Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum in Ecuador, just 60 days after he began fighting extradition from London by seeking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy. Foreign Secretary William Hague stated the UK would not grant Assange safe passage out of the country. Assange was set to be extradited to Sweden, where he faces charges of rape. Assange denies the claims, saying ...
Read full articleOriginally posted by ZippyDSM:Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Originally posted by LordRuss:Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Let's hypothetically ask the question, "say" (a bit out of context, but keeping with the Assange business) Assange leaked one of the missions I went on (or was supposedly going on).
I personally don't give a shit whether you believe me or not, but one of those "government infringements" brought a few war criminals to justice (2 more years, 20 year silence clause). If that information got out & crippled the mission 1, I'd be dead. 2, atrocities might still be going on or possibly worse, but I don't see how.
AFTER THE FACT!!! Sure, most times let folks in on the story. But I'm not an idiot either... I'm sure your wife/sister/girlfriend/grandmother/aunt would like advanced warning that there is a rapist waiting around the corner so she could avoid the situation. Same can be said of the bulk of government secrets.
The corruption clause starts to rear its ugly head when jerk waters want to micromanage the release of important information that could lead o public safety like it were a sword of control. Obviously those pricks have got to go. But that's NOT what Assange was doing.
Is Assange being treated unfairly? Probably, for equally good reason & for nothing more than he brought upon himself. Like every other idiot money greed attention whore, he bullshat himself into thinking he was doing all this for the good of the public. Facts are, No, he wasn't.
It became a point of vindictiveness & spite. He's poked the Rottweiler with the stick one too many times & now the thing is going for his throat; on a global scale. There are other 'whistle blower' groups out there making waves, but Assange is the one with the biggest bullseye on his forehead; wonder why?
No government is Snow White, so I'm not defending them, not like that. But this little snot isn't the New York Times or Washington Post either. What's his credentials? He's lied with swine & now he wants to complain of pig shit?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if he was trying to be Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, he's failed miserably. All he's succeeded in doing is wrapping his pathetic ass into a retarded version of Roman Polanski's life. Except Assange isn't a famous director & he's the one who's going to end up being sodomized.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:And you're right... My comment's weren't to remove the humanity from the situation despite the fact that my involvement in 'government activities' were with people of less than human qualities. That will be my cross to bear until death.
Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Sometimes abuse of the system can bring justice but more often than not it brings harm.
The problem with Assange is that even the corrupted system of law can not get him, because he's more innocent IE done less damage to humanity than the countries that want him.
Are his hands clean? No, is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart, hell no. But you know what? At least his hands are still human looking, I can't say that about most governments as they do what they will with all the force and might they can muster just like any for profit organization would.
Originally posted by LordRuss:Sadly something has to give as governments are not giving an inch when it comes to reporting the truth(not the winners side of it), personal rights and freedoms of expression, even if wiki leaks is an extreme case that's more than likely breaking the rule of law, is it really breaking the spirit?
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:And you're right... My comment's weren't to remove the humanity from the situation despite the fact that my involvement in 'government activities' were with people of less than human qualities. That will be my cross to bear until death.
Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Sometimes abuse of the system can bring justice but more often than not it brings harm.
The problem with Assange is that even the corrupted system of law can not get him, because he's more innocent IE done less damage to humanity than the countries that want him.
Are his hands clean? No, is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart, hell no. But you know what? At least his hands are still human looking, I can't say that about most governments as they do what they will with all the force and might they can muster just like any for profit organization would.
It's a tough tight wire act to do and it's really funny how they (governments in general) want it all gray when things are to be "hush-hush", but when it comes to filleting someone's ass - yeah, you're right - all of the sudden it starts to become a black & white issue.
Originally posted by attar:Will it even fit in the country?
The problem with the trip to Ecuador will be getting his massively swollen head through the embassy door.
Originally posted by Owled:The simple answer is....
Now if these Rape Charges ARE fabricated?
THEN the ONLY question remaining is my Long and UNWINDING road!
The SOLE question is: Where is the Non-Extradition Guarantee? if "THEY" have nothing to hide!
Give me a well founded answer to THAT!
Originally posted by xtago:Then why was Augusto Pinochet not extradited from the UK, when the WHOLE g*d*med world was screaming for him to be returned to Chile and face justice?
Originally posted by Owled:The simple answer is....
Now if these Rape Charges ARE fabricated?
THEN the ONLY question remaining is my Long and UNWINDING road!
The SOLE question is: Where is the Non-Extradition Guarantee? if "THEY" have nothing to hide!
Give me a well founded answer to THAT!
Since when has the US said they even want to charge Assange?
As I said before the US could have had him arrested via Interpol when he was in Sweden, that didn't happen.
Again the US could have had him arrested in the UK via Interpol again.
Has that happened?
Yet people are worried about him being sent to the US even though the UK is going to send him to Sweden no matter what he wants to think or say.
If the US wanted him arrested it would have happened years ago.
he's just doing the usual crim thing oh it wasn't me yet I'll flee every country that wants to arrest me.
The US story is just that a story, he thinks he is important to the US government but the US government just couldn't care about him, so he lives in a dreamland where the US is some how only allowed to arrest him in Sweden if he re-enters Sweden and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US.
give me a break.
Apparently he F**ked a chick or while she/they were sleeping.
That's why Sweden want him.
Plus he was in Sweden yet wouldn't let the police question him, then sneaked out of Sweden 1 1/2 years ago and suddenly ended up in the UK.
Which the Sweden police wanted him arrested the UK police did that.
He got bail but doesn't have a passport as the UK courts held it because he's a flight risk, for sneaking out of Sweden, and spent the last year trying not to be sent off to Sweden for questioning by Sweden police.
Once he got the hint that the UK really where going to send him to Sweden, he suddenly goes into the Ecuador embassy and claims the US government really truly are after him and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US government for wikileaks trial.
Even though all the countries he's been in since the whole wikileaks thing he could have been arrested and sent to the US.
People really are sheep if they do believe his story.
Read up in the news of the whole history will show up all the utter BS in his story, it's just so he doesn't end up in prison in Sweden for really raping chicks while they where sleeping.
Originally posted by Mrguss:I don't necessarily give him that much credit & yes he IS creating an international incident. As a matter of fact I believe it is his megalomania that actually thrives on it.
I just very happy that Julian Assange always been 2 or 3 steps ahead front the "Gang Club" (U.S. Sweden & UK); that never wanted this to became an international issue.
Originally posted by LordRuss:I dunno there's no telling what will end him.
Originally posted by Mrguss:I don't necessarily give him that much credit & yes he IS creating an international incident. As a matter of fact I believe it is his megalomania that actually thrives on it.
I just very happy that Julian Assange always been 2 or 3 steps ahead front the "Gang Club" (U.S. Sweden & UK); that never wanted this to became an international issue.
My interests morbidly lie on the follow up issue of 'what he will do once this escapade is over'? Nothing will top it.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:I bet he will screw up and be jailed or killed for it more than for wikileak stuff. LOL
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:MrGuss
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Why the Western Media Hate Julian Assange:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/...ssange_20120823
Originally posted by Owled:And yet they breed & drive cars, most of them...
Originally posted by Mrguss:MrGuss
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Why the Western Media Hate Julian Assange:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/...ssange_20120823
EXCELLENT article! with plenty links to cement the arguments raised by Greenwald. This finalizes all stupid comments used here (above and below).
Am also flabbergasted how many commentators of Greenwald's article are misinformed (possibly brainwashed) and unable to make a clear judgement of their own.
Already here I found people can't read comprehensively and keep drumming their false arguments ad infinitum.
Originally posted by LordRuss:
This political version of Snookie needs to be shelved. Journalism is one thing, illegal wiretapping (which is what he is/was doing) is what they're really going after after him for.
It's not like he 'just happened' upon some classified government documents & reported them to the public here as the earlier link seems to want to glamorize. He is justifiably allowed due process, but hero to the public? Mmmm, I don't think so.
Originally posted by LordRuss:That was pretty well said, could not have done better myself.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Let's hypothetically ask the question, "say" (a bit out of context, but keeping with the Assange business) Assange leaked one of the missions I went on (or was supposedly going on).
I personally don't give a shit whether you believe me or not, but one of those "government infringements" brought a few war criminals to justice (2 more years, 20 year silence clause). If that information got out & crippled the mission 1, I'd be dead. 2, atrocities might still be going on or possibly worse, but I don't see how.
AFTER THE FACT!!! Sure, most times let folks in on the story. But I'm not an idiot either... I'm sure your wife/sister/girlfriend/grandmother/aunt would like advanced warning that there is a rapist waiting around the corner so she could avoid the situation. Same can be said of the bulk of government secrets.
The corruption clause starts to rear its ugly head when jerk waters want to micromanage the release of important information that could lead o public safety like it were a sword of control. Obviously those pricks have got to go. But that's NOT what Assange was doing.
Is Assange being treated unfairly? Probably, for equally good reason & for nothing more than he brought upon himself. Like every other idiot money greed attention whore, he bullshat himself into thinking he was doing all this for the good of the public. Facts are, No, he wasn't.
It became a point of vindictiveness & spite. He's poked the Rottweiler with the stick one too many times & now the thing is going for his throat; on a global scale. There are other 'whistle blower' groups out there making waves, but Assange is the one with the biggest bullseye on his forehead; wonder why?
No government is Snow White, so I'm not defending them, not like that. But this little snot isn't the New York Times or Washington Post either. What's his credentials? He's lied with swine & now he wants to complain of pig shit?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if he was trying to be Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, he's failed miserably. All he's succeeded in doing is wrapping his pathetic ass into a retarded version of Roman Polanski's life. Except Assange isn't a famous director & he's the one who's going to end up being sodomized.
Originally posted by FredBun:
That was pretty well said, could not have done better myself.
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