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Advice on My Compy Build

Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by LastMastr, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. LastMastr

    LastMastr Regular member

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    Alright, im looking for a new pc.. cuz running on 1ghz is irritating after 6 years.

    SO looking to something within my budget, but something cool...

    I came up with this.

    CPU

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1645065&CatId=2219

    CPU Fan

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2882724&Sku=M333-3003

    MOBO

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2700074&Sku=M450-2308

    RAM

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1882393&Sku=O261-8032

    Video Card

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3053784&Sku=S15-1000

    DVDRW Drive

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3127312&Sku=S167-4500

    Slot Fan

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3127373&Sku=T925-2260

    Hard Disk Drive

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2522641&Sku=TSD-250AS3

    HDD Fans

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...ails.asp?EdpNo=2528218&Sku=ULT31048 DUAL PACK

    CASE

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2074672&Sku=ULT33116

    Fan Controller

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=872913&Sku=Z20-5000

    Any and all comments appreciated.

    Please let me know what can be bettered, for a more economical price, same or better performance. Or how you would build it considering i want a small form factor.
     
  2. Lp531

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    LastMastr


    It's not a bad build but you could do better withing or just slightly above your current price range. The D900 series was just a transitional stage from stage leading to the release of Conroe. Any of the Allendales or Conroes are going to out perform it across the board. Also the Conroe are excellent overclockers.

    This little jewel had been hitting easily above 3 GHz and it is about 30 to 38% faster than the D 940 depending on settings.

    CPU
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013

    This is a very effective low cost cooler
    CPU fan.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
    A reboxed one of the same.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134R


    I would also recommend that you move up a bit on the motherboard to accommodate the CPU. The board below is a proven track record for getting the most out of a Core 2 duo for low dollars.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128012

    These are just some suggestions for a minor upgrade over your original choices that will give you some real speed to go with them.
     
  4. Lp531

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    @Sophocles
    Excellent choices...However LastMastr is looking for a Micro ATX board for a small form factor case...

    @LastMastr
    Are you dead set on a Micro case?..
    The case size will limit your options...
     
  5. LastMastr

    LastMastr Regular member

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    Although i would prefer a micro atx case...

    What could we shoot for that is within the same price range, and if overclocked it can be in the 3ghz range?

    Im looking for maximum performance for the least amount of money in actuallity.

    Thanks for the help btw..

    @Sophocles
    Can that 1.8 ghz proccesor be amped up to a 3ghz seriosly?

    @Lp
    I want the compy for gaming btw...

     
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  6. LastMastr

    LastMastr Regular member

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    Hmm thinking about it, i was thinking a dual PCIE slot motherboard, inother words, something SLI ready.. that be sweet.

    I like the Sparkle Vid card alot theres a vid card built exactly the same but called XFX instead of sparkle. Linking the two would give me a a gig for a vid card with only 100 bucks..

    Any mobo with 4 dimms and atleast 667mhz compatiblity will float my boat. As far as the socket, lets stick to 775.

    And the case... well lets build it around this :D

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2337814&Sku=ULT33180
     
  7. Lp531

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    @LastMastr
    Yes they can...It cannot be guaranteed...but it is quite possible...and seems reasonable attainable with the right components...Like I said earlier...
    I would post this in the Official PC Building thread...You will get a lot more option from different people...a lot faster...
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/64/426825

    Whats your budget?..
     
  8. Sophocles

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    Sorry I never got past the memory when looking at the original specs and just assumed it was standard ATX.



    Yes quite easily. What makes this an exceptional overclocker besides its core is that Intel lowered the front side bus to 800 MHz. That particular core was designed to run at 1066 MHz which means in order for Intel to get it to speed they had to raise its clock multiplier which I believe is 9X. Just raising the front side bus to 10066 MHz would take it to about 2.4 GHz and this CPU will outrun the D940 at its stock speed. On the board I selected you should be able to comfortably increase the fronts side bus to 340X4 to 1360 front side bus (I have the same board running at 376X4 or 1504 MHz)which would increase the CPU speed to 3.06 GHz. It will probably go to even 3.2 GHz but then you start running into cooling problems. But at 3.06 GHz it should run like a champ on air. The only possible setback that I can see is the OCZ but at the speed that I suggested it should do ok.


    Most people who purchase an SLI board rarely use the extra PCIe slot to run two cards. It's costly and generally no benefit unless you are prepared to really spend the dollars. A quality high speed single card will run any game made already.
     
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    @LastMastr
    Here a link to THG Video Chart...a good tool to gauge the performance of Video Cards...
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html

    Go with a single card...no real need for SLI...with the performance of the newest cards...don't be seduced by the 512mb on the 7300 card it is not considered a good gaming card...

    I would look at some PC-6400 memory instead of the PC-5400 that you have listed...

    I didn't see a Power Supply listed...What are you looking at?..
     
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  10. Sophocles

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    The 7300 is indeed a wimpy card and will only disappoint you if you attempt to play any relatively new games. If you're not into gaming then it will do just fine.
     
  11. sammorris

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    The 7300GT is a rebadged 7600GS, which is a lower midrange card, it can play some games, but only at lower details, and modern titles it will struggle at. Aim for at least a 7600GT to get good game performance, that's if you need it!
     
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    @LastMastr
    What is your budget?..
    Do you have any wiggle room on the budget?..
    Were do you live?..
    That way we can spec out a system that you can afford...
     
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    @LP

    Yea id put it in that thread, i saw it, its soo big though i figure ill get lost in there.. so one thread to myself is great, you guys are helping alot btw..

    Lest just say that 700 is the limit, but find me options saying that 700 is the max i could spend, but i might spend 1000.

    And since ill probably be getting the Ultra Mid Tower case, we have more flexiblity now.

    This is what the computer is for btw...

    It needs to be able to handle any program easily and alot of them at once..

    And it needs to be able to handle any video game for pc out now.

    Im thinking of running Vista for Halo 2, Lost Planet, and Gears of war when its released.. becuase i like that they sync it with xbox live.

    And if i wanted to run the vista 64 bit.. i could right?

    @Sophocles

    Ok... lets say i dont want SLI, what would be a great mobo and vid card combo...

    The only reason i didnt pick out that proccesor in the first place, was cuz i didnt know it could be overclocked to a 3ghz. As long as it can go to 3ghz or faster, im happy.

    Anyways..

    Ill check in later for some updated and see what you guys got for me...

    :D
     
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    Here you go...

    ENERMAX Chakra ECA3052B Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - RetailItem #: N82E16811124114
    $69.99
    -$10.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $59.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811124114

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822148144 Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
    $67.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148144

    EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail Item #: N82E16814130071 Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy
    $389.99
    $30.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $359.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130071

    OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply - Retail
    Item #: N82E16817341002 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    $149.99
    -$10.00 Instant
    $139.99
    $35.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $104.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817341002

    CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4 - Retail Item #: N82E16820145034 Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy
    $132.00
    $40.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $92.00
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145034

    GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail Item #: N82E16813128012 Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
    $119.99
    -$10.00 Instant
    $109.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813128012

    Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E4300 - Retail Item #: N82E16819115013 Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy
    $117.00
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115013

    ARCTIC COOLING FREEZER 7 PRO CPU COOLER FOR LGA775
    $19.95
    http://www.svc.com/acfzp7.html

    Subtotal: $1,046.90 -$115 in rebates
    Total: $931.90


    You can go with a 680i SLI board and still keep it below a $1,000.00 after rebates...

    Sorry...forgot...DVD Burner...120mm fans for case...and grills...Cut out the punched grill add these to case...and to fans...for added strength and rigidity...

    Its amazing how much difference cutting out the punched grills will make in airflow and most important Noise...and how much strength the grills will add to the rigidity of the case...

    COOLER MASTER TLF-S12-EB 120MM NEON LED SILENT FAN - BLUE 43CFM 22DBA
    $6.99 X 2=$13.98
    http://www.svc.com/tlf-s12-eb-19.html

    120MM CHROME GRILL/FINGER GUARD
    $1.00 X 4=$4.00
    http://www.svc.com/54562.html

    LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM write and LightScribe Technology Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model LH-20A1H-185 - OEM Item #: N82E16827106055 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    $31.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106055
     
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    All good choices but here are couple of slightly more budget minded choices.

    Although this card doesn't have as much memory it will still play any game out there with ease, including the famous forest scene in oblivion and it will lower your system cost by $100.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082

    A 700w power supply is great if you are going to add lots of extras, but with the stuff that we spected the system will run off of 550w comfortably. I use a 750W in one of my systems that also has a Peltier air conditioned cooled case,a water block cooling system (pump and fan to power), and an E6700@3.6 GHz (actually will run at 3.720 GHz) However I still recommend a minimum of 600W which will save you another $20.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341010

    This is the case that I've used in many builds and for good reason, it is excellent and moving air through it. Its roomy on the inside, motherboard and power supply mounts easily and the screw holes are well drilled, the rest is completely tool free with the best no tool design I've worked with which makes moving things around a breeze. This will save you another $20. and since it comes with a CoolerMaster 80mm front intake fan and a 120mm exhaust fan you save an additional $13.98 for the fans and $4. for the finger guards. Total price reduction $38.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119077

    I wouldn't touch anything else and if you can afford the upper priced system go for it.

    Note that the rebates are added in the price that I gave which I believe is only on the power supply and graphics card.

    $931.90 less $158.

    $773.90
     
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    Agreed on all of those counts. Good moves, soph.
     
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    Thanks alot you guys...

    Whats the fsb on that Gigabyte mobo you guys showed me.

    And is there anythign better and cheaper than that video card. I like it and from what youve told me well... it seems good, and the reviews are excelent. But just asking :D

    So far i like what im seeing..

    Any better builds would be great. LMK

    Ill check in later today.

    I just dont like them cases :p I love the ultra one i chose though :p XD
     
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    Whoops! Didn't spot it was a MicroATX case, in which case that Gigabyte mobo won't fit, and the 8800GTS probably won't either. Didnt realise you had to have a shuttle PC. Is this something you can change or are we stuck with small components?
     
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    The FSB is adjustable to well beyond what you will need. I have mine at 1504. To put that into perspective, that speed would raise the CPU speed of the E4300 3.384 GHz and although it is possible that it can reach that speed, I wouldn't count on it. Just set your sights for 3 GHz and then when you feel comfortable move up.

    You can go lower on a graphics card and still get a pretty fair results. This would lower your build to under $700.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102067

    I can't see you going much lower than that on anything without affecting the quality of the build. When you begin to trim price too much then eventually something has to go that makes a noticeable difference.

    If you're not into playing games then you can safely trim probably another $80/90.
     
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    That's OK Sam, I'm fairy certain that he has moved on to accepting a standard ATX setup.
     

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