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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.

Discussion in 'Copy DVD to DVDR' started by Sophocles, Jun 5, 2004.

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  1. Doc409

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    Soph ... what can I say(?) ... it's how my mind works. I always like to see people doing new things, and I like to support it. I also like to hang around and learn something.

    jdobbs...segmented AVI and multiple pass encoding?
    I don't know this language yet. What is segmented AVI, and how would you do multiple pass encoding at the front end?
     
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    Segmented AVIs are multiple files that are all parts of a single stream. The AVI definition has 32 bit values associated with it which put a 2GB limit on file size. They're commonly used with VirtualDub (famous freeware AVI editor) and AVI_IO (capture software).

    Multiple pass is just the MPEG conversion for creating the DVD.
     
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    @Doc
    Something I didn't think to mention before is chroma upsampling. I'm assuming the Canopus device you have is designed to work with the Canopus DV codec. There's nothing wrong with that (I use it myself), but you may run into chroma problems. See this thread for more details: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33526

    If you're working in AviSynth, you can fix the problem by using the FixBrokenChromaUpsampling filter. Just load the file with this line:

    AviSource("c:\whatever\filename.avi").FixBrokenChromaUpsampling()
     
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    If anyone's interested, I started a thread to post some miscellaneous operations in DRM Pro that I don't expect to be including in a guide. I don't have much there yet, but I plan to add more. Hopefully I'll be adding things as I figure them out. That way I'll be able to remember them later.

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/108247
     
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    Thanks Vurbal

    I've subscribed to it.
     
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    No problem.
     
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    So have I. Thanks.
     
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    Vurbal's new thread and in his own words.


    Since I don't have the time or motivation to write my second DRM guide yet, I thought I'd start posting some instructions for simple operations people might get some use from. [bold]If you have any ideas to contribute, please do, but try to stay away from long, involved processes.[/bold]As a general rule, if you can explain it in a short paragraph (2 at the most) it's fine.

    Hmm! Yes Vurbal we'll keep it short. LOL

    He must've been thinking of brobear.


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    ;-)

    Hey now! I can be brief when I want to...........I just don't want to very often.
     
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    heh, i just thought of something, we should keep this thread open (for as long as it takes) and make this the BIGGEST thread on the net ;) I think the record is like 1,000,000 posts though.

    Edit: Never mind, i created a thread, its under "Safety Valve"
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/17
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    I think it's probably the longest one on AD already.
     
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    It is :) but, i would like to keep this thread open, and thats why i opened a thread in the safety valve for the WORLDS BIGGEST Thread.
     
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    After sitting dormant for 1-1/2 weeks, Soph stirred the pot, and the crowd came back strong.

     
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    Pop

    We may not reach a million and win by maximum number of posts but thanks to a few members such as Vurbal and brobear(and yea me on occassion too) we got them when it comes to word count.:)

    On a serious note, so much has happened on this thread and we've all met some really great people and that's why I think people keep coming. We did have our S-Y-K-E-S and happyusers but they were few in mumbers.
     
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    It's noteworthy that this thread has moved through some historic times in terms of DVD backups.

    1. Recode was revised more than once.
    2. DVDXCopy Express went T.U.
    3. DVD2One came out with version 1.5
    4. Shrink actually launched a transcoder with enough of a change to be called a new product.
    5. IC7 became IC8
    6. Intervideo came out with DVDCopy2
    7. DVD Decrypter was revised 2 or 3 times
    8. Folks became aware of several re-authoring programs,

    and most important (and the winner of the contest if you want to call it that), a DVD Rebuilder-CCE user group was spawned from this thread.

    All this in 4 months. Things change.



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    This is true, this Thread brought out a lot of products that would probably not had light shine on them, and most of them are pretty good (DVD Copy 2, and IC8 inparticularly) it also let people know about how easy (with Vurbals guide(s), many thanks to him) RB/CCE can be to use.

    My final vote(s):
    If you have time: RB/CCE
    If not : DVD Copy 2 Platinum

    EDIT: Did copy with Shrink, and found that Copy gives good results faster then Shink 3.2
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    I would think if your in a hurry DVDshrink isn't very fast unless your in low quality mode which kind of defeats the purpose.
    DVDcopy2 is fast and good at the same time.

    Anyway, if I'm in a hurry I kick a few extra computers on the RBfarm. A lot faster than shrink.

    With batch mode it's hard to get into much of a hurry. You can do several movies overnight with or without RBfarm.
     
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    I just did a test on one of the kid's movies, because I usually don't send them through RB-CCE ... or do any editing either:

    Using AnyDVD to start on a 6.5 GB DVD, I used DVD2One 1.5 to encode in 24 minutes, and burned in 14 min at 4x. The quality was great. I then decided to try a quick Shrink to compare. Not so good. It took about 5 minutes longer, and the quality was noticabley less. In fact, the DVD2One quality is better than what I've come to expect out of a 2-1/2 hour Shrink deep analysis with enhancements.

    While the Farm is great for encoding...and I hope to be on it soon...there is a fair amount of time spent getting a file ready for RB-CCE. With a lot of the kid's movies, I find I can take the quick and easy route with AnyDVD and DVD2One.

     
  20. brobear

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    DVDCopy2 to 30% compression
    Over 30% compression RB/CCE
    Nero with Recode2 for older movies to 30%
    3.2 DVD Shrink
    DVDXCopy Platinum
    DVD2One
    Alcohol 120%

    All of these tools do an excellent job and I use them all. I'm still learning some others. RB/CCE is a standout because it gives great encoding results and at compression levels where the others falter. I like all the others for various reasons and they all produce excellent quality movies. So, my choice is 1 and 6 more. Other than RB/CCE being really good, this thread will never come to a complete agreement because you have the human factor and some excellent software products. We all have or favorites for various reasons. Surprised we even come close on the RB.
     
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