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Originally posted by routergod:
hello all. i have been searching the net for months now and i can not find the specific information i am looking for anywhere. there is a mind numbing amount of general information but i need very specific instructions.

i have a Foxconn K8M890M2Mb-RS2H motherboard, with Phoenix Award Workstation BIOS 6.0 PG (flashed to latest update from Foxconn, 6A4F1P31) and AMD Athlon64 3200+ CPU. i want to overclock the CPU and to whatever extent it becomes necessary also set memory timings but i want to start with just what i can do to the CPU without messing with anything else. but i can not find anything anywhere that tells me specifically what setting(s) to change in this specific BIOS to do that. i cannot find anywhere in any screen of this to change either CPU Host Frequency or FSB or any of a couple other similar settings i've seen mentioned in all the hundreds of places i look, all i can find are memory timings.

Foxconn's own FOX ONE utility lets me overclock within Windows but there are two drawbacks to that. One is that the settings don't stick by themselves, the FOX ONE must be ran at startup and i don't want something running all the time that i don't need. the other is that if i clock it up too much, due to it doing its thing when Windows starts it puts me in a state where Windows wouldn't start forcing a reinstall to get my system back.

routergod,
The problem is that there are no overclocking adjustments in the bios. You can't change the FSB,or the memory speed, so software is the only thing for you to overclock with. It's a Via chipset, which means it's slow to begin with! Without being able to alter any of these, your only option is software! It also has On board Graphics, which makes a bad situation even worse! I'm not throwing rocks, it's just not a very good motherboard for what you want to do with it! Sorry I can't be more helpful!

Best Regards,
Russ

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Unless you want a lot of hassle for maybe a couple of % tops, VIA with integrated graphics = no overclocking. Sorry.

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I think its fair to say if you want a performance boost. Buy a new motherboard of pretty much any type (excluding VIA)!

VIA boards are cr*p!
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VIA boards have always been mediocre at best. They aren't OC friendly and they always seem to have some sort of compatibility issue. I've never personally used one but the general consensus is that they're good for office machines and not much else.

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They're not even good for office machines as they're not even close to being reliable enough.

I could put something funny here but I cant be arsed. Now GO AWAY!

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I had an MSI VIA chipset board, worked alright for me. Agreed, there was no overclocking to speak of but considering it came in an off-the-shelf PC I would have been surprised if there was.

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VIA boards have always been mediocre at best.

Actually that's not entirely true, depending on how long you've been building. I'm not going to try and get the year right but back in the late 90's when the PII (Coppermine processor) reigned, the fastest Intel bus speed was 100 MHz. Clock per Clock the Intel 440BX chipset was faster than Via but Via had done something unique. Via widened the frontside bus to 133 MHz which really facilitated overclocking. The Intel chipset was overclockable to about 130 MHz but the Via Apollo Chipset would go all the way out to about 146 Hz. Now remember Intel processors were based on a 100 MHz FSB. Even though clock per clock the Intel was faster Intel's offerings were hard pressed to compete with a Via overclocked processor. Also back then the FSB was a major bottleneck to any system. This prompted some memory manufacturers such as Micron to release higher bandwidth memory to match Via's wider FSB. Via had its 15 minutes of fame.

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Originally posted by Sophocles:
back then the FSB was a major bottleneck to any system.

As far as Intel are concerned, what's new? :P

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
routergod,
The problem is that there are no overclocking adjustments in the bios. You can't change the FSB,or the memory speed, so software is the only thing for you to overclock with. It's a Via chipset, which means it's slow to begin with! Without being able to alter any of these, your only option is software! It also has On board Graphics, which makes a bad situation even worse! I'm not throwing rocks, it's just not a very good motherboard for what you want to do with it! Sorry I can't be more helpful!

Best Regards,
Russ

no worries, i ditched it and got an asus (M2N68-AM SE2 if you're curious)

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Originally posted by routergod:

Originally posted by theonejrs:
routergod,
The problem is that there are no overclocking adjustments in the bios. You can't change the FSB,or the memory speed, so software is the only thing for you to overclock with. It's a Via chipset, which means it's slow to begin with! Without being able to alter any of these, your only option is software! It also has On board Graphics, which makes a bad situation even worse! I'm not throwing rocks, it's just not a very good motherboard for what you want to do with it! Sorry I can't be more helpful!

Best Regards,
Russ
no worries, i ditched it and got an asus (M2N68-AM SE2 if you're curious)

routergod,
I sincerely wish you had run that by us here on this thread before you bought it. We could have advised you better. That's why we are here! For the same money you could have gotten a much better motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128342
6 Sata ports, better chipset and better power regulation (3+1)! It's the only motherboard I found for the same price that I would recommend. Especially since you are on a tight budget. MSI and Biostar don't have anything that inexpensive. It definitely gives you more bang for the buck, Cheap Asus motherboards are not very well supported, and the nVidia chipset is not the best for AMD, especially with On board graphics. I use this MB for my more inexpensive customer builds, and it's a decent enough motherboard for what it is. A 780G chipset would be better, but they are not in the same price range! There are others as well, but I don't even look at ECS, Asrock, Jetway or PC Chips because they just aren't durable enough.

Good luck with it,
Russ

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You could have consulted us first, that's not a very good board either. Oh well.

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i asked the original question, about overclocking the Foxconn board, in the 15 of june. i had to repeat it on the 20 of june to get even that answer. i didn't have 5 days to wait and have to ask again about what board to replace it with. my 'budget' is that i live with and do the 'man stuff' for an older lady who took me to town, walked me in a local computer store and said, its your birthday, you can spend x dollars, get anything you want. so i got the only board on the shelf that would fit my case. next year i'll ask you guys two weeks before my birthday and maybe by the day it gets here i'll know what to get.

fortunately the overclocking thing is just idle curiosity right now anyway, this bios has some little overclocking built in, and i do have an nvidia GeForce 7300 GS pci express video card so the onboard isn't bothering anything. and in case anyone has anything to say about that card it was in this computer when i moved in here.

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Well I apologise on behalf of us that we took a while to answer your question but if you're going to be so damn rude about it, then why should we bother?

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hey i thought i was answering in kind. how i felt when i got back here and read the responses:

"buying a mobo without asking us was dumb. and the one you got is dumb."

assumptions were made that i even had the option of putting any research into what board to get or even into deciding to get one. it was an opportunistic purchase not a planned one, for the reasons explained, but the climate here made me feel an idiot for doing it. so yea, it was a bit of irritation evident in my response to that. if the advice i'm going to get is going to be as elitist we're-smarter-than-you-therefore-bow-down then you are absolutely correct there is no need to bother. i'll find welcoming friendly newbie-encouraging advice somewhere or do as i have done for the 30 years ive been surviving to get this far and learn the hard way what i can't the easy way.

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We didn't say it was dumb, we said it wasn't very good. There are far worse choices out there, but ultimately, if you were limited to that shop and you bought the only compatible mobo they sold, would it have made much difference? To be fair the debate we got into when you asked us was frankly both silly and distracting, so it's not all that surprising we were late getting back to you. It's stupid to have the 'we're smarter than you' attitude here at aD because not all of us agree 100% on the components that we feel are the best. However, it's usually fair to say that most of us will never recommend anything bad, even if we don't agree on what's the best. I hope never to come across as one of the individuals that thinks they know it all because with my 10 years of experience it isn't true.

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Originally posted by routergod:
or do as i have done for the 30 years ive been surviving to get this far and learn the hard way what i can't the easy way.

that's far more constructive than your other comments, and i can identify with that point of view; in my case i'm fiercely self-sufficient, i don't like asking for help (in real life and on forums) but when i do need to ask for help i try to make sure that i ask for it in the correct way. So do you still want help or are you going to continue to moan at those who want to help ? (not from me i'm afraid i know very little about nor care much for overclocking).

:)

edited to add the smiley face so that routergod can see i'm not (always) an ogre

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Asking a question in any forum is at best a crap-shoot. The responses are more often than not in the form of opinions and personal preferences. That doesn't mean that some opinions and personal preferences are wrong, but it could mean that they are limited in perspective. Many of us who've been building for a while tend to select products that have weathered the test of time by consistently producing quality products. Quality boards can include brand names such as Asus, Gigabyte, DFI, MSI, and of late EVGA. Some might not like one or the other of these makes, and they will voice an opinion regarding their personal preferences. Some of our opinions assume that performance is paramount above all things, but I for one choose to balance performance with known build quality to insure reliability. Ask your questions but don't assume that the answers you receive are right or wrong until your research indicates that they correlate with similar responses from several experienced builders. I have thousands of posts on AD that go back to March 2003, and in that time fewer than a dozen of them were questions asking for advice, because in the end the only advice that I truly trust is my own.;P

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Originally posted by routergod:
i asked the original question, about overclocking the Foxconn board, in the 15 of june. i had to repeat it on the 20 of june to get even that answer. i didn't have 5 days to wait and have to ask again about what board to replace it with. my 'budget' is that i live with and do the 'man stuff' for an older lady who took me to town, walked me in a local computer store and said, its your birthday, you can spend x dollars, get anything you want. so i got the only board on the shelf that would fit my case. next year i'll ask you guys two weeks before my birthday and maybe by the day it gets here i'll know what to get.

fortunately the overclocking thing is just idle curiosity right now anyway, this bios has some little overclocking built in, and i do have an nvidia GeForce 7300 GS pci express video card so the onboard isn't bothering anything. and in case anyone has anything to say about that card it was in this computer when i moved in here.

routergod,
The unfortunate thing is, On Board Graphics do affect and limit certain things in most motherboards, even when turned off. The exception to that seems to be the AMD chipset motherboards, as you can completely turn off the On board Graphics without taking a memory hit, so that none of the memory remains dedicated to the graphics. It's just like removing a video card and replacing it with another! Unlike the OBG of old, when you do turn it off on the AMD chipset motherboards, it restores all the available memory to Windows up to the maximum that Windows can address!

No one should be making remarks about your video card. After all, it is what it is, Yours!

Sincerely,
Russ

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I'm pretty sure that's a recent thing. Going back a bit, AMD's earlier Radeon chipsets suffered the same ills as normal IGP boards. Realistically, any true overclocker wouldn't buy a board with integrated graphics. That level of enthusiasm doesn't match up with the abysmal performance of IGPs (As landmark as the HD3300 is, that includes it as well)

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Ok...i'll be OC'ing the Bejesus out of my Phenom II here shortly LOL! Im a little bit nervous since the core temperatures are showing differently than before! Without the Onboard graphics, I can finally get to the bottom of whats going on.

Stay tuned! LOL :D

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Ha ha! 3.5Ghz is stable at a lower voltage(1.375V). I wonder if the Vrm has something to do with it? The 12V rail is also more stable on this board. Very curious. in 8 minutes, the temperature never exceeded 52C, while averaging 51-50C. The cores were/are oddly showing less than the Cpu temperature, by an average of 1-2C. Im gonna bump it up to 3.7 after a video encode, to show the difference.

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