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#1
I know that a lot of AMD owners feel left out because no one wants to discuss building an AMD machine. I've created this thread as a place for people to go where we can discuss building options.

Attention, all Socket AM2 owners! Did you know that you can improve the performance of your Socket AM2 CPU abot 15% just by replacing the Motherboard with a 780G chipset MB? I did just that late last week with a 64x2 4400+, and it almost equaled the performance of a 64x2 4800+ just by switching the old tech AM2 motherboard for a Biostar A780G M2+SE. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138134

This $65 motherboard gives you quite a lot for your money. It has HD 3200 on-board graphics that leave any other OBG in the dust. In fact, this MB can render full HD video with any CPU from a 3500+ single Core Sempron on up. Magnificent, Lush colors with simply amazing color depth, Clarity and Detail never seen with on-board-graphics before. The MB also supports Hybrid CrossFire. What this does is if you add a 16x PCI-e video card and turn on Hybrid CrossFire in the setup and it uses both the on-board and the 16x video card, so nothing is wasted or thrown away. Buy something like an inexpensive HD 4850 video card and Game away! Lots of adjustments for overclocking as well. Want to overclock, but know that the OBG can't take it? No worries as this little MB has settings for the OBG to overclock the video. It also is a good MB to use as a Media Center PC. Quite a bit of bang for very little bucks. I know I want one for my 64x2 4800+.

Here's some information on the 780G chipset from Anandtech.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3258

Theonejrs

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#2
Good stuff. Stickied, enjoy :)



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#3
Originally posted by creaky:
Good stuff. Stickied, enjoy :)

Thanks creaky!

Russ


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#4
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I Guess we are all gonna be here! I'm gonna be the 1st one to mention Intell....HAHAhahaaaaaa
Good talkin to ya Russ
#5
WHOOO


GO CORE i7!!!!!


Any one with any Phenom systems around here?
#6
Originally posted by abuzar1:
WHOOO


GO CORE i7!!!!!


Any one with any Phenom systems around here?

Hey Boozer, they'll be along once the word gets around. Thanks for dropping by!

Russ


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#7
Nice going Russ
#8
Originally posted by ChrisC586:
Nice going Russ

Thanks Chris. Hope the word gets around!

Russ


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#9
I was thinking of purchasing an AMD board and CPU ever since my 939 rig died a few months ago. I have everything else, I'd end up with a spare 7600GT since I'd use OBG probably. Are there any links to what I should be looking for in CPU's? I need a second computer in my workshop to make it easier for my server admin and networking training so were talking price vs. performance and not the best out there (I still have my OC'd Intel Q9450 build so thats my workhorse).
An AMD build was one of my first that wasnt a pre-packaged barebones deal, I actually took the time part by part and when I did it was better than any Intels out there so I'll always have a soft spot for the brand.

#10
No problem. I'll try to keep up. I still remember when AMD used to be the king of performance ;)

Hopefully gets back the crown.
#11
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
I was thinking of purchasing an AMD board and CPU ever since my 939 rig died a few months ago. I have everything else, I'd end up with a spare 7600GT since I'd use OBG probably. Are there any links to what I should be looking for in CPU's? I need a second computer in my workshop to make it easier for my server admin and networking training so were talking price vs. performance and not the best out there (I still have my OC'd Intel Q9450 build so thats my workhorse).
An AMD build was one of my first that wasnt a pre-packaged barebones deal, I actually took the time part by part and when I did it was better than any Intels out there so I'll always have a soft spot for the brand.

Deadrum33,
Welcome to the New AMD Building Thread! I think the most bang for your buck you can get for a 64x2 at the moment is the 5200+ 2.6GHz Brisbane! $64 w/free shipping from Newegg. Couple that with the Biostar I mentioned and it should be one hell of a machine. Throw in a Freezer 64 and you are looking at $155. If you have a decent cooler already, The MB and CPU will run tou $129 + T&S.

CPU 5200+ brisbane 2.6GHz $64
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103210

Biostar 780G MB $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813158005

One thing I did discover about this MB is that Biostar was a bit conservative with their voltages, and it would randomly shut down abnd re-boot. Some times it would run for 5-6 hours and do it, and sometimes it would do it 3 times in a row. 1 click up on the CPU and HT voltage solved that. Solid as a rock after that, and the graphics are stunning. I also have a 7600GT overclocked to 1650/850 and the graphics are superior with the HD 3200 OBG. I think you will be very surprised at the overall performance this combo should deliver.

Best Regards,
Russ

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#12
Originally posted by abuzar1:
No problem. I'll try to keep up. I still remember when AMD used to be the king of performance ;)

Hopefully gets back the crown.

I only built one socket 939, and that was a 4000+ single Core on a Biostar 939 6100 M9 MB for about $100. At the fire sale price of $39 for the CPU I couldn't turn it down. Pretty good machine for what it was too! Even made money on it a year later when I spruced it up and sold it!

Russ


GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


#13
Russ, thanks for this thread!! I think I'm going to try another AMD build with that MB...you've got me all excited again about AMD.

Many thanks.
#14
Originally posted by sytyguy:
Russ, thanks for this thread!! I think I'm going to try another AMD build with that MB...you've got me all excited again about AMD.

Many thanks.

Thanks my Friend,
Welcome to the New AMD build Thread! I got pretty excited myself when I compared the performance of the 64x2 4400+ on the AM2+ 780G and the 64x2 4800+ with the old tech AM2 (less than a year old) and came between 400-500 MIPS of it's performance both at stock speeds. What got my attention most was that I had just finished fixing a HP Slimline 4400+. I was so stunned at the difference I looked in the system to see if Newegg accidentally sent me a faster processor. The difference was that great. I managed 16687 MIPS with a stock 4400+ 2.3 GHz on it, and that's definitely 4800+ territory, stock! All I know is that I was impressed enough to want one for OxiMoron, and maybe a future AMD Build for me if I can scrape up the money!

Best Regards,
Russ


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#15
well i know absolutely nothing about the AMD world. but as before i can learn alot from all this wisdom in here. plus i dont wanna be a loner....lol

let the knowledge flow....
#16
Originally posted by cincyrob:
well i know absolutely nothing about the AMD world. but as before i can learn alot from all this wisdom in here. plus i dont wanna be a loner....lol

let the knowledge flow....

Welcome to The New AMD Building Thread! Thanks Rob. I'm here to learn too. I'm way behind on AMD at the moment as there's not many places you can get any information about AMD these days. I got the idea for this thread from another forum. Drop in anytime.

Best Regards,
Russ


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#17
think of upgarding to the AMD phenom but what would the impact be if i was to put cpu in a non am2+ board. my Asus m2n sli deluxe support the cpu but only has am2 chip so what that slow it down alot or would it be mineor.


Finaly a thread just for amd. i am home lol.
#18
Originally posted by navskin:
think of upgarding to the AMD phenom but what would the impact be if i was to put cpu in a non am2+ board. my Asus m2n sli deluxe support the cpu but only has am2 chip so what that slow it down alot or would it be mineor.


Finaly a thread just for amd. i am home lol.

Welcome to The New AMD building Thread. Good to see you, navskin! As the thread grows, all of us will learn more. Judging by the sales of AMD MBs and AMD CPUs, there's a lot of information out there I'd sure like to see come here.

Best Regards,
Russ


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#19
thanks theonejrs

always welcoming new knowlage of AMD and ATI because they are the same company.

EDIT: Spelling & Grammer
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#20
Here's another bright spot for Future AMD Builds.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090
Anandtech reports this MB as the most feature laden of the 780G motherboards. Given that it's only about $13 more than the BioStar, I may well consider it for my future build as I have been very happy with gigabyte MBs It also says a lot that AMD provided this MB in the Press Kits given out to places like Anandtech.

I would also recommend a fan on the heatsink for the NB, as it gets pretty hot. Modding the one on the Biostar by removing the heatsink and cleaning all the sticky goop off the tiny 55nm chip, and the center portion of the heatsink and using Arctic Silver MX-2. Do not remove the outer square foam looking stuff as it helps protect the chip. I fully recommend this Antec 40mm fan, as it's very quiet, only turns at 2200 rpm and moves 6.5 cfm of air. Very quiet and works well on my Enzotec NB cooler on my P35.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036

theonejrs
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#21
What I would genuinely be interested in here is some 'real world' tests of a proper high-end AMD system like a Phenom 9950, and X2 6000+. Rather than use dubious anandtech-style tests, who knows, we could have been wrong all these months!
<wouldn't that be embarrassing...>



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#22
sam you know like you said that you would like to see them tested do you like mean benchmarks and stuff like that because i am using a 5000+ and i get low scores on 3dmarks06 that is why i am upgrading my system to this spec

AMD Phenom Quad 9600 2.3GHz (Retail AM2+)
ATI Radion HD4850
ASUS M2N SLI DELUXE (only am2 but no money to spend on it)lol
PSU: Corsair 620W HX V2 Series Modular PSU

a friend told me that would be a good bulid.

so will do some real world testing for you when i get it all next wesnesday.

#23
Originally posted by sammorris:
What I would genuinely be interested in here is some 'real world' tests of a proper high-end AMD system like a Phenom 9950, and X2 6000+. Rather than use dubious anandtech-style tests, who knows, we could have been wrong all these months!
<wouldn't that be embarrassing...>

Welcome the The AMD Building Thread. Thanks for coming Sam! I think that AMD has found a market for themselves as a great IGP solution. We also have to accept that we here at AD are the exception to the rule. When you consider that about 90% of all computers sold have OBG and aren't overclocked, it's a big plus for their marketing. When you move up to the higher end motherboards, the OBG has it's own dedicated SidePort GDDR3 memory for the OBG. Lots of folks do the same things with their computers that I do. A lot of Video Encoding. I did notice with the x2 4400+ that it was only about 8 minutes slower than processing the same DVD on my main rig. I also couldn't help but notice that the x2 4800+ on an older tech AM2 MB was the slowest at encoding of the three. I think that bodes well for say, moving up to a 2.6GHz 45w 5050e, or higher processor in the future. Thanks to some pretty dandy electronic wizardry on the 780G chip. I think the best part of that is AMD integrates their Unified Video Decoder 2.0 (UVD 2.0) capabilities into the 780G. UVD 2.0 offers hardware acceleration for decoding VC-1, H.264 (AVC), WMV, and MPEG-2 sources up to 1080p. Just the fact that you can render full HD graphics with a 3200+ Sempron single core, totally boggles my mind!

Oddly enough I was attracted to AMD because of a 2.0gHz Sempron eMachine that I wound up acquiring, which was much faster than a comparable 2.0GHz 440 Celeron. It had a decent Foxconn MB, but I threw all the rest of the junk parts away and replaced them with good stuff. The stock power supply, memory, CPU and CPU cooler all became history. The 250w Bestec PSU was replaced by a Thremaltake TR-2 500w unit, the Sempron with a 64x2 4800+, CPU cooler with a Freezer 64 and 2GB of DDR2 800 G.Skill to replace the single stick of 256MB slow memory it came with. It's become a fine machine, and I enjoy using it. It has a certain smoothness and faster internal functions that the Intel's lack. I think I am finally beginning to understand what people mean when the talk about AMD's real world performance.

I tried a little experiment to find out a few things while I had the new 4400+ here, since I just happen to have 2DVDs of Lost in Space. Russell and I started DVDRB at the same time and timed each computer from the opening of the program till the time DVDRB/CCE was finished on each machine, and while the 4400+ was a little over 8 minutes slower in the encode time in the summary, in total time it was only about 3 to 4 minutes slower from start to finish. I also noticed little things like the lack of any pause when one segment finishes and the next one starts. Little things that the AMD architecture does just a bit faster and better. Again, these comparisons are at stock speeds for the AMD vs a 32% OC with my E6750. I get the impression that if the E6750 was at a stock 2.66GHz speed, the AMD would finish first. I may try it sometime just to find out!

Another big plus is the lack of the need for large multiple fans. The 4400+ only needed a single 80mm fan on the rear to deal with heat, although I did put a 120mm rear fan in since the case could handle both. I do recommend modding the NB heatsink with MX-2 and adding a small fan to it. The NB runs a lot cooler that way, so it makes sense to do it! This opens up possibilities of much lower profile cases that integrate right in with your sound system that will be lower and narrower than the receiver that powers your sound system. There's also the coming AMD Fusion where you can overclock at the click of a button on the desktop. One push of the button does several things depending on your OS. It overclocks both the CPU and the GPU, and if you are running Vista, it turns off all unnecessary vista functions, which will be of great benefit to the casual gamer. It also restores the Vista functions when you turn it off. not ready for production yet, but early reports say it's very promising. Right now 780G motherboards are the best performers for the IGP market at very low end pricing. AMD knows it can't compete for the upper middle to high end market right now, so it's a smart move on their part. As far as sheer performance goes, we will have to wait and see if anyone is interested enough here to do say, a 6000+ and overclock it. If I can get a 5050e to do the job I want, I may play around with overclocking a bit, but I plan to leave it stock in the long run.

Thanks for dropping by,
Russ

GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor


#24
Thanks for posting navskin. The HD4850s are pretty low performers in 3dmark anyway, but it's not the end of the world, they do well in real games etc.

Thanks for the welcome post as well Russ, I know I've been a bit hard on you regrarding this, and perhaps a little unfair too - it's mostly down to misunderstandings (what isn't on aD... remember the scuffs I've had with BigDK and Mort? :))
As far as lack of heat goes, that really comes down to the fact that we build high powered systems, sometimes OC them, and stick in powerful components like multiple HDDs and/or DVD burners, and graphics cards. When I rebuilt a compaq system using an E2180 with only one 92mm case fan (that I swapped for a low speed Xilence one) it ran stone cold, I was very surprised. Basically, you'd be amazed how little cooling you can get away with for modern basic PCs. The newer X2s do seem quite good in the power department, hopefully AMD can put that to use with the Phenoms.



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#25
i think your right what you about your test that you did with the dvd. my dad runs a c2d @ 2.6ghz stock well i think its that. i have the 5000+ with the 65watt core and i smoked my dad @ doing dvd by 10 mins woth nero. i have had an intel but all have died 2 celerons 3 p4s i would not get an intel because amd are a, better product they dont run as hot and the price has a big impact on that aswell. that fact is that AMD run alot long than an intel. but on the other side intel have change from when they started the old hardware that they use to make worked so well but i think they have gotten lost somewhere along the way and have got gready. they make mac they do the xbox they make 80% of the pc market processors. while amd look after there customers just stick to what they know best.

that just opinon.

graham
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