Let me put in the email discussion between myself and a friend to layout the problem I am having in the use of potentially using Dual Layer discs for large movies: My original discussion: Just picked up my copy of CARS today at Blockbuster (turned in some envelopes and they exchanged movies for them, as advertised). Thru in CARs into AnyDVD thought I might copy everything, since it had some neat extra features I thought my granddaughter might like to see. But it came up as only 45%. Since that was in the red zone, figured it would copy like crap so checked it without the extras (copy only the movie) and it came up at 69%, in the yellow. Which is what I finally selected. Ok, here is what I was interested in: went to the manual to see if it would say anything about Dual Layer. Thought that maybe if I copied it at DL at the get-go it would give me everything and close to 100%. That is what I would have liked to do. Now I know I can use DL when its time to burn the copy but what is the relationship then to the original AnyDVD that I copied preparing it for the final burn? Am I wasting my expensive DL disk or will it convert the 45% at that time on DL to give me a pristine, 100%, copy with all the features at the time of the final burn? Besides, I couldn’t find anywhere in the initial copy protection removal mode that allowed me to tell it I was going to finally copy it on a DL. I know I can on the final burn but not the initial. Any thoughts? Thanks. Here is his response: This is uncharted territory for me as well and appears that this may be a CloneDVD2 limitation. This would be a good question for Slysoft.com technical support. I read through the on-line documentation and does not discuss using dual layer DVD's to capture an entire DVD. My suggestion would be burn the entire movie to your hard drive (hopefully you have space available) as an ISO image to a newly created folder and then copy the files within the folder (don't include the folder) back to your dual layer DVD. The total files byte amount can't exceed the dual layer DVD free space amount. This just might do it... I believe "One Click DVD" (copying software) works with dual layer and offers a 30 day trial. http://www.lgsoftwareinnovations.com/1clickdvdcopy.asp Let me know what tech support had suggested and if burning to your hard drive and then to you dual layer worked. As you can see, there is some confusion about this issue. I would also like to know where or how I can select the DL mode, either in CloneDVD or AnyDVD or even on my Roxio, so I can use a DL disc. Anyone out there offer some suggestions? Thanks.
> As you can see, there is some confusion about this issue. I would also like to know where or how I can select the DL mode < CloneDVD supports Dual Layer, of course! In the Title selection window left to the quality bar, click on the dropdown box and select DVD+/-R DL
As elby said, that's all you have to do. Don't mess around with 1clickdvdcopy or anything else. The AnyDVD/CloneDVD2 pair is all you'll ever need, unless you want to try some high compression. But if you don't mind using DVD+R DLs to back up your DVD-9s, you will always get exact copies. Let me just mention, though, that while CD2 in theory supports DVD-R DL, I wouldn't mess with it. Stick with Verbatim DVD+R DLs.
Stop messing about. With AnyDVD running in the background, Rip in ISO mode with DVD Decrypter Write the resulting MDS file (not the iso) to your D/Layer Thats it done.
Again, thanks to all for the help. I did find the tab to designate DL and copied it in CloneDVD2. I am now going to burn it with my Roxio Creater 7 (came bundled with the computer). Here's the question: Since AnyDVD did its thing and I am using a FUJIFILM DL DVD to copy the movie using CloneDVD2 after having selected DL, will my ROXIO automatically detect and identify that I am using a DL disc and will burn in the DL mode or is there somewhere in the Roxio program/set-up (similar to selecting DL in CloneDVD2) where I indicate that I am using a DL disc and I need to tell it that so it will burn DL? Again, thanks for any help anyone can offer. This is a great site for getting information.
First of all, rethink using Fujifilm. See my sig on media issues. Verbatim's the way to go. Fuji's ok if you got lucky and got some RICOHJPN discs, but you might also have gotten Ritek. The problem with the non-Verbatim manufacturers is that you have no way of knowing who really made the discs you bought until you open the box. Second, if you want to experiment with Roxio, fine, but I think you may be going about things the hard way. CloneDVD2 will handle everything from beginning to end, and apparently is good at setting the layer break. Byngo's method is excellent although it requires more, possibly unecessary, work, but you will get a properly-set layer break. I don't know if Roxio is good at handling the layer break. A lot of people seem to think Nero and some other burning programs really aren't suited for DL discs, so that may carry over to Roxio. It's immaterial, though, since you have two of the best tools available to you - CloneDVD2 and the free DVD-Decrypter.
Okay guys im going to tell you the bestway Clone is a very good program but does not do a good job with Lay breaks.Use IMGBURN which is a freeware and also does the best job out of all the programs i tryed to use to make DL backups. Here is IMGBURN... http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cdr_software/cdr_tools/imgburn.cfm Here is your guide,also if you know how to use DVD Decrypter then this program should be eazy to use the same guy that made DVD Decrypter made IMGBURN you can say it is a uptodate ver of Decrypter. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/383878 This guide using DL to burn with IMGBURN is by arniebear so all Thxs goes to Him.
Thanks to all, again, for the excellent advise. As per using Fuji, it was a gift. When I buy, I will look for Verbatm. As to all the rest about layer break, I am not sure what that means but in watching my movies I havent experienced any problem that I am aware of. They seem to run fine. Should I be concerned in continuing to use my Roxio for the final burn? I have yet to master, nor even get a handle on completing the burn using Clone2. I run it thru AnyDVD first, then go to Clone2 and it does its thing, then I go to Roxio for final burn. It appears from the discussion I can do without the Roxio step and that somewhere, somehow, once Clone2 finishes its process I can get a final burn within the Clone2 program. Ok, great. Help me out here, where or how do I do that? Sorry for being such a dummy everyone. But if there is an easier way to do it than I am, then please educate me. New item, and please lets get the couple above put to bed first before tackling this one. A few months ago in this forum I threw out my problem of getting bad copies. A lot of pixeling and skipping and stopping. I read thru all the help given then which revolved about using the correct media. I went thru the list of using Sony, Verbatim, et al, and now have switched to Verbatim. I also burn at the slowest speed, 4X, as per forum advice. Guess no need to buy 16x media, but even 8x is hard to find. Should I go back to burning at 16X vs 4X? Anyways, switching media seemed to solve the problem. But then I had a close friend who brought up a whole new issue, and one that I didnt bring up with the forum experts: labels on the completed DVDs! Here is what he had to say regarding that: Labels are a big NO NO on copied DVD's. This is what is causing the skips and freezes. I've been through this with about 50 DVD's. What happens is that the surface where the label sits on is the same area where the data is copied. Most people think the data is stored on the bottom side of the DVD. It is stored on the top side of the DVD on the foil even though it is written through the bottom surface of the DVD. Putting a label on the DVD is OK for the 1st few weeks. As the label dries, one or two months later, it shrinks, hence pulling on the foil where the data is stored. This is what causes the freezes and skips. It is OK to use an oil based felt tip pen. This causes no damage to the foil. Go back to using the media you like and use full speed and I would bet no more skips or freezes on all new DVD's without labels. So, I have stopped using labels. And he uses some of the cheapest blank discs around. Buys them from a place out here called FRYs Electronics, maybe you have it where you live. Pays about $19 per 100 and has had no problems. Now I dont want to resurrect the media issue again, just commenting on what he has told me. Anyone care to comment on the label situation as well? Again, as usual, thanks in advance for your advice.
Here's what you do. FOLLOW THIS PROCEDURE EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO DO A BACKUP: 1. Start AnyDVD if it isn't already running. 2. Start CloneDVD2. 3. Put your source disc into the DVD burner. 4. Click Clone A DVD (the middle item in CD2's opening screen. 5. From the next screen, called "Title Configuration", enter in the drive letter (for example, E of your DVD drive. It should automatically find what's on the disc. Look at the picklist at the center on the bottom. It should say "DVD-5". If not, click it and select "DVD-5". Now, look at the slider along the bottom, the line going from red to yellow to green. If the arrow below it points to 100%, you don't need a DL disc and can back up onto a regular, 4.7 Gb DVD. Since you said you are trying to burn Cars - and I'm sure, like most movies released in the last five years, Cars requires a DL disc - click the pick-list and select DVD+/-DL. 6. From this Title Configuration screen, you can also eliminate any unwanted titlesets/extras by simply unchecking the undesired ones. You can preview them on the left-hand pane. However, since you are doing mostly straight 1:1 copies (i.e. you will see the slider along the bottom at 100%, meaning no compression is required), then you really don't need to remove anything. If in doubt, leave it in/checked. 7. Click Next. Here, in the "Audio and Subtitle Settings" screen, you can remove stuff like extra audio tracks, which can come in handy if you need to compress a DVD-9 to a DVD-5. Again, since you probably will be doing mostly 1:1 conversions, don't bother removing anything; make sure everything on the right-side is checked. 8. Click Next. This screen allows you to choose where your DVD rip will go to. If DVD Writer at the top right is browned out, it will write to your DVD writer once CD2 is finished copying the source disc to the hard drive. If you have multiple burners, select the device to want to record to. One thing about burn speed: Never set it to Maximum, which is the default. Always set it to 1/2 the burn speed of the media. I STRONGLY recommend burning 4.7 Gb discs at 4x speed only, and 8.5 Gb discs (double-layer blank DVDs) at 2.4x speed. 9. Click Go. CloneDVD2 will copy the source disc to your hard drive. If the drive your source disc is in is the same drive that you will be burning to i.e. you have only one drive, you will need to insert a new, blank DVD disc when prompted to do so. 10. Eject the disc when done and test in in a DVD player. Note that you can make additional copies by simply putting a fresh DL disc in the writer and clicking Write at the bottom left. 11. Label your new disc with a Sharpie pen; do not use anything sharp like a pencil or any stick-on labels, no matter what kind, even if they are "made for DVDs". 12. "X"ing out of CD2 using the Clone Windows X at the top right will close down CloneDVD2 and erase any temporarily-stored DVD files, which can take up lots of disc space. 13. Send Dunker a case of Guinness or some Stoli. 14. Repeat steps 1-13 everytime you want to backup another DVD. Especially step 13!
Could'nt he get by just as well with DVD decrypter & Anydvd ? And eliminate the Roxio step by burning with Decrypter Just a Thought ! It's a moot Point for me DL's are still to expensive for my tasTe & I've got plenty of SL media to go through yet ! Not knocking DL media though Verbatim Makes some of the best media SL or DL ! It's just like Lightscribe media good concept but expensive ! But I have the capability for both should I decide on it ! Good Luck & happy Burning !
I would've settled for Absolut ! Absolutely! But then again everyone has their own taste & opinions don't They ? Nestrovia or Cheers ! CiAO !
I have Roxio 7 and Version 8. Version 7 does not allow the use od DL DVD's to my knowledge. When I need to use DL's I use Roxio Version 8 and it works great. Good Luck,
Thanks to all who offered advice on how to use Clone2 and burn directly from it. Especially Dunker, for the expert and detailed procedure. Havent tried it yet but have printed it out for future reference. Wish I could send you some Guinness. I wasn't much of a beer drinker until I vacationed in Ireland, last year, and visited many pubs and tasted the joy of a good Guinness.
Well, everyone, and u too, Dunker, again thanks for the help. I just went thru Dunker's instructions, step-by-step in burning a backup copy of my movie within Clone2. Since this was my 1st time I was meticulous in following his directions exactly. Double checking my settings each step of the way. It burned within Clone2; I didnt have to take it out and do with with my Roxio burner. The finished disc came out and into my player. I am sorry to report it was nothing but CRAP! So I burned another copy and did it the old way: ran it thru AnyDVD, then thru Clone2 then the final burn in Roxio. Copy came out beautiful. I used the same type of media for both tries. Of course, perhaps the 1st try may have encountered a bad blank disc, guess the only way to test that theory is to do it again with another disc. Barring the possibility of ruining another disc, anyone have any other ideas as to what may have happened? Like I have said in the past, running them thru Roxio has given me good copies, as long as I didnt put a label on them (of which I have put on about 200 so far - gulp!, but never again).
Hmmm, maybe CD2 doesn't bitset? Try running DVDIdentifier on the disc you burned with CloneDVD2 and see if it comes up as a DVD-ROM. Then look at your Roxio-burned disc and see if it's the same. Also, look at the CloneDVD2-burned disc under the light, kind of sideways, and inspect the surface. It could be you got a bum disc. That would be extremely surprising though. But I guess if Roxio works for you, go for it. You already paid for it. You still should be able to use CloneDVD2 to rip out unwanted titles and audio (though you probably won't want to if you're burning onto DL discs) and then use Roxio for the burning.
As always, Dunker, thanks for the continuing advise. I find it very valuable. Now for another one concerning the burning process: I have followed your instructions on how to burn within Clone2 and I was wondering about some of the titles I can eliminate in the Title configuration screen. Many of them appear to be Audio files, such as AC3/6 EN or AC3/5 FR. I figured out that the FR is french and the EN must be English. Just how many of these can I eliminate without disrupting the sound on my final product? Those that are multiples of FR, EN, can they be discarded? In the Audio section I have checked off (or eliminated) those boxes that pertain to anything NOT English, such as French and Spanish, so do I need to do the same back in the Title Configuration section as well or are they something different? Same with Subtitles - gone. Of course I havent even addressed the Video Format ones yet. I always look forward to your suggestions. Thanks.
No. Once you've eliminated audio from the Audio and Subtitle Settings, like you've been doing, there is no need to uncheck anything in the previous screen unless you decide you want to eliminate a title altogether. Here's the deal on the Audio and Subtitle Settings screen: On the right side, you have the global settings. Here, you can remove an entire language, subtitles from the entire DVD. On the left, you'll see a listing of individual titles and below it are options to eliminate audio tracks, subtitles, etc. from whatever title is selected above it. As far as how any of this will impact English-language audio, not much. However, there is one thing you should know: Many DVDs offer both AC-3/2 and AC-3/6. The former is regular stereo sound while the latter is geared for surround sound. If you are certain you will never get a surround-sound speaker system then go ahead and eliminate the AC-3/6. It will save more space on the disc. However, if you have or may someday get surround sound, then AC-3/6 will still do what AC-3/2, so you can eliminate AC-3/2 and just keep AC-3/6. I have never heard of anybody having a problem with this and lots of people do it this way. This means, in the end, you should be left with only AC-3/2 EN or AC-3/6 EN. BTW, if you ever run across DTS, eliminate that, unless you have a DTS-capable receiver. DTS tends to take lots of space on a disc and if you are trying to compress, eliminating DTS goes a long way.
Good job with the CloneDVD 2 steps Dunker, You left out 1 Critical step which would have caused a poor back-up. You must set the write speed or it will be Default which is Maximum. You want it set at 2.4x for a DVD+R DL. Unless you have a Verbatim Dual Layer that your burner will support @ 4x. No faster under any circumstamces with a Dual Layer. To be "Safe" I would set the write speed at 2.4x.
