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PS3 will win console war say researchers
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article published on 19 August, 2006
Research firm The Yankee Group believe that Sony's highly anticipated Playstation 3 console will hold off stiff competition from Microsoft & Nintendo to dominate the battle of the consoles once more. In a press release this week, it stated it believes that, "Microsoft is off to a fast start, launching the Xbox 360 nearly 12 months before the PlayStation 3. However, by the time third-generation ... [ read the full article ]
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22. August 2006 @ 14:30 |
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Zygfryd
Normal TVs are stil limited to 30FPS ,and the 60most games sue are a frame skiping trick and not realy "60" fps,as for the PS3 doing large textures in 1080p/60 I dotn see them doign it just yet,normal tetutres ya I can see that but new highly detailed....I dout ....it normal takes a dev and sony 2 years to start getign good at deving for a console...altho this one has been held off from lauching so mbaye they ahve had a full 1 or 2 years to dev it....
tycobb
I got confued on the whole 30FPS,intrelaceing and 60fps with frameskiping thing for normal TVs ><
Game can do it becuse they software tricks can do it.
tnarulz
the WII is for everyone theres nothing wrong with that :3
hell I am one cheap bastard and I will get one when it comes out,not even got a Xbox yet I want to get one,sicne the 360 is in bad shape right now it aint worth 200 much less 400.
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22. August 2006 @ 14:34 |
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well said, so ps3 then wii
then wait till my unkle gives me his 360, he gave his xbox and 25 games when he got the 360 =)
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22. August 2006 @ 14:57 |
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bah the PS3 is 600 right now with a downrade in spes then what it was a year or 2 ago and jsut wait till they get it out and its gets another one *L* altho if you are happy with one I can bug you about it :P
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
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22. August 2006 @ 20:49 |
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"I can't wait for the PS3 to be released.
I can't wait for the reviwers to say the frame rate chugs along occasionaly,or graphics don't look as phenomenal as I was expecting.The Cell...pah,if only they used an Intel or AMD cpu,I would of been interested.PC gamers have nothing to worry about this so called computer in a box.
So much hype rides on this console that it stands to be crushed by criticism when it is finaly released,if they can actualy produce it that is.
The only thing it has is the Sony name and thats enough to sell it to all the brainwashed out there. "-
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22. August 2006 @ 21:03 |
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Honestly its like i said before. I dont know about anyone else, but the only time i ever play games is with friends. The past couple of years I cant recall one time there was ever a prolonged period of time where we played playstation; it just doesnt happen. For people with friends playstation blows because it was made for people to play it by themself. I know its hard, but jus let go. You know as well as anyone you cant recall the last time you played playstation with more than one person and theres a good reason why. Jus think about it thats all im asking.
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22. August 2006 @ 22:18 |
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@Zygfryd your chart and link isn't even talking about the tv, it's talking about the broadcast signal.You know the signal output from your satellite box or whatever? Yeah the ps3 will have hdmi spec 1.3 which is definitely capable as you now know.
There aren't many 1080p tv's out there right now and they are really expensive.It depends from model to model but most of the 2006 ones will be able.They except 60 fps, as you can see 50/60 hz refresh rate.
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Remember I'm talking about games NOT movies.Movies are only shot at 30fps at the most but games are a different story.
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22. August 2006 @ 22:39 |
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The Cell...pah,if only they used an Intel or AMD cpu,I would of been interested.PC gamers have nothing to worry about this so called computer in a box.
There aren't any processor's on the market that can even touch the cell.ALL THREE CONSOLES PROCESSORS will be ibm power pc processors NONE will be intel or amd.Although I agree pc gamers will have nothing to worry about.
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Honestly its like i said before. I dont know about anyone else, but the only time i ever play games is with friends. The past couple of years I cant recall one time there was ever a prolonged period of time where we played playstation; it just doesnt happen. For people with friends playstation blows because it was made for people to play it by themself. I know its hard, but jus let go.
Wtf are you smoking lol? It's up to the game developer to decide how many players it will support.Ever heard of multitap?
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22. August 2006 @ 23:15 |
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22. August 2006 @ 23:35 |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Muhuhahaha so much for games not exceeding dvd's eh?
ahaha hate to say I told ya so, but even I never expected it as early as launch!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3539<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
First of all, the article says the biggest PC game to date only requires 7 gigs. So we are meant to believe that Resistance: Fall of man, a Sony published game mind you, requires 3 times more space than the most demanding PC game on the market. I would like to point out my own personal website www.bridgesforsale.com. Take a look a my wide selection of bridges I have for sale. LOL! Have you bothered to look at that game? It looks no better than call of duty 2. Sony feeds the press this BS so they can make Blu-ray look better. "See everyone, Bluray IS Neccessary. PULLEASE!
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22. August 2006 @ 23:50 |
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Why do you think the biggest pc game is 7gb?
Because that's what fits on one dvd disc.Pc's don't have enough people with bluray/hd-dvd drives yet and until they do it will be 7gb max.
The link is real and it's legit info.It wasn't sony it was the game developer that said that.It's exactly as expected only sooner and yes I have looked at the game and I must say it's impressive.It's still in development and will only look better as time goes by.
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22. August 2006 @ 23:53 |
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Wow Ty, that was a triple banger, nicely done! LMFAO!
My two cents on all this, who cares!?! Thought everybody has learned that this leads to nowhere....fast. Its a VIDEO GAME SYSTEM!!!!! Yeah, I agree with those of you that focus on reality, especially that the ps3 is just a way to push bluray technology. But to say the ps3 will fare the best out of the next gen 3 is pretty lame.....still not out for a while yet people already decided on how the outcome will be. I love Sony, but have my doubts how well the PS3 will be taken WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE!! As of right now, I will hapilly put my money towards the Wii, but will not hesitate to pick up a ps3 when/if it performs as well as a few of you fanboys expect it to.
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23. August 2006 @ 00:06 |
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It's true sony is pushing the bluray thing but as a game format it does seem impressive a 22gb game that is.I don't care about bluray movies to much, but for games bluray looks killer.I certainly have my doubts about ps3 in many catagories.
The wii looks killer too I want one.I know games aren't all about raw horse power and graphics(ps3,x360) and the wii will be more affordable.I am awaiting the wii like a kid.I hope they get back on top, because gamecube for me was a not what nintendo is capable of.
In terms of games I always loved mario,zelda,metroid etc because that's what I grew up with.I saw the new mario galaxy and it looks awesome.
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23. August 2006 @ 02:51 |
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>>>>>>>>>>>Why do you think the biggest pc game is 7gb?
Because that's what fits on one dvd disc.Pc's don't have enough people with bluray/hd-dvd drives yet and until they do it will be 7gb max. >>>>
Before you "triplebang" me, realize that you are 100% misinformed about the way PC's play games. PC's do NOT read off the CD/DVD drive the way consoles do. PC's read off their internal hard drive. Ever wondered why when you first put in the disc of a PC game it says "INSTALL"?? The only reason you need to put the disc in the drive when you play is to verify to the program that you have a store bought disc in your possession. There are actually many easily done hacks that eliminate the need for a disc at all after you've installed the game. If a pc game required more than 7 GB it would just be on more than one DVD. It's that simple. Ask anyone who knows thing 1 about PC gaming and they'll tell you the same thing. BTW,DVDs hold 8BG not 7. Nice try....
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23. August 2006 @ 03:14 |
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Whoever thinks the PS3 will sell because it has a bluray player in it is nuts! Nobody cares about the bluray! Think how many people are out there in this world. Then think about how many actually care about a bluray player. Maybe 1 out of a billion. Nobody cares. Who is going to make a movie that is 30gb worth of film? Who the hell would watch something that long? This is kind of like a Bentley. Over priced with nothing special about it. If I had the money I'd still buy a Toyota over a Bentley. Why spend extra money on something you don't need? The only thing it would be good for is putting complete seasons on one disc. That 22gb game is a bunch of BS! Don't let them fool you. If you read it it says 'Reportedly'. That is not cold hard facts. It did not say 'Definetly'. Of course they are going to say anything to make them look good and to try and make gamers hold off and get that overly priced hunk of junk system. Wii will triumph over all of them!
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23. August 2006 @ 03:19 |
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DJfist
......your just not a happy person are you?
Even with todays PC games they rarely hit 6GB+ becuse once unpacked from a DVD thats all they unpack,I think FF11 was 8 or 10GB but that has to do with bloatware and not textures and such.
Now mind you they get to skip most limits for and the frist BR games arent goign to be all that but what it dose have is ahell of alot of potinail....
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23. August 2006 @ 03:20 |
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The really interesting thing here is how Sony has gone from being the absolute market leader with a market share greater than the main competition combined to merely being expected to have the largest minority share of the market.
This despite the claims about the supposedly 'obvious superiority' of PS3.
I am no fan-boy for either 'camp' but as for the supposed PS3 'trumph card'?
Well in view of the current state of play I defy anyone to see an HD DVD image and compare it to a BR image and tell me that they can see the difference without just guessing
(and given some of the reviews that is probably being kind to BR on the basis of it's potential because there are now reviews that have been seriously underwhelmed by the BR performance to date).
Cost effectiveness is the big deal and so far BR is around twice the price of HD DVD.
HD DVD has been demonstrated to a disc capacity of 45gb.
BR to 50 and in one lab report 100gb.
Big deal.
45gb is more than enough for any sane idea of a practical application (and both technologies are very immature and no doubt hold surprises yet).
So, I don't expect PS3 to romp away with the prize (and neither does this report) and I do think folks who place all their eggs in the BR basket as the answer are kidding themselves.
Just as PS2 did not become the 'main' DVD player in the home, anywhere I know of, so PS3 is IMO unlikely to become the next gen HD machine in the home.
Frankly if I were an investor in either technology I'd be raging mad cos the failure to reach a workable and consumer-friendly 'solution' to this so-called 'format war' simply means High Def DVD (of whatever format) is going to be one very long slow burn and a hell of a lot less profitable for those concerned
(which actually places the BR camp at a major disadvantage as their system has been the far more costly).
Carry on with the pissing contest and fan-boy ravings all you like but IMO it really is just failing to see the woods for the trees.
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23. August 2006 @ 03:23 |
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.....one last thing.
I forgot to mention.
Super-sized games that 'need' vast disc sizes?
More like huge amounts of soon to be very tedius FMV (that because it's meant to be such a visual 'wow' you probably can't skip so it becomes even more annoying in a short space of time.
I've yet to see the game that really and honestly justified a DL DVD never mind anything bigger.
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23. August 2006 @ 03:29 |
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and dont let MS fool you it wont matter of corse it will matter but most likely in 2 or 4 years around the time MS will have to paly catch up and release the Xbx2 if they want to stay in the power game.
SOny has a plan for the long run,and msot likely will do well,however its frist 2 years will be hard for it.
even iff the PS3 gets another cut in "specs" it will still be the "better" system unless MS is able to win ALOT of devs over.
hughjars
the PS3 price is BS BUT! it dose seem to have hughe potinal for Console gameing.
the 360 is dead to to..mabye in a year or 2 when the hardware is fixed and it has more games and has better BWC but for now its dead.....
the WII has everythign a console needs qauilty and inovation,with this nintendo is going do alot of damage to Sony and MS.
with the PS3 being 500+ unless you are rich you will ahve all systems day one but its laways been that way I guess.the PS3 has the msot potinal witht the WII and 360 follwing behind,the WII has the most inovation with teh PS3 and 360 follwoing behind,the 360....has...well...its out now 0-o
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23. August 2006 @ 03:30 |
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the whole reason bluray has such crap reviews is becuase its still using a crap codec, on BD's have been releasedb using a real high def. codec.
The one thing all that space will be good for is less compression, less compression in games means less loading times and quicker file access. Also with the read speeds of BD games will load way quicker than DVD's.
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That 22gb game is a bunch of BS! Don't let them fool you. If you read it it says 'Reportedly'. That is not cold hard facts
reportedly could mean anything, it could mean thats what they expect it to be when finished or what its currently at. Even if they are majorly exadurating then it would still be at least 10-15gb easy.
All in all the WII will still be my first console.
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there are some thigns they can do BR but frnkly with most normal textures and such..its goign to be 2 or so years befor they can make real good use of it,and thats a good cooling off period for a new system.
In all this system is worth getting...but mabye for a desent price of 450 or 400....500 with tax...but right now this min 600+tax for a simi bloated system...bah....
I can wait...I can dig up a Xbox and be happy with it......cant wait for the wii tho...must it wii...mario told meeee......
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23. August 2006 @ 03:36 |
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OMG I see reason within a psot *huggles post*
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Anyway yup thats why BR is scking mostly bad codecs,as for games it has alot of potinal I dont see the fully tapping it for acouple years tho.
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23. August 2006 @ 03:54 |
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That's exactly what I meant.A standard single layer dvd holds a little over 8gb in most cases.The game comes on the disc.It reads from the hdd of what was installed from the disc which is about 7gb and 8.5 max.Tomb raider legend was 7.4 gb anything over 8.5 would need another dvd or a dual layer which is expensive.
bluray as a ps3 game format forces the developers to pay for the expensive bluray disc's and that's why they will want to fill up those discs to the brink.Pc game developers and porters have no one forceing them or incentive to spend the extra money.This is the reason many think ps3 games will be very expensive because bluray costs the devs alot of money per disc.
@djfist you are the one that makes no sense at all and are misinformed.
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23. August 2006 @ 04:25 |
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So anyways my thoughts are the ninteno wii and ps3 will probably win this go around.
wii seems like a clear choice with a low price point,great exclusives,innovation.This system has to much to offer for its price tag.I admit the lack of HDTV support and raw horsepower is abit of a let down.Nevertheless this will be lots of fun.
ps3 has raw horsepower always has had great games.It's truely next gen unlike xbox1.5 .I am concerned about the overall stability and will wait till they come out and see what people say.Hopefully they will show why they are the market leader as they have when they crushed ms and nintendo last time.
x360 I think ms did a good job at getting the 360 out a year earlier and has some great games.I'm happy with my 360 but am not impressed.Wtf happened to the models looking like real humans? Hopefully gears of war and halo 3 will change my mind.After all the add-on crap it's about as expensive as ps3.
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23. August 2006 @ 04:26 |
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err tycobb a single layer dvd only has 4.5gb, a dual layer one has around 8.5gb. But yea the games files are decompressed/installed to the hdd, and minimal amounts of files are actually run from the disc at time of playing.
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23. August 2006 @ 04:29 |
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Aye thanks.Yeah I always said dvd-5/dvd-9 so it's no wonder I'm confused.Nevertheless the point remains intact.
edit***btw that's also the reason most pc games aren't over 4.7gb so they can fit on the single layer ones and save the publisher/devs money.Only a few pc games like tomb raider legend have shipped in the 7gb range on the doubles.
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