Not so, I know a few people with E6300s, 4300s and 2160s...

what bout e2200 or e4400 cause if i go intel ill go with that... that thing i like about intel is later i have upgrade room... i can lter get a e6759 or e8400 or after that a quad core, or wayyy after an extreme...

i mean e6750**

you could, or more importantly a quad core. To be fair you have that optopn open with AMD as well, but their quads are rubbish.

well i hear that the black edition phenom are allright

Not really, they're slower than even the cheapest of Intel's quad cores, the Q6600, can't be overclocked very much at all, and aren't even compatible with most AMD motherboards.

well they are with the k9a2 plat and k9a2 cf-f v2 soo if i go amd ill go with either of those... i've heard all the sides and points i think i just need to setup a poll, can i do that on this site

I don't think the afterdawn forum has a feature for that - ask it in the official PC building thread though and you'll get plenty of responses.

k ill post a thread that asks only for sides no explanations..

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can u leave a oc'ed 4300 for a 24/7 ssetup, like u can with 5000+ black edition also i c that more people have a be 5000+'s than e4400 or e2200

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You most surely can. I run my e6750 at 3.4GHz 24/7/365. I've been doing so with it on a 680i mobo and a P35 mobo. an e4300 will usually run stable and cool at 3GHz with a decent cooler.

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y do u think more ppl went with a be 5000 instead of e2200 or e4400

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As far as I am aware, more people have been going Intel for the last few years. The 5000+ BE is only really a good upgrade if you already have a socket AM2 mobo and a limited budget. It's still good, just not as good as Intel.

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well i hear that the black edition phenom are allright

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Stay away from Phenom. If you must go AMD just get an X2 and OC it. Too many compatibility issues.

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Not really, they're slower than even the cheapest of Intel's quad cores, the Q6600, can't be overclocked very much at all, and aren't even compatible with most AMD motherboards.

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Can't be OC'd. Compatibility issues. Performance issues for some. But not absolute rubbish. A 2.3GHz Phenom 9600 still keeps up well with a 2.4GHz Core 2 Quad. Don't believe me? Check this page out:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/phenom_9600/

As you can see, mixed results. But a marked improvement from AMD X2 and generally up to par with Intel. No Q6600 in this test but you can kind of guess by comparing with the QX6700.

Bottom line, if you're an AMD fanboy, go with AMD. But if you want higher performance, go Intel. I suppose either will do you just fine for most games and apps. Intel has a noticeable advantage in some things, but a 3GHz 5000+ BE is no slouch either.

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an e4300 will usually run stable and cool at 3GHz with a decent cooler.

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3.15Ghz 24/7, Thermalright Ultra-120A no fan, an hour of Supreme commander:Forged Alliance sees my CPU temp at 39C...

Same here. My temps are pretty low. Idles at 32-35 most times and I see mid-high 40s playing games. Sammorris, are you at stock vcore?

k what about the e7200 is just say that and i hear its good... is it better then every thing else in the $150 give or take $10

Not quite, 1.41V.

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k what about the e7200 is just say that and i hear its good... is it better then every thing else in the $150 give or take $10

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I'm not sure what you want, but if I was looking for a CPU in the $150 price range, thatd be the one to get. Definitely going to be faster than the 6400+ and 6000+.

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Not quite, 1.41V.

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1.425 for me. I could probably take it to 3.6 at that voltage, but it's perfectly stable for 1 week under a dual prime test, so I'm happy with it.

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k what about the e7200 is just say that and i hear its good... is it better then every thing else in the $150 give or take $10

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I'm not sure what you want, but if I was looking for a CPU in the $150 price range, thatd be the one to get. Definitely going to be faster than the 6400+ and 6000+.

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Not quite, 1.41V.

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1.425 for me. I could probably take it to 3.6 at that voltage, but it's perfectly stable for 1 week under a dual prime test, so I'm happy with it.

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yea im going to be gaming on 1280 x 1024 and i was wondering how much i can oc the e7200 on stock voltage... and if i raise it .5 volts and 1 volt i don't want to go higer than that...

also can u leave and oc'ed cpu chip on 1 volt over stock for a 24/7 setup without it crashing... and for how long and how bout .5 volts
i want to leave it like this for a long time...

I've had my CPU at this voltage level since I bought it in January 07, and it's been fine so far.

the new 9850 X4 is a good chip. it can OC to about 3-3.2 and will be the best you can get for AM2.

and yet, at stock I'm pretty sure it about equalled the Q6600 in the review I read.

im not gonna argue about that, jsut saying, if one is on the AM2 platform, you might aswell get it, or else you will need new CPU/MOBO and a new reinstall of OS if you wanna move to intel. might aswell get that, and then next year get nahlem

Assuming the 9850 is free from the problems that Phenoms have had in the past, it'd be a worthwhile upgrade from an X2 CPU, since you're not going to get a similar performing rig if you have to change the motherboard just to get an Intel CPU. If you're starting from scratch though, no reason to use one.

ofcourse, starting from scratch oozes intel.

and yes the XX50 CPUs bugs have been fixed (the TLB one) so they work fine

That's pleasing to see, now they just need to work on the performance... :P

haha, yeah. i hope thier next set of CPUs can rival nehlem becuase competition is healthy for the consumer

http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scalin...re-processors/3

I was ust reading the article in that link and it makes me think that for gaming even if i oc y e7200 itll b a waste cause it shows that a 4amd 4850 can pratically match a
Intel Quad QX9770 in gaming so what is the point of spending more on a cpu if it doesn't matter for gaming