I posted this in the Irish thread but UK guys probably dont read it and might want to read it. They had some photo of some box I have never seen before. Said they were €250 and that NTL knew about them. NTL spokesperson described them as "illegal" and "furthermore, NTL is constantly updating its encryption system which renders these devices inoperable in regards to accessing the cable signal". (shame it is their own pace boxes they also render inoperable while nokias are still fine!) "as part of any company's corporate soccial responsibility, we must ensure that consumers are aware that the use of these devices to access teh NTL signal is not only illegal theft but also in breach of the broadcasting act, copyright infringment."