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Netflix is still the leader in streaming video but an uncertain future looms

news article released on: 4 January, 2012

While many people point to the missteps Netflix made in 2011 as signs of the company's demise, their Watch Instantly service remains far and away the most popular online video platform around. According to Netflix, they streamed more than 2 billion hours of video to more than 20 million subscribers worldwide in the fourth quarter of 2011. Of course, all that success doesn't come without ...

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Lacks? BB has more tv series than Netflix

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Originally posted by xaznboitx:
Lacks? BB has more tv series than Netflix

The article says "lacks anything approaching the Netflix customer base". It does not say content.

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BB lacks movies as usual.....

I don't care what service you are talking about streaming sucks and is poor quality period, I'll take discs any day. I just signed up again with Netflix and it hadn't been two years yet but they lost my queue information, bumber. I got 1 month free streaming/1 disc home and used that for a month. I streamed a lot of movies and the video/audio quality was horrible, completely. There is now way I will watch streaming, I might as well go back and start watching VHS's and that's not going to happen.

It does show how low-fi we are getting in this new technical age we are entering. All I can think of is Dumb & Dumber....

Sad!

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In fact, Netflix can and will stream HD, IF you have sufficient bandwidth. Quality of picture isn't why I dropped 'em like a steaming turd, however; their corporate greed and arrogance is to blame for that.

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Still streaming crap even with bandwidth!

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Again, I got HD streams from them just fine; I think you may have other issues.

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I think not!

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Originally posted by xaznboitx:
Lacks? BB has more tv series than Netflix

I just checked and verified with CNET reviews. BB has "little to no tv show content".

So you're F.O.S. spewing nonsense.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I think not!

Think all ya like; looked juuust fine on my 55" HDTV ^^,

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
BB lacks movies as usual.....

I don't care what service you are talking about streaming sucks and is poor quality period, I'll take discs any day. I just signed up again with Netflix and it hadn't been two years yet but they lost my queue information, bumber. I got 1 month free streaming/1 disc home and used that for a month. I streamed a lot of movies and the video/audio quality was horrible, completely. There is now way I will watch streaming, I might as well go back and start watching VHS's and that's not going to happen.

It does show how low-fi we are getting in this new technical age we are entering. All I can think of is Dumb & Dumber....

Sad!

Hello Sir. I am from Bridgeport, NY. I connect to Netflix via Verizon DSL using a Samsung BD Player with the Netflix APP. The quality is EXCELLENT! This seems especially astonishing since my broadband is Vz DSL!

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Have both Netflix and BB. Block buster has better movie selection with Blu-ray and games, but streaming via DISH sucks. The menu is all wrong and there are newer movies aval, but for a fee. Typical DISH, a fee for everything. I stream from PS3 and Xbox and do not see much downgrade on my tvs.

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I'm rather amazed at the quality I get. Perhaps not TOO amazed. I have a 5mb connection, and I do get HD streams from them. And from what I can tell, they don't even come close to saturating my connection speed. I'd estimate 70 - 80% bandwidth utilization. In all my years with netflix, my troubles have been extremely minimal. I talk to people at work that do have troubles. I tell them they've probably got too many devices utilizing their connection bandwidth. Because I've streamed netflix vids, on a 1.5mb connection as well. NO troubles. The video quality was ONLY acceptable for a small screen though.

One of my buddies told me he has like 5 or 6 wireless devices. I chuckled when he said his streaming is better late night. Funny thing about that LOL! Apparently he has a 12Mb connection now. He says no troubles now. With a connection like that, it really shouldn't be saturated very easily. Torrenting, gaming, and streaming however... that would probably come close ;)

I've also streamed netflix to a 50" plasma over a powerline adapter. It looked very agreeable. Impressive technology. I'd probably buy more of those, before wireless... but wireless does have it's uses of course.

Star Trek High Definition is only possible while theyre receiving return for their efforts. Pirate Star Trek, and their efforts will have no choice but to cease :(

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I completely agree that DISH’s Blockbuster Movie Pass poses a true threat against Netflix not only because they offer streaming and online rental services, but also because these features are superior to what Netflix offers. As an ex-Netflix subscriber and a current subscriber of the Blockbuster Movie Pass, I have personally been able to compare the two services. The Blockbuster Movie Pass gets releases 28 days sooner, and they offer Blu-ray and video game rentals along with their online rental services at no extra charge. I initially started with a 3-month free trial and I have since decided to keep it because it is only $10 a month (considerably less than what I would pay for Netflix streaming/DVD rentals and a separate gaming rental service). I am very excited to see how Amazon and cable providers will strive to compete in 2012, and despite the fact that I work for DISH, I strongly believe that DISH’s ultimate bundling of entertainment may prove to be the best option for consumers and their pocketbooks.

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Blockbuster apparently only allows 3 out at a time, via through the mail. I don't live near a blockbuster, so exchanging is out.

Perhaps the reason netflix is still the leader, is because they have premium plans. 8 out at a time is a nice plan :p I'm not much of a gamer either. Just PC games. I still see no reason to switch. Perhaps I'm stubborn, but perhaps I'm simply not impressed by other providers.

I ♥ you netflix :S

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Blockbuster apparently only allows 3 out at a time, via through the mail. I don't live near a blockbuster, so exchanging is out.

Perhaps the reason netflix is still the leader, is because they have premium plans. 8 out at a time is a nice plan :p I'm not much of a gamer either. Just PC games. I still see no reason to switch. Perhaps I'm stubborn, but perhaps I'm simply not impressed by other providers.

I ♥ you netflix :S

There are always die-hards on both sides ;)

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Omegaman7 is far from a die hard he just sees a good deal when it is presented to him.

The quality even when HD streaming is not great to those with trained eyes. The audio is stereo and not surround sound. Due to compression for streaming and forced stereo I would say the quality all around isn't even close to renting the movie on disc.

I'm not surprised that most can't see it or hear it in our iWorld of poor performance, streaming is low-fi in most cases period.

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I'm not saying the streaming quality is great. Absolutely not LOL! But it's totally agreeable to me :p Even on the 50" plasma. I'd say it's either equal to or slightly better than the so-called digital television. Better than the HD stations? Perhaps not. My brother has a 7Mb connection. He streamed "Waterworld" one night. It was obviously HD quality. Looked and sounded pretty good. Great? NO. Not like blu-ray anyway. I definitely love blu-ray disc.

Star Trek High Definition is only possible while theyre receiving return for their efforts. Pirate Star Trek, and their efforts will have no choice but to cease :(

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If you want to talk corporate greed, what do you call STARZ? Netflix offered them STARS $300 million (up from the previous contract's 1/10 of that) and STARS refused because STARS wanted Netflix to charge their customers an additional fee for STARS content. The Netflix price jump announcement was probably necessary. The content providers are asking for a lot more than they were (greed?) and just where was Netflix supposed to get that...other than their subscribers? The streaming service remains a screaming bargain at $8 and the DVD add-on gets you up to 8 DVD's a month for $8 (cheaper than Red Box with a much larger library) or $10 for Blu Rays (MUCH cheaper than Red Box). We got spoiled at the old pricing level and thought they owed us a screaming bargain on streaming/DVd forever. Life is not like that.

Originally posted by Bozobub:
In fact, Netflix can and will stream HD, IF you have sufficient bandwidth. Quality of picture isn't why I dropped 'em like a steaming turd, however; their corporate greed and arrogance is to blame for that.

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Originally posted by nopcbs:
If you want to talk corporate greed, what do you call STARZ? Netflix offered them STARS $300 million (up from the previous contract's 1/10 of that) and STARS refused because STARS wanted Netflix to charge their customers an additional fee for STARS content. The Netflix price jump announcement was probably necessary. The content providers are asking for a lot more than they were (greed?) and just where was Netflix supposed to get that...other than their subscribers? The streaming service remains a screaming bargain at $8 and the DVD add-on gets you up to 8 DVD's a month for $8 (cheaper than Red Box with a much larger library) or $10 for Blu Rays (MUCH cheaper than Red Box). We got spoiled at the old pricing level and thought they owed us a screaming bargain on streaming/DVd forever. Life is not like that.

Originally posted by Bozobub:
In fact, Netflix can and will stream HD, IF you have sufficient bandwidth. Quality of picture isn't why I dropped 'em like a steaming turd, however; their corporate greed and arrogance is to blame for that.

I agree 100%. I mean come on, it's $8.00 a month. Think of all the crap we waste $8.00 on in a day.

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It was free and went to $9/mo., that is a 800% increase so it was a bad move/bad decision. They should have dropped Starz and went back to doing it the way they started their streaming venture or found another provider that would be happy for the business.

For free it was a nice convenience but I won't pay for poor quality just because it is easy, not the norm of course for todays standards.

FOX networks is another one getting greedy like Starz as they too want a 200% profit increase annually.

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I suppose, just to add another perspective, I dropped out of the whole mail order DVD rental game once the streaming venture came onto the scene right after I caught wind that there was to be a remote possibility that Netflix 'may' start charging additional for the service. I think that was even as far back as 2006. That's probably a lie, more like 2008/9.

Obviously, the service was free & in its infancy at the time & most if not all the customers at the time were beta testers. All the movies were pretty much 20+ years old or complete garbage & not worth trying to get through the first 15 minutes, much less attempting to notice if they merited anything worthy of HD quality or not.

Basically once Netflix decided to press their own DVDs (leaving out the 'making of' features & the likes) & started nickle & dimeing the prices up on me, it was adios.

With the current behavior they're all pulling, I'm looking forward to the mom & pop, brick & mortar stores to start popping back up.

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Originally posted by LordRuss:
I suppose, just to add another perspective, I dropped out of the whole mail order DVD rental game once the streaming venture came onto the scene right after I caught wind that there was to be a remote possibility that Netflix 'may' start charging additional for the service. I think that was even as far back as 2006. That's probably a lie, more like 2008/9.

Obviously, the service was free & in its infancy at the time & most if not all the customers at the time were beta testers. All the movies were pretty much 20+ years old or complete garbage & not worth trying to get through the first 15 minutes, much less attempting to notice if they merited anything worthy of HD quality or not.

Basically once Netflix decided to press their own DVDs (leaving out the 'making of' features & the likes) & started nickle & dimeing the prices up on me, it was adios.

With the current behavior they're all pulling, I'm looking forward to the mom & pop, brick & mortar stores to start popping back up.

What nickel and diming?

You get charged a fixed rate for streaming. As for DVD rentals you are charged by how many DVD's you care to have out at any one time. The only option is the Blu Ray, which is a reasonable $2 a month. The pay more for Blu Rays than for DVD's, You do, too, when you buy them.

What nickel and diming are you referring to?

I was none to happy with the price increase when they initiated it because I was used to a screaming bargain. Streaming plus 8 DVD's a month for $12? Where else you going to get that deal? So now it's another $4-5 for the same thing. The question stands, where are you going to get that deal for less? The mom and pop stores can't possably compete. Red Box does on the DVD rental front, but they have nowhere near the selection and you will pay more, anyway. After looking at it soberly, and after the mad wore off, I realized that they are still the best value.

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Again, it's not the quality of the actual service that pisses me off, it's the overabundance of "B" movies, combined with the overweening arrogance of their CEO, and their recent, obnoxious flubs. I mean, "Qwikster"? Really..?! SPlit the services, really? Quite obviously, no one really took the time to vet those choices; they expected their users to swallow 'em hook, line, and sinker. Oops! Fail. Their stock price tells no lies.

You know, the local "mom & pop" video store has a LOT more videos that I *cough* actually care to watch.

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Your numbers are wrong it's not $4-5 more per month and it's not just $2 for BD's the price goes up depending on how many at home you get. Before it was a set price and didn't go up with more out.

The Nickle-Diming is just all of those additional pricing factors so Russ is absolutely correct with his comment! Netflix has doubled their pricing factor in the last year, that is insane...

Where he was wrong is about new movies not being streamed from the start, they did but there was a push on old movies and at the start it was old movies and the latest new releases that were getting setup for streaming.

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Had Netflix offered a more enhanced service along with the price increase I think many of their subscribers would have been happy to accept the increase. They went about their changes all backwards so I agree that their stock plummet last year was evident of that.

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