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New upscaling DVD player from OPPO

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While Sony and Toshiba were competing for attention for their one another cheaper high-def players, a company was developing a quality Upscaling DVD player. OPPO Digital has recently announced its new and hot DVD player capable of up-converting DVD quality video into Full HD glory. OPPO DV-983H is not necessarily for the masses. While Toshiba HD DVD paperweights are pretty much cheaper ...

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#1
Hi Matti! Welcome to the news-secton! (First time I've seen your name on a news item; but then I wasn't looking too hard). <gg>

That's a fine-looking player. It's likely as state-of-the-art as present-day DVD is ever going to be, before the whole world turns Blu. (If it ever does, and can get past "niche" status).

It seems to be a cost-effective alternative to blu-ray for now anyway. I can't get a blu-ray player where I am (Canada) for under $600+, and every blu-ray disc title here in the stores, costs ~ $35.

I HATE being an early-adopter. So, I'm going to wait awhile. Maybe when I see a blu-ray-player-price the same as this OPPO model, I'll take the plunge.
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#2
Hmmmmmm......

The internals appear to be a tad.... (ummmm)... 'skimpy', though. (Or maybe it's just "me", I dunno).

It's got all the best inputs and outputs though!


#3
Bit ugly looking.
While upscaling is great, it still doesnt pack a punch compared to true hd (bd/hddvd).
Theres only so much information on a dvd they can work with.
#4
JimmyNice Suspended due non-functional email address
You live in Canada and can't find a player for under $600?!?... really. I live in Fredericton NB Canada, and the Futureshop next door to where I work has 3 regular players for under that price.... just visit their website to verify. The stand alone players are a Sharp and a Sony each for $499.00 and a Samsung for $449. Not to mention I can go buy a new PS3 (if I didn't already have one) for $399... the same price as this "Woo Hoo" upconverting DVD player.

Why in the world would I spend $399 on an upconverting dvd player (which again even the best upconverting is never going to match true 1080p original source, you're just stretching the existing picture)... When for the exact same amount of cash I can get a system that plays Blu-rays, PS3 games, is a great media center, has more USB connections and is wifi ready... oh, not to mention a rock solid upconverting dvd player... Some of the best upconversion I've seen is on the PS3.... And as for buying disks.. I just look for deals between HMV and Futureshop... I've never spent more than $25 for a blu-ray movie... some $20. Most I see are between 24.99 and 29.99 with the sony animation ones being the exception at 34.99... which in all honestly isn't that far off DVD's in their first year or two of existance...

I'm not going to knock anyone that would want to go this route, but why buy something that only plays the dvd collection you have and gives you no room to grow.

Just my penny times 2.
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#5
Originally posted by JimmyNice:
You live in Canada and can't find a player for under $600?!?... really.
Yeah, really. So you wanna split hairs? Perhaps I should have said, "About $600".

Two cheapest players you mention:

$449.99 + 13% tax = $507.37 + 'Ext. Warranty' = ???
$499.99 + 13% tax = $564.99 + 'Ext. Warranty' = ???

Everything else is $600+.

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I live in Fredericton NB Canada, and the Futureshop next door ... just visit their website to verify.
Been there, done that. Ain't going back.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13165.cfm

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Not to mention I can go buy a new PS3 (if I didn't already have one)...
Nor will I be buying a PS3 gaming console anytime soon. If I wanna play games, I'll get a PS3, (or bandy blu-ray-player-prices around with you); if I wanna watch blu-ray movies, I'll get a proper blu ray player.
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#6
7thsinger Suspended due non-functional email address
I guess for those, like you Klingon, that don't want to 'early adopt' the ever-pricey Blu Ray...this Oppo looks like a viable option.

It would certainly cut down on having to replace any favorites in one's library. Considering Blu Ray movies are generally between $30-$35 here too.

Pretty good features on this little player too.
#7
The Oppo 981HD was long considered one of the best, if not the best, upconverting player until the HDDVD players came out, particularly the AX2 with the silicon optix hardware. Perhaps this will put them back on top. $400 is a bit steep though, IMO.
#8
According to Oppo Digital this 983 model will be the last upconverter that they will make.

Future models from Oppo will be BluRay players.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/11/opp...nd-of-the-line/

Oppo's DV-983H upconverting DVD deck marks the end of the line

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But what's more significant is a bit of info we gleaned from the PR email accompanying the DV-983H release: the unit is the last DVD player that Oppo will be making. The company that made its name in upscaling DVD is moving whole hog into something else, and we're all-in on a Blu-ray spinner.
#9
Originally posted by 7thsinger:
...Considering Blu Ray movies are generally between $30-$35 here too.
I was at our local Walmart the other day, (Nova Scotia) and none of their blu ray titles are much under $35. (Or perhaps I should be more accurate and say "Around ~$35" so as not to confuse anyone out there who may be keeping track of this stuff.) <gg>

[Or perhaps I should move to New Brunswick to scoop up some incredible blu-ray-disc deals???] ;-)
#10
JimmyNice Suspended due non-functional email address
Wow... I didn't realize a response could generate such bile... dude, purchases are totally up to the purchaser. If you have a hate on for a PS3, that's cool... no one's twisting your arm. All I was saying was that anyone can get a blu-ray player for the same cost as this upconverting dvd player.... as far as it being a "proper" blu-ray player, isn't the PS3 already recognized as being one of the best blu-ray players around... and more future proof to boot.

I didn't post on here to change your mind, it's clearly made already and that's cool... that's your right. But I did post for accuracy to anyone else that's considering their next move that might like another piont of view... even if it does come from someone in lowly "New Brunswick"

When I quoted price, I did what the original article did and quoted list price... I figured most people understand taxes and optional ext warranties (so you're betting it's going to break before it's expected life cycle, these stores love folks like that). Futureshop's first 3 pages of blu-ray movies (sorted by price) are all from 19.99-26.99... It's a new format, with a much smaller release scope than dvd's, so of course it's a higher cost. So were dvd's to vhs when they came out... that's the cost of going with something that's new, and not as widely distributed.

I'm a consumer that, I would think like most people, wants to make the most of his dollar. Sure I've seen Resevoir Dogs for 29.99, but when I saw it at an HMV boxing day sale for $15, I grabbed it... when I saw AVP for 19.99... I grabbed it. I never said in my original post that these were regular prices, just that I've never spent more $25 on a disc... which I suppose must be a lie because I didn't include taxes in that (why oh why didn't I get an extended warranty).

So hey, I'll admit that this post, like other posts lobbed at me are full of sarcasm, but the bottom line for me and the only piont I was trying to make was that there are standard blu-ray players that are under $600 list price.

and for me

$399 upconverting dvd player OR $399 blu-ray+game system+upconverting dvd player... one just made more sense to me... maybe it does to other people too... as you've said, it doesn't to you.

...I enjoy debate, but do you have anything beyond semantics on taxes & warranties, or would you prefer to just continue to disparage where I live?
#11
It doesnt make sense if you go buy a proper BD player and then a PS3 for gaming.
Ps3 BD specs are that of BD movie only players and as the last poster mentioned is future proof, some of the players dont have an internet connection and there for will be relying on disc updates, or require you to download an update, burn to disc then upgrade.
Am not sure if the players come with USB? Anyone shed some light?
#12
JimmyNice Suspended due non-functional email address
... and before this snowballs into a complete flamewar.. I went back again and read my post for like a 4th time and realized that the "really" was probably interpreted as a dig at your post when I mean it as surprise (cripes I don't know what prices are across the country).... and my "Woo Hoo" was more of an "I'm not impressed" directed at the OPPO player, not at you Klingon...

just wanted to say that, but you can take it for what it's worth.

JM
#13
nobrainer Suspended account
Seems the MPAA, sony and co. block everyone from format shifting so you are forced to purchase your media over and over again (a licence to print money) i would stick to up scaling dvd players as blu-ray offers little over current dvd's up scaled on a small screen (40" and below) at the average 10 foot viewing distance, and players can be brought for as little as 40 in the uk for a decent model.

this pricey model may just be for the av enthusiast, but it all helps in delaying the transfer to an anti consumer product that was designed around locking down content drm-ray until the final profile has been announced and the evolving drm is at a level where incompatibilities should be minimal. hdcp handshake, ict, ect
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#14
This is the reason why the Oppo costs $400:




The Anchor Bay ABT1018 VRS video processing chip.

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt1018.php

You need to do a head to head comparison but I think this chip could be as good as the Silicon Optix Reon in my Toshiba HD-XA2.

If Oppo can make a BluRay player based on this chip then it could be a great piece of hardware.
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#15
Originally posted by A_Klingon:
Nor will I be buying a PS3 gaming console anytime soon. If I wanna play games, I'll get a PS3, (or bandy blu-ray-player-prices around with you); if I wanna watch blu-ray movies, I'll get a proper blu ray player.
Hey, how's things Klingon?

I see you still haven't made the jump into the Blu-ray World yet. I can't I blame you. It's often best to sit back and wait things out to make a sensible purchase decision. I just wanted to say though that the PS3 is indeed a full spec Blu-ray player. It is said to be the most future proof player on the market. When profile 2.0 picks up traction, I believe we will see a firmware update to enable this on the PS3.

See this article, it explains this quite well... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...oof-player.html
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PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
#16
nobrainer Suspended account
This is what the EFF (consumer campaign group) has to say about Hollywoods (The MPAA) lock down and why ppl need to boycott next gen DRM and stick with DVD and win XP.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/08/why...lywoods-bidding

Originally posted by EFF:
You might be asking yourself that question, if you've been following our series on Microsoft's trusted computing and DRM strategies. No Microsoft customer wants DRM-crippled operating systems, hardware, and video content.

Hollywood, on the other hand, wants ubiquitous DRM. And, wielding DRM and the DMCA, major movie studios can shut Microsoft out of the lucrative digital video market if it doesn't play ball. In that game, consumers will inevitably lose.

Hollywood is saying, loudly and to anyone who will listen, "unless we get content protection that satisfies us, our next-gen high-definition video will not be on your platform." Since there are only a handful of major studios who control 90%+ of commercially important film and TV content, this kind of cartel threat is relatively credible.

In the past, this would have been an empty threat, since someone could just build a device to play their content, whether they liked it or not. Not so since 1998, thanks to the DMCA. Now, if Hollywood encrypts its content, tech vendors need to get permission before they can build a device to play it.

Let's review what's happened since 1998 thanks to that big legal shift:

(Read on for more after the jump.)

1. DVDs are encrypted, which means that you have to sign a license before you can build a DVD player or recorder. So Hollywood gets veto power over new DVD features, thanks to the DVD-CCA license. Companies that build cool DVD products get sued (see, e.g., Kaleidescape).

2. Cable added DRM to its set-top boxes and CableCard architectures, for fear that Hollywood would otherwise favor satellite (which, as the minority player, was happy to court Hollywood) with "premium" content.

3. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are now in a DRM bidding war to please Hollywood, as demonstrated by the Blu-Ray DRM features announced this week.

4. Microsoft is now adding DRM to Windows, for fear that otherwise Hollywood will lock them out of next-gen HD Hollywood content, thereby slamming the door on convergence home theater PC products built on Windows Media Center Edition (MCE) technologies. After all, the traditional consumer electronics companies would be quite happy to have the next generation DVD products play only on purpose-built Blu-Ray boxes.

The computer industry in general is actually quite afraid of being left out of the Hollywood party -- I remember hearing stories about how DVD almost never made it to PCs, because the computer industry was so late to the negotiating table. After all, from Hollywood's point of view, the mainstream market for DVDs is playback on DVD players in your living room. The PC home theater stuff is niche today, untested tomorrow, at best. For the computer guys, on the other hand, this convergence stuff is a critical part of their effort to convince you that you actually need to buy new PCs and displays.

In sum, it's classical economics -- on one side you have a supplier cartel with market power (Hollywood), on the other side you have several competing technology platform providers (Microsoft, the major CE companies, etc) each eager to get picked by the cartel (and thereby gain competitive advantage over those not picked).

Notably, neither Microsoft nor Hollywood are betting on the DRM being uncrackable or preventing widespread P2P file-sharing. In fact, Microsoft's own trusted computing engineers admitted in 2002 that DRM is no silver bullet for digital "darknet" sharing. But that's beside the point from Hollywood's point of view. Hollywood's chief interest in DRM is getting control over disruptive technologies, by forcing innovators to sign licenses (i.e., beg permission) before they can build products that make use of Hollywood content. Meanwhile, Microsoft is betting that giving Hollywood a say in the future of video will pay off in favored access to next-gen Hollywood content, which will, in turn, drive consumers to buy Windows machines and applications.

Reasonable minds certainly can differ on whether this is a good bet for Microsoft. What you can't deny is that consumers lose in the bargain, as they get stuck with less useful, DRM-laden devices today, and a less innovative marketplace tomorrow. After all, if Sony had to ask for a license before building the Betamax VCR in 1976, the history of home video would look very different today.

The Battle for Your Digital Media Devices: click read and stick with dvd. http://w2.eff.org/IP/fairuse/
Originally posted by link:
Major entertainment companies are locking up the audio and video content you own and taking away your rights.

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#17
Originally posted by juankerr:
According to Oppo Digital this 983 model will be the last upconverter that they will make.

Future models from Oppo will be BluRay players.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/11/opp...nd-of-the-line/

Oppo's DV-983H upconverting DVD deck marks the end of the line

Quote:
But what's more significant is a bit of info we gleaned from the PR email accompanying the DV-983H release: the unit is the last DVD player that Oppo will be making. The company that made its name in upscaling DVD is moving whole hog into something else, and we're all-in on a Blu-ray spinner.

Engadget is also saying that more details on the Oppo BluRay player should come out by this summer:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/20/opp...blu-ray-player/
#18
Originally posted by JimmyNice:
I'm not going to knock anyone that would want to go this route, but why buy something that only plays the dvd collection you have and gives you no room to grow.

Just my penny times 2.
You should meet my Uncle. He's a movie/tv buff with maybe a couple thousand DVD's. He finally finished replacing all of his VHS collection. I doubt he'd be interested in bluray, and he could care less about a PS3 (at 65, I don't think he's played a video game in his life). He's probably getting a HDTV next year, and I'm sure the price of this player will go down. This can be an awesome buy for someone like him. Or anyone, for that matter, who values their rather large DVD collection. Upscaling on a 40-46" in 1080i or P HD res is pretty decent quality. At least by my eyes. It's amazing how the eye works. From about 6', most imperfections in the picture seem to disappear. But when you get closer, you can see the pixelation.

Technology like this would probably hinder bluray growth IMO. Eventually HD will rule all, but I don't think it will be in the near future, especially with companies developing technology that will keep people satisfied with SD. Just my 2 cents.
#19
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Wow... I didn't realize a response could generate such bile.
Sorry, Jimmy - you must have just caught me in a crummy mood or something - I had just gotten off work, long day, etc. (Don't know if that excuse will 'hold' or not). <gg>

I was generalizing prices, not defining them. The players _are_ expensive on average. At Future Shop or anywhere else. You cannot get much of anything for under $600. (That is only a price generalization.) Some are in the $1,000 range.

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If you have a hate on for a PS3, that's cool.
I don't hate PS3 gaming consoles, nor anyone who uses them. They're just not for ME. I simply have no use for video games, not the people who play them.

My Comment:

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[Or perhaps I should move to New Brunswick to scoop up some incredible blu-ray-disc deals???]
Your Replies:

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...even if it does come from someone in lowly "New Brunswick"
(And) ....

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...would you prefer to just continue to disparage where I live?
Jimmy, it doesn't matter where you live. It's not important. I would have made the same comment regardless of your home province.

If, you - in New Brunswick - have never paid more than $20-$25 for a blu-ray title, that's *great*! I haven't looked around hardly at all here in Halifax for blu-ray titles, simply because I don't have a blu-ray player. (yet). I was simply relating my experience here at our local Walmart - where each-and-every-single blu-ray title on the shelf was at very-near $35 level. (Yes, with taxes).

You simply came on kinda 'strong' with "all the answers" as it were. (Sort of like 'The World According To Garp'). Rubbed me in the wrong way, I guess.

Offense _was_ taken, but completely withdrawn now.

Peace. -- Klingy --
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Hey, how's things Klingon?

I see you still haven't made the jump into the Blu-ray World yet. I can't I blame you. It's often best to sit back and wait things out to make a sensible purchase decision. I just wanted to say though that the PS3 is indeed a full spec Blu-ray player. It is said to be the most future proof player on the market. When profile 2.0 picks up traction, I believe we will see a firmware update to enable this on the PS3.

Hi, Ryu !!! :)

The trouble is, like so many others, I will have to start from scratch as I have no HD equipment as yet. It is a pricey upgrade to get into.

Also, as I live in a small, single-bedroom apartment, a large-screen TV (about the only kind that will display true 1080p; most smaller screens are only 720p), would make a tight fit with all the other gear I have in here.

And it would likely tic my landlord off if I tried to hang a 66-pound HD-TV monitor off one of his walls (Screws, holes, etc). The Sharp Aquos 37" 1080p LCD Digital TV, which I was positivley *drooling* over, and which I came SO close to buying last week, weighs 66 pounds net of it's base and any wall-mounting hardware.

I may have to settle for a smaller 720p screen, I don't know yet. And of course, add the cost of a blu-ray player to that. (Ratz!)

I would like to see blu-ray go mainstream. (I would have preferred HD-DVD, but that's just an opinion). Blu Ray is *the* format of choice of the industry now, (we have to live with that) and mass market level would reduce overall cost and make title selection much better & cheaper.

[But I don't plan on 'going anywhere' soon!] 'Been here on AfterDawn for...... (jeeze, I forget!) 4 years or something. Since "the early days". :)
#21
Hello Klingy,

Did you see the post I made up there ^^?

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/638614/3865411

EDIT: Looks like we were both posting at the same time...LOL! I'll go back and read your reply now. :-D
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"Great minds discuss ideas... Average minds discuss events... Small minds discuss people"

PS3 compatible video creation thread... mkv2vob, tsMuxeR etc.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809
The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up thread.: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
#22
A company nobody heard of combined with a price point that is equal to a real Blu-ray player...what could go wrong?
#23
Originally posted by DieMPAA:
A company nobody heard of combined with a price point that is equal to a real Blu-ray player...what could go wrong?
Hey, I heard of OPPO in 2006!
#24
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Hello Klingy,

Did you see the post I made up there ^^?

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/638614/3865411

EDIT: Looks like we were both posting at the same time...LOL! I'll go back and read your reply now. :-D
Yep - I read it, Ryu, and the full text of the PS3 article you linked to.

Although the article refers to the PS3 as "future-proof", I think it's laser-longevity (how long the laser will last) is probably a greater concern. That's true of any blu-ray player, though. There have been concerns voiced as to how long these new, unfamiliar lasers will reliably function as compared to DVD and HD-DVD. In blu-ray PC burners, that concern is even greater.

Being 'Future-proof' is not exclusive to the PS3. I can't imagine the new wave of Profile 2.0 players that are now coming our way being any-less-so.

But, I just can't "cotton" to the idea of buying a machine whose primary, traditional function is gaming (with movie-playing-ability added on), as opposed to a dedicated movie-player (with a bit of internet-linked-game-playing-ability added on). What would I do with that great big "game-controller" device/thingee/watchamacallit, (with the hand-grip) which I'd never use, and why would I want to pay for all the extra game-playing circuitry and hardware? For me, it's just something else to go wrong. (wear-out/malfunction, etc).

Yes, I know that overall, the price of a PS3 is less than the currently-dreadful prices of a blu-ray standalones. I was looking at one a few days ago at Walmart. (But I still don't want it!) <gg>

There's a blu-ray player in my horizon for sure though. (I actually paid $1500 Canadian for Sony's flagship player when SD DVDs first came out.) I'm not going to make that same, early-adopter mistake again!

Chat later. -- Klingy --
#25
Originally posted by A_Klingon:


There's a blu-ray player in my horizon for sure though. (I actually paid $1500 Canadian for Sony's flagship player when SD DVDs first came out.) I'm not going to make that same, early-adopter mistake again!

Chat later. -- Klingy --

Boy do I hear you! I agree completely!

"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


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