I just got back from my local surplus store. I saw 50 DVD-R's for $3.95 Canadian. Yes, I couldn't believe it either. I got them assuming they would be garbage, but just for the fun of it I tried them with DVDInfoPro. To my surprise the manufacturer code is TYG01 (The god of all media). I couldn't believe it. I'm going back tomorrow to buy another 200 of them.