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#151
28 Nov 2008 @ 22:59
Sophocles
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Isn't it going on about 4 AM where you are? LOL
Thermal sensors on multicore processors suck if one expects that they will all be balanced. My rule of thumb is to go with the one that shows the highest temperatures. If the core sensors don't seem to be working then I use T-case measures and add about 10C to closely estimate core temp. I do that on system that have good core sensors and it's reasonable close.
Isn't it going on about 4 AM where you are? LOL
Thermal sensors on multicore processors suck if one expects that they will all be balanced. My rule of thumb is to go with the one that shows the highest temperatures. If the core sensors don't seem to be working then I use T-case measures and add about 10C to closely estimate core temp. I do that on system that have good core sensors and it's reasonable close.
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#152
29 Nov 2008 @ 11:49
Hehe, yes it was :)
That makes sense, I tend to avoid paying too much attention to the core temperatures as so many people seem to moan about them not being accurate. As far as I'm concerned, IIRC the shutdown threshold for CPUs is the main temperature not the cores, so that's what I keep my eye on.
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That makes sense, I tend to avoid paying too much attention to the core temperatures as so many people seem to moan about them not being accurate. As far as I'm concerned, IIRC the shutdown threshold for CPUs is the main temperature not the cores, so that's what I keep my eye on.
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#153
29 Nov 2008 @ 12:41
Any insight on this Monitor
DCLCD DCL20A+ 20" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1000:1, 1680 x 1050 (WSXGA+), 2ms, VGA, DVI, Black
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#154
29 Nov 2008 @ 12:43
Not bad, but I've never heard of DCLCD. Sceptre seem to be a relatively trusted brand, and their 20"s are quite cheap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112013
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#156
29 Nov 2008 @ 12:55
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not bad, but I've never heard of DCLCD. Sceptre seem to be a relatively trusted brand, and their 20"s are quite cheap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...4112013
ROFL... It is a Sceptre Sammy. :) Scroll down the page rick provided and see who "provides" the warranty. ;)
....gm
rick I can't believe the prices of some items now. I picked up my little 19" a few months ago for $165 and now they have "name" brand stuff the same size or bigger for less than $130. :D
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#157
29 Nov 2008 @ 13:07
Ah, my mistake, probably should have spotted that.
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#158
29 Nov 2008 @ 13:29
theonejrs
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Originally posted by rick5446:
Ya ! But 20bucks difference
Rick,
If you buy a 20.1, get this one for $159.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112013
I have one and after more than 2 1/2 years of constant use (15-17 hours a day), the driver board for the backlight is going out. Flat fee of $75 to repair. If you look around the net for repair prices, it's a bargain. No complaints at all as I give a monitor quite a bit of use. Far more than average! They are close enough to me that i can drop it off and pick it up and save the shipping!
For the money difference and 22", this one for $10 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112015
They had a real nice 24" for $199, but sold out yesterday (Ya think! LOL).
http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Spec..._X24wg-Naga.htm
One of the better black Friday Specials.
I've looked at all three and they are outstanding quality for the price.
Best Regards,
Russ
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#159
29 Nov 2008 @ 13:36
Remember I'm building and getting this for my Grand Daughter. I'm not cheap, but I have to watch my budget
#160
29 Nov 2008 @ 13:39
greeny and sammy take care because you guys both know that Russ has a 20.1/22 inch Scepter LCD.:P
My wife purchased the 24 inch scepter because it was going for a low price. I don't care for anything with TN panels especially for Video playback, but hers doesn't look too bad when playing 1080P. I prefer S-PVA or S-IPS panels because of their superior contrast and color. Both Panels have evolved over time and there is a debate among which is better but if you get either one of those panels you will be happy.
My wife purchased the 24 inch scepter because it was going for a low price. I don't care for anything with TN panels especially for Video playback, but hers doesn't look too bad when playing 1080P. I prefer S-PVA or S-IPS panels because of their superior contrast and color. Both Panels have evolved over time and there is a debate among which is better but if you get either one of those panels you will be happy.
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#161
29 Nov 2008 @ 13:49
theonejrs
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Originally posted by navskin:
has anyone heard of this problem with the AMD dual core that somtime on some of the CPUS in the dual core range that the temps can be miss read from the cpu. is there any fix for this i have updated my bios on MB but still NO! change.
Yeah! Kick the companies like Everest and SpeedFan in the A$$! Since AMD has lost some popularity, these companies haven't kept up with the chipsets and lack the ability to read the AM2 and AMD+ motherboards. Even the nVidia chipped AMDs mostly don't work right reading the temps and such! They rarely even bother to provide the right software to read any of the AMD motherboards, regardless of Chipset. You always get an error message "Unknown Chipset" with just about any AMD based MB these days!
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#162
29 Nov 2008 @ 14:33
theonejrs
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
greeny and sammy take care because you guys both know that Russ has a 20.1/22 inch Scepter LCD.:P
My wife purchased the 24 inch scepter because it was going for a low price. I don't care for anything with TN panels especially for Video playback, but hers doesn't look too bad when playing 1080P. I prefer S-PVA or S-IPS panels because of their superior contrast and color. Both Panels have evolved over time and there is a debate among which is better but if you get either one of those panels you will be happy.
The Sceptre's are not TN Panels, they are P-MVA, which is Probably why you noticed your wife's contrast. I have the same P-MVA type screen in my X20 Naga widescreen. The TN panels can only render less than 24 bit color so if they claim 16 million colors, they lie! That's why the colors on the cheap TN Panels are so washed out looking!
Quote:
MVA (Multi-domain Vertical Alignment) was intended by Fujitsu to be replace TN+Film as the dominant panel type. It was designed as a comprimise between the TN+Film and IPS technologies. TN+Film has remained cheaper to produce and Super-IPS exceeds MVA in both color reproduction and response time. The only real edge that MVA might have over IPS is contrast.
P-MVA (Premium MVA) is an improvement upon MVA to increase the pixel response time a bit more at a slight cost of color reproduction.
Source: http://www.lcdpaneltypes.net/
Viewsonic uses these as well. P-MVA technology is what put Sceptre on the map with the introduction of the Naga Series 4-5 years ago.
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#163
29 Nov 2008 @ 14:40
Quote:No they are all TN panels. Some of the older ones might have been P-MVA panels but 100% of the ones sold by newegg or TN panels.
The Sceptre's are not TN Panels,
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#164
29 Nov 2008 @ 14:43
As far as I'm aware the only panel type that has a 2ms response time is TN. M-PVA and S-PVA stuff is usually at least 5ms, and S-IPS at least 8ms.
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#165
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:02
Quote:That is exactly right and the other is viewing angles of 170 degrees or less. In fact most screens at 4ms are usually TN panels. To avoid getting a TN panel one should look for 6ms or more and a viewing angle of 178 degree minimum.
As far as I'm aware the only panel type that has a 2ms response time
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#166
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:03
theonejrs
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Originally posted by sammorris:
As far as I'm aware the only panel type that has a 2ms response time is TN. M-PVA and S-PVA stuff is usually at least 5ms, and S-IPS at least 8ms.
I know for a fact that the panel in my X20 NagaIII is P-MVA because I've had it apart. I googled the manufacturer's part number on the back of the screen and it comes up as a P-MVA screen! I called Sceptre when I first started looking at the 24" X24WG-Naga when it first came out a month or so ago to find out what screen it had, and was told by them the the screen is P-MVA and not TN!
I'll call them again on Monday and see if I can re-confirm that, and ask about the 2ms (GTG) response time! Mine X20g NagaIII is also 8ms! Maybe the guy I talked to misunderstood me, because we had been talking about the problem I was having, and getting mine repaired!
Russ
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#167
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:10
Quote:
I know for a fact that the panel in my X20 NagaII is P-MVA because I've had it apart.
Russ we're not talking about your panel we're talking about the ones that are available now and they are TN panels. I know as a fact that your have an M-PVA panel because if you recall I posted a list at hounds a couple of years ago that identified the panels in most available LCDs and yours was among them. The current batch of Scepters are TN Panels.
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#168
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:30
theonejrs
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Quote:
I know for a fact that the panel in my X20 NagaII is P-MVA because I've had it apart.
Russ we're not talking about your panel we're talking about the ones that are available now and they are TN panels. I know as a fact that your have an M-PVA panel because if you recall I posted a list at hounds a couple of years ago that identified the panels in most available LCDs and yours was among them. The current batch of Scepters are TN Panels.
Like I said, when I called Sceptre it's entirely possible that the Tech related my question about the 24" to my monitor, since we were discussing my problem with it. He may well have misunderstood my question since the bulk of the conversation was about the X20G NagaIII and getting it repaired! If what you are saying is correct, and I have no reason to doubt you as I know you are pretty thorough in your facts. my answer from Sceptre was probably just a misunderstanding!
If the current 20', 22" and 24" are TN, then TN has made some great strides because I always bring my own media when looking for a monitor. I never trust their demos! LOL!! I found the picture quality of the 22" and 24" to be extremely good!
Best Regards,
Russ
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#169
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:40
TN has made great strides, modern TNs have a good picture quality, monitors like the Samsung SM2232BW and SM216BW are good examples of that. However, look at the screen from any angle but straight on and the colours go haywire.
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#170
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:52
Quote:TN panels are much better than they used to be if you are looking straight into them. Like I said my wife's 24 inch looked good with a Blu-Ray movie but couldn't match my 24 inch S-SPVA. A little on the blue side of the spectrum but not unpleasing. S-PVA panels are the ones that have made the greatest strides. They now rival S-IPS in color accuracy with many individual units surpassing them, and with greater contrast as well, but nothing can top the viewing angle of an S-IPS.
If the current 20', 22" and 24" are TN, then TN has made some great strides because I always bring my own media when looking for a monitor. I never trust their demos! LOL!! I found the picture quality of the 22" and 24" to be extremely good!
TN panels are cheaper to manufacture and can only display 6 bit color where as S-PVA and S-IPS displays 8 bit color and that is something that you can see when you place them side by side. The issue is that almost everything out there is a TN panel because the other two panels cost a lot more. A 24 inch TN panel can be purchased for around $300 but a 24 inch S-PVA panel costs closer to $600. The last time that I checked there were only two S-PVA panels in the 24 inch range and no S-IPS panels.
Even Samsung who manufactures the S-PVA panel has mostly gone to 24 inch TN panels. To identify them just look at the rated viewing angle. If it's 78 degrees or higher then it is more likely to be an S-PVA panel. The problem is that the angle measures are being cooked so you also compare it to latency speeds as well, but the best bet is to search the Internet to insure that you're getting what you think you are. If nothing else won't point in the right direction then those tips above along with price is often sure sign.
This is an absolutely awesome S-PVA but it's also an open box which to me means dead pixels.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001246R
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#171
29 Nov 2008 @ 15:54
theonejrs
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Originally posted by sammorris:
TN has made great strides, modern TNs have a good picture quality, monitors like the Samsung SM2232BW and SM216BW are good examples of that. However, look at the screen from any angle but straight on and the colours go haywire.
One thing's for sure! This conversation has helped me make up my mind whether to get mine fixed or to replace it! LOL!! $75 looks very good right now!
Russ
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#172
29 Nov 2008 @ 16:09
Quote:I don't know what the issue is with your LCD, but the most common issues that the back lights burn out and they are user replaceable. You can surf the Internet to find a source to purchase one. LCD's by them selves produce colored pixels with very low lumens and require a back light to make them viewable. Check in the dark and see if you can detect the pixels forming an image use a flashlight if needed. If you see it them then it is probably a back light issue.
One thing's for sure! This conversation has helped me make up my mind whether to get mine fixed or to replace it! LOL!! $75 looks very good right now!
http://www.ccflsurplus.com/?gclid=CKON9Oylm5cCFQoHswodq22k_Q
Edited for typo's as usual. LOL
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#173
29 Nov 2008 @ 16:31
sytyguy
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
This is an absolutely awesome S-PVA but it's also an open box which to me means dead pixels.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...001246R
According to the link it says that the panel is a "a-si TFT/TN". So if it is a S-PVA, what does "a-si TFT/TN" mean?
Sorry for the dumb question, just trying to get educated here.
#174
29 Nov 2008 @ 16:31
sytyguy
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
This is an absolutely awesome S-PVA but it's also an open box which to me means dead pixels.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...001246R
According to the link it says that the panel is a "a-si TFT/TN". So if it is a S-PVA, what does "a-si TFT/TN" mean?
Sorry for the dumb question, just trying to get educated here.
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