Guys

BEWARE : The CMC Datawrite 8x yellow DVD-R

Terrible media

I wonder if the TTGO2 media code is real on those Yellow DataWrite disks. I have used quite a few TDK's with the TTG02 code and never had any problems with them at all. No problems with Burning and they still read months later and with no CRC errors and tested good on the transfer test with Nero CD speed as well.

Hi Slayer912

out of a batch of 25, 3 disks worked the rest are recognised but will not burn with my writer.

These CMC Datawrite 8x yellow DVD-R's are Rubbish and many sellers will not own up to the fact that these discs stink

NO HASSLES!!! QUICK CASH!!! [REMOVED]

Buh bye moron. Instead of "jagal" you're nick should've been "jagoff".

I wish I could get rid of people like that!

Start saving in a bribe acct and learn where to spend your money wisely. Then you may one day be a mod. ;)

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But since ive moved away from thes + format disc and went with maxell - r's not a bad disc yet. Does anyone know if it has anything to do with + format?

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Your probaly experiencing compatability issue's because your + R disc's are not been booktyped to DVD-ROM. Some Burner's cannot do this and basically the + Disc is useless unless equipment can read + R media. In my experince you will get the highest compatability with a good quality DVD+R disc booktyped DVD-ROM.

Any of the many DVD identify programs will tell you if your Disc is DVD ROM book typed.

Sounds good if you read it and don't pay attention to several facts. Most players are compatible to +R if they are compatible to -R. The only difference is on some early equipment when +R was just coming on line.

One should note as well that some of the top +R media is book typed +R and not ROM. There I am referring to Ricoh, who produces +R and +RW for many of the top brands.

Too many assumptions made on that partial quote to draw a conclusion like the one given. Also, the given conclusion is erroneous.

Sounds good if you read it - One should note as well that some of the top +R media is book typed +R and not ROM.

My friend, is there an ounce of an erroneous conclusion to the above?. Equipment directly must be first capable of reading the plus disc. A plus disc without a book type of DVD ROM will undoubtedly fail (In alot of cases) on said equipment that is not manufactured to read such disc's, Mass Increases in compatability are achieved thus fold By the addition of the DVD ROM Book type code (The Burner withstanding, Capable of bit setting) how can this be erroneous? a fable not, in my testing a winner. That aside the advantage of higher speeds, lower cost will eventually see the plus format outshine the minus for good!!!

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One should note as well that some of the top +R media is book typed +R and not ROM. There I am referring to Ricoh, who produces +R and +RW for many of the top brands.

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To my knowledge, it would be against the DVD recordable specification for any manufacturer to book type any plus (media - as in new from the shops) as DVD ROM.

on a lighter note... Yes DVD - has it's charms too..

What is the poo quotient getting to be?

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My friend, is there an ounce of an erroneous conclusion to the above?

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A pound or more. ;)

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Your probaly experiencing compatability issue's because your + R disc's are not been booktyped to DVD-ROM. Some Burner's cannot do this and basically the + Disc is useless unless equipment can read + R media. In my experince you will get the highest compatability with a good quality DVD+R disc booktyped DVD-ROM.

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Your probaly experiencing compatability issue's because your + R disc's are not been booktyped to DVD-ROM.
If that was the case, then a great many people would suffer the same as much of the +R media sold is not book typed ROM, simply +R.
Only the very early equipment had a problem working with +R. Very often the equipment wouldn't read any recordable media and required the factory ROM discs to play. Mass compatibility makes your statement an error.

Some Burner's cannot do this and basically the + Disc is useless unless equipment can read + R media.
Most burners don't booktype the media ROM and most players unless they're cheap or very old do read +R media that isn't book typed ROM. This type issue disappeared early in development. Error due to outdated reasoning.

In my experince you will get the highest compatability with a good quality DVD+R disc booktyped DVD-ROM.
There you have me, no idea of what your experience is. However my experience has gone to show many players play the +R media book typed +R flawlessly. That comes from actually reading the book type of the recorded media being played. Who knows? lol

Additional conditions can be made for anything, equipment compatibility has been mentioned on numerous occasions and I doubt we need a rehash here.

Yes, DVD does have its charms...

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If that was the case, then a great many people would suffer the same as much of the +R media sold is not book typed ROM, simply +R.
Only the very early equipment had a problem working with +R. Very often the equipment wouldn't read any recordable media and required the factory ROM discs to play. Mass compatibility makes your statement an error.

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'Mass compatibility makes your statement an error?', compatibility is what takes us all here to these forums in the first place. We seek to have media and equipment that takes us that closer to Mass compatibility as you say and I for one am are part of thousands (Millions?) of people that have media not play on some equipment, The DVD ROM booktype can help (I agree not in all cases but in the majority). I'm not here to debate anything with you, simply stating a fact.

What is the poo quotient getting to be?
Lol, Bear's are big so I would guess 100 pounds..Ha Ha

DVD has it's charms and DVD loves DVD ROM! ;)

Manu_DVD

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What is the poo quotient getting to be?
Lol, Bear's are big so I would guess 100 pounds..Ha Ha

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Unfortunately you didn't have the good sense to understand the question was a rhetorical one for you; stating your bullshit was getting deep. Seems your defense of an ignorant assertion is about as juvenile as dropping to trying to belittle someone by belittling their choice of avatars.

Anyone wanting to check out your assertions can simply download DVDInfoPro (freeware) and check out the book type on some +R media. Childish personal attacks don't change the fact that your assertions have holes in them. Many people complain of problems when trying to reset the booktype to ROM. In fact, it depends on the drive if it will even work properly. So, where is the proof for your statement when everything I hear is to the contrary. Glad it worked for you, but for most it isn't needed and in some cases can't possibly work.

I pointed out how anyone can check what I'm saying, DVDInfoPro analysis (free). Plus, a simple search of the forum and net on ROM booktyping will show further support of what I say. Now Manu_DVD, you can give us your supporting info and give us the directions on how you go about setting the ROM book type on your system. Give us a few pointers besides throwing out the statements.

Just a thought to leave everyone with. If changing to ROM booktype was an important aspect of recording DVD Video, wouldn't it make sense that the leading recording programs would have the feature. Sonic, InterVideo, SlySoft, and many other popular companies don't incorporate it. Wonder why?

brobear

Your belittling yourself. I don't need to use bullshit,ignorant,juvenile,Childish
to point out a few Innocent things here.

AND wait a minute, belittling 'their' choice of avatars? Are you for real man?

Your clearly very confused by bitsetting, my "assertions" yes can be checked out by any disc info tool, but what was my Original assertion? Did you read? let's be fair, many points you remarked upon have ground brobear, but why should you blame me? I didn't invent the indifference!! Is it not an advantage to book type DVD ROM, Doesn't the standard dvd disc come with a DVD ROM booktype? DVD-r cannot be booktyped. your repeating points that I have already been mentioned in compatability with equipment, read man.

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If changing to ROM booktype was an important aspect of recording DVD Video, wouldn't it make sense that the leading recording programs would have the feature.

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Most of them do my big furry bear friend. Nero, DVD Decrypter and even the aforementioned 'assertion' tool DVDInfoPro (freeware) all have the ability to book type DVD ROM. (Not my original assertion)

On a Serious note, I'd like to point out to you that I take offence of your remark that I have madeChildish personal attacks against you. This is a false and frankly stupid thing to bring into a friendly conversation about DVD media. My lightened avatar remark aside, at least I'd expect a 'Senior Member' to obatin to some formal rules. I can take a Joke man, I hope you can too..

I care no longer for a reply to this..DVD Finalized............
Disc ID DVD+R, BOOKTYPE: DVD-ROM

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Most of them do my big furry bear friend. Nero, DVD Decrypter and even the aforementioned 'assertion' tool DVDInfoPro (freeware) all have the ability to book type DVD ROM. (Not my original assertion)

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First of all you pursue your juvenile behavior and try to bait with personal innuendo once again. Grow up. Furry or otherwise, you assume too much. Your adversarial behavior shows an asinine personality I would want nothing to do with.

As far as the software mentioned; the apps are popular utilities and a burning suite. They hardly rate as a majority or even a small minority of the recording programs on the market. Only Recode 2 can claim to be a top recording program. I'll give the Recode portion of Nero credit as a good recording/encoding program. That individual program doesn't alter book types though. Once again showing your opinion on needing to book type for good compatibility is erroneous.

As I said, you can go behind your original statements and make all the supporting statements you wish. It won't change the fact that you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Your simplistic point is only one of the few times I've seen the topic of book typing brought up. As I pointed out, most of the major programs don't incorporate it, and many of the drives won't change book types even if the software is in place.

People like you come on the forum with some obscure methodology and try to show the members their brilliance. As in this case it turns out to be both a relic and a poor practice. Anyone wanting to follow your advice is welcome to do so. I'd advise against it and maintain it is a waste of time and effort with current software and firmware.

Don't you think there would be intelligent people on the forum advocating the method if it was reliable? Furthermore, don't you think everyone would already be doing it if book typing to ROM was necessary? As I asked, wouldn't the big software names be advocating it and utilizing it if it was a necessary feature. Don't waste people's time trying to protect your egocentric point of view.

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I care no longer for a reply to this..DVD Finalized

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I think you sealed your fate when you made your opening statement. I only mentioned the absurdity so newbies wouldn't be misled. Don't flatter yourself there was ever an intellectual exchange. My only intent was to point out that anyone would be wasting their time paying attention to a post such as yours about book typing as a compatibility fix for +R media. Doubt you really finalized yourself, bad reruns keep popping up.

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It won't change the fact that you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

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The truest thing you said about yourself all day :)

You can keep your words long and abrasive but keep them clean.

More childish drivel. You act like a child trying to bait an argument for fun. I've never seen the humor in it. Since I refuse to argue with children, the forum is yours Manu_DVD. I don't think anyone is going to take you very seriously.

Brobear,
It has been a while since the book type mattered much to me but I believe the present iterations of the programs I use including Nero and DVDdecrypter use DVD-rom booktype on DVD-R and +R media. This did help at the time with some problems of compatability but seems less important nowdays.

My older burns show up in DVDdecrypter as Ricoh +R Booktype and down below it read Booktype +R.

Now all my burns show The same at the top but say DVD-rom booktype at the bottom.
It is not bitsetting that does it. The only time I heard of using bitsetting was on +R drives that were flashed to allow -R booktypes.

The usefullness is this information is questionable.
The burn parameters on most burning programs are already set for maximum compatibilty. No bitsetting needed.

Donald.
Thank you for pointing out the information on bitsetting. I was just pointing out the lack of need for changing +R to ROM book type. You put it best when you said,

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It has been a while since the book type mattered much to me ...

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or to anyone else very much. There are a few programs left that use booktype, i.e. Nero Burning ROM and DVD Decrypter. But as I pointed out, the number is so infinitesimal as to be negligible because the need for booktyping is no longer there. To illustrate how rare booktyping is, take into account the limited software and then look at the limited number of drives that can utilize the procedure.

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The burn parameters on most burning programs are already set for maximum compatibilty.

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Well put. Another point that reenforces what I was saying, thanks.

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There are a few programs left that use booktype

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To my Knowledge, Nero only recently Introduced it, after a mass campaign, LG introduced their lastest firmware to allow their Multi drives to bitset.

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Don't you think there would be intelligent people on the forum advocating the method if it was reliable? Furthermore, don't you think everyone would already be doing it if book typing to ROM was necessary? As I asked, wouldn't the big software names be advocating it and utilizing it if it was a necessary feature. Don't waste people's time trying to protect your egocentric point of view.

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If book typing to ROM was necessary? Well it isn't, my Original point said that a book typed DVD+ disc could be.

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The usefullness is this information is questionable.
The burn parameters on most burning programs are already set for maximum compatibilty. No bitsetting needed.

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What Information? maximum compatibilty cannot be acheived yet and by default, Nero tries to book type my disc.

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People like you come on the forum with some obscure methodology and try to show the members their brilliance. As in this case it turns out to be both a relic and a poor practice. Anyone wanting to follow your advice is welcome to do so. I'd advise against it and maintain it is a waste of time and effort with current software and firmware.

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I never came here to offer anything except advice (That was asked) in what I beleive to be right. If it works for you then fine, if not, Ok!, what's the harm in that?. I never said I am right, I'm not, I don't think I am and that's fine!.

You on the other hand babble incoherently, often repeating, misjudging the point, rude (Read the remarks he made - False) forcing your view oblivious to the Original post that brought up this.
Don't flatter yourself there was ever an intellectual exchange? Certainly a bold statement, since you seem hell bent on dictatorship? or a flat scenario. Your word isn't God neither is mine so
don't flatter yourself either, English isn't my first Language.

Manu

If you'll noctice, the freeware apps DVDshrink and DVDdecrypter have no bitsetting capability.
Yet when you are done and you see the information on the screen from DVDdecrypter the physical booktype burned to the DVD denoted near the bottom says DVD-ROM.
This is the default for the all the progems I use.

Nero has had bitsetting capability for quite some time. It was being used on old Nec 1100s for -R compatability. Old news.

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If you'll noctice, the freeware apps DVDshrink and DVDdecrypter have no bitsetting capability

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Incorrect, actually, If you take real notice, both these programs offer a Bitsetting capability.

If someone can say otherwise about this I stand Seriously Corrected!

In Shrink: If you look at the Backup tab, then use your burner as the target, Burn Settings, You will find this option: Book type DVD-ROM, this is the program attempting bitsetting (Burner permitting).

If on the other hand like you mention, are finding your Disc's (Only plus media is capable of the DVD ROM book type by specification) then your burner is automatically booktyping DVD-ROM by default or perhaps a firmware.

I am not a stupid person but I am stupid when it comes to DVD types. I bought a 25 pack of Maxell DVD-r 4x. Out of the 25 I got 2 good burns. Before that I had bought a 25 pk of Memorex DVD+R 4x and out of the 25 I got 25 coasters. I used the same DVD software on both Apollo DVD Copy. I take it it is not the software but the media?

The Nec 1100s are +R and were originally booktyped to -R for compatability.
Now the default is DVD-ROM. No modification to settings necessary.
All 6 of my drives burn DVD-ROM booktype with any combination of programs I use.
You have to look pretty hard for a player sold now that isn't going to play all the formats.
This make any additional discussion about booktype compatibility moot.