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PS3 will win console war say researchers
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article published on 19 August, 2006
Research firm The Yankee Group believe that Sony's highly anticipated Playstation 3 console will hold off stiff competition from Microsoft & Nintendo to dominate the battle of the consoles once more. In a press release this week, it stated it believes that, "Microsoft is off to a fast start, launching the Xbox 360 nearly 12 months before the PlayStation 3. However, by the time third-generation ... [ read the full article ]
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Zygfryd
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21. August 2006 @ 09:22 |
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Zippy: NTSC format is capable of 60 Hz and PAL is 50 Hz. So 50-60 fps in console games isn't something new, Tekken 3 on PS1 was using maximum fps TV could display, so i realy don't know why you want to go back ?
Second, xbox360 and ps3 are made with HDTV in mind, next gen games don't look much better then old gen on normal tv. At some time in the future you have to buy HDTV to get max from your new console.
So realy do you wanna play next gen games on your HDTV with 30fps ? Have you ever played in 30 and in 60 ? Take GTA3 for example on PC, first play 30 minutes with frame limiter on and then take it off. If you don't see difference then i don't know whats wrong with you, even my friend with very bad eyes see difference.
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21. August 2006 @ 10:13 |
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Zygfryd
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
NTSC is locked at 30 HD can do 60 but all non HD are locked at 30.
bascily meaning that games that do 60 will be kinda rare,in 5 years not so rare but it will mostly likely be a option untill HD tvs are a bit more mandatory...
,bah I forgot the 360 has HD outputs ><
anyway back to my point 60FPS is limited by your TV and I doutn think alot of non HD tvs will handle it well if at all.
and where dose Progressive scan fit into this is that jsut a midway point in HD TV evolution?
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
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DamonDash
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21. August 2006 @ 11:51 |
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it hardly reads burnt dvds.
Its not Sony nor Microsoft nor Nintendo fault because you dont do any research into what you buy.There you go again im not tryin to bust your chops but you cant complain where you as a customer has failed.If read the owner guide in dont not say anything about support for burned movies or much less DVD+ or - media.Only store bought DVD & Games. Its your job as a customer to know what you buying not Sony or any other console maker.
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21. August 2006 @ 12:34 |
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Well I like all the consoles and am the leaderboard of the pc game forum as well(see my sig LOL).So lets just be civilized, I don't give a shit about any of the companies behind the consoles.I hate the fanboy expression lol.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/360218
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/372948
Hell I even met zippy on the wii forum LOL
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/358605
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@Zygfryd ya got it all wrong bud.The only one capable of 1080p at 60fps for games is the ps3.But bluray offers alot more enhancements over a regular dvd.Here I don't want to explain it again so I'll just copy it from my last one lol.
They get bigger in file size with every console generation.With ps1 they were on cd's which held 700mb and that was lot for then so when dvd's came out it seemed like over kill but now games are much bigger.The games will get bigger trust me.
This happens with every next gen release.
High def cutscenes are impossible with regular dvd just like high def movies are impossible with dvd.They compress the textures on dvd.The dvd game is in "higher" res but the textures are low resolution textures.Get it?
The typical video resolution for an NTSC disc is 720 × 480, while a PAL disc is 720 × 576. The specifications for video files on a DVD can be any of the following:
* Up to 9.8 Mbit/s (9800 kbit/s) MPEG-2 video
* Up to 1.856 Mbit/s (1856 kbit/s) MPEG-1 video
* PAL:
720 × 576 pixels MPEG-2 (Called full D1)
704 × 576 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 576 pixels MPEG-2 (Called Half-D1, same as the China Video Disc standard)
352 × 288 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 288 pixels MPEG-1 (Same as the VCD Standard)
* NTSC:
720 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called full D1)
704 × 480 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called Half-D1, same as the China Video Disc standard)
352 × 240 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 240 pixels MPEG-1 (Same as the VCD Standard)
All MPEG video must be 25 frames per second on PAL DVDs. On NTSC DVDs MPEG-2 video can be either 29.97 frames per second or 23.976 frames per second, (with the player repeating frames via 3:2 pulldown to achieve NTSC's standard 29.97 frames per second) while MPEG-1 video can only be 29.97 frames per second. Interlacing is only supported for MPEG-2 video on both PAL and NTSC DVDs. 16:9 anamorphic video is only supported at 720x576/480. Note that some DVD-hardware or software players may play discs whose MPEG files do not conform to the above standards- however these discs are non-compliant with the specification for DVD-video. Some hardware players will now play DVD-ROMs or CD-ROMs containing MPEG video files - these are 'unauthored' and lack the file structure that defines a DVD-video. (These files contain extra information, such as the number of video tracks, chapters and links to extra features, which DVD players use to navigate a DVD-video).
This is not the case with bluray as bluray can output 1080p natively at 60fps.That's great for games.They can also be encoded with high def formats like VC-1 to take advantage of the high def format.
Remember I'm talking about games NOT movies.Movies are only shot at 30fps at the most but games are a different story.
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21. August 2006 @ 13:45 |
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@ damondash; boring, boring, boring. There are an awful lot of people who are unhappy with the PS2. Guess you're just another sony fanboy, no doubt from the console forums. We all know what they are like...
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.....
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spooky2k
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21. August 2006 @ 14:04 |
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well, so many ps2's are junk, and so many people aren't happy with them that sony arent selling any right now....
thats what you're saying right?
cos erm...not true.
What you mean to say (as said before) is:
i bought a ps2 thinking it would wash my hair...it wont. so its crap. i didnt check if it washed hair, but it doesnt, so its crap.
Dan x
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DJfist
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21. August 2006 @ 15:09 |
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I have a 360 and I love it. I also have a PS2 which provided me with plenty of good times over the years. I WILL BUY a PS3 eventually. I'm by no means a fanboy for any company. With those facts being said, I can't WAIT to see the looks on all these people's faces when they unwrap their shiny new PS3 and discover that it is no better than Xbox 360. I wish I could be there just so I could give them a big Nelson from the Simpon's "Ha-ha". I would laugh my ass off when they discover they just payed $600 to play the PS3 version of Madden football (or whatever game they have) and it's exactly the same as the 360 version they mocked two months prior. Do my comments sound fanboyish? To the untrained ear, sure. But what you don't realize is that I hate Sony because they are a dishonest company who makes crappy hardware and the average public still somehow thinks the Sony name is synonomous with quality. They're kinda like that guy we all know that's a womanizing boozehound but the entire town thinks he's a churchgoing saint. I bought FOUR PS2's during it's life cycle. FOUR! That's including them fixing one TWICE. You could argue that MS makes shoddy consoles as well and I might agree. BUT...Everyone gives Sony so much credit. How many people out there won't even give MS or Nintendo a chance because they think Sony can do no wrong? It's that type of attitude that fuels Sony's arrogance. I hope MS at least makes them sweat these next five years. Disc read error my ASS!
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21. August 2006 @ 17:02 |
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@pulsar I know you a little better then most here and I sympathize with your experience about ps2.I know your's really did crap out and that sucks.I know your not a "fanboy" as they say, just like me ,But see my next reply to djfist.
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I also have a PS2 which provided me with plenty of good times over the years.
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But what you don't realize is that I hate Sony because they are a dishonest company who makes crappy hardware and the average public still somehow thinks the Sony name is synonomous with quality.
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I bought FOUR PS2's during it's life cycle. FOUR! That's including them fixing one TWICE.
yeah right....What kind of idiot buys a 4th ps2 after his 3rd ones breaks down.You truley are a moron.I'm glad you showed your real motive and that's you hate sony...I won't even address the rest of your post because obviously it's your OPINION And obviously you didn't read any of our prior posts.But If I know you, you will respond the way I think you will.
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21. August 2006 @ 17:36 |
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tycobb
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so am I right about the 30FPS limit on most reg TVs?
ANd if texutes double and tripple wont that kinda be harder for even the PS3 to sustain a stable 60fps rate for games within the frist couple of years?
Mabye DJfist is a disgurntled PS2 owner lieks soe fo teh games but had to repalce it one to many times,got a 360 and it was one of the few 360s that runs fine...or hes a fanboy *L*
I dont know I've looked at soem numbers soemthign like 1/3rd of PS2 are bad but thats 6 or so years worth,the 360 has about as many faliures and its only 1 year old 0_o.
DJfist
the reason why everyone gives the PS2 creidt is becue most of most of the work,and theres enough ok to good games on ti to make it worth haveing,if your a gamer you would understand the need to paly the games where they are not wait for them to magicly get ported to 1 system becuse your to cheap to buy the other system.
ANd as far as dishonsty goes you's upgrade to a large mac and exerta super cheasy biggies fries dog.. becuse..well...MS...is...ALOT FING WORSE......sony has issues and is far from perfect....but comapred to MS their freaking nintendo........
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21. August 2006 @ 18:23 |
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@ pulsar
Y know wat, JUST buy the PS3 and see for your self, K!
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21. August 2006 @ 19:11 |
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so am I right about the 30FPS limit on most reg TVs?
ANd if texutes double and tripple wont that kinda be harder for even the PS3 to sustain a stable 60fps rate for games within the frist couple of years?
NO !!!!You have to learn the various specs and formats to get what is going on.I only provide a small portion.It depends.I know 1080p at 60fps is a big deal and is only available on ps3, but it won't make as much of an impact as we may think.
See it doesn't matter what your tv is limited to when the media has it's own limitation's and specs.
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21. August 2006 @ 19:14 |
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@zippy gosh man it's late here.Well I'll catch ya later.I like debating with you cause at least you won't flame me and stoop low.Peace.
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21. August 2006 @ 19:16 |
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21. August 2006 @ 19:20 |
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Ok then....Dont...
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s3a
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21. August 2006 @ 19:29 |
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No-one flame! (no offense)
P.S.
The words "Fan-Boy" and "Flame" get on ppl's nerves, so...if you are going to use those words, add these words "no offense". That should work :)
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22. August 2006 @ 01:16 |
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well from what I read 60FPS is jsut alot smoother than 30 fps,its like High def theres a 30-40% boost in what "most" can see,I think the 60FPS thing is mostly that but frankly the cake of it is stable 30FPS for any game no drops or loss of frames,60 is cute but unneeded,sicne it would only distract devs from gameplay and other falling designs these days.
I an see it mattering in 5 years thn more HD tvs wil be around so you get better visauls and add 60fps even smoother frames....but without a revamping of game desings it will be mroe of the crappy same with a new paint job.
BTW when I stop makeing since kick me I'll try and repharze my question with a higher IQ,and if I get fanboysh ...well..just shoot me :P
altho my discontent with the industry is on all levels and at mostly all devs <<
s3a
So your out flame and fanboys but not meaning it eh?? :P
LOL
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Zygfryd
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22. August 2006 @ 01:23 |
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@tycobb: I'm no doubt PS3 is powerful, maybe it got power to process 1080 60p but nor HDMI connection or HDTV standard are possible of displaying that. Remember its digital connection and got its own limits in data per second, and that would be a lot to push. Please show me link that states 1920x1080 60p is in HDTV standard ?
From http://www.howstuffworks.com/hdtv.htm
PS. Zippy: have you played some games on your PC ? Its not big problem to have even 100fps with full details or more if you have decent PC, so please explain me how it would be so hard for programmers ? I realy don't understand your way of thinking, do you think this will take them months of work ?
PS2.Sorry tycobb, yeah you're right i'm stupid, new HDMI 1.3 is capable of 1080p/60 and they wrote that PS3 make use of this version. There is also many more advancements to it.
From http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp
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tnarulz
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22. August 2006 @ 02:25 |
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"Second, xbox360 and ps3 are made with HDTV in mind, next gen games don't look much better then old gen on normal tv. At some time in the future you have to buy HDTV to get max from your new console."
Right now I'm on the fence of buying a 360 or a Wii, if anyone can confirm this it would definitely nudge me off the fence onto the Wii side (not trying to start any arguments a HDTV just isn't in the budget and won't be for a while).
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22. August 2006 @ 02:36 |
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to get the best from 360/ps3 you WILL need a HDTV, games will still look better on SDTV with nextgen consoles than current gen ones.
I recomend you wait and get a WII, ive played 360 on an 32" HDTV and it wasnt that great, admitidly it was Project Gotham Racing but it looked equal to if not worse to GT4 on ps2, and the race setup/menu system is way worse.
"This is how it works. Whatever you sink, we build back up. Whomever you sue, ten new pirates are recruited. Wherever you go, we are already ahead of you. You are the past and the forgotten, we are the internet and the future."-Brokep
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ChromeMud
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22. August 2006 @ 06:43 |
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I can't wait for the PS3 to be released.
I can't wait for the reviwers to say the frame rate chugs along occasionaly,or graphics don't look as phenomenal as I was expecting.The Cell...pah,if only they used an Intel or AMD cpu,I would of been interested.PC gamers have nothing to worry about this so called computer in a box.
So much hype rides on this console that it stands to be crushed by criticism when it is finaly released,if they can actualy produce it that is.
The only thing it has is the Sony name and thats enough to sell it to all the brainwashed out there.
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22. August 2006 @ 07:36 |
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The new Sony PS3 is supposed to be amazing. I researched it a little bit last year and what Sony was doing to improve and change for their customers, so I am extremely excited for it.
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22. August 2006 @ 07:37 |
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sure the PS3 is awesome but I am more worried about devign and design......
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tnarulz
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22. August 2006 @ 07:39 |
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After looking over the info available on ad about the Wii I think I'll just wait for a couple of years until HDTV's are a decent price, the programming is all figured out and just get one of those & a 360.
In the meantime WoW is certainly good enough to keep people occupied (including myself) especially with the new expansion coming out in Nov.
Spellcheck is a nice invention.
Using BitVomit hurts the swarm your in, get a decent client.
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22. August 2006 @ 11:18 |
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Yeah, These are the same people that told us that PS2 was capable of generating graphics like those used in Toy Story. We all know how that ended up.
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22. August 2006 @ 12:23 |
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DJfist
and MS said they make whole new game system...its a freaking upgrade to te Xbox and they couldnt even get BWC right and the hardware is still fcked up becuse they are slow to get the new revistions out.....at least we know SOny is goign to BS us but but MS bent us over ><
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