38 (average) and failed most of the tests. So overall, a very good effort from Sony.

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The remote media access feature is a welcomed addition. Does this work soemthing like Orb?

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