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Butterfly Effect Revisited

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by kd6tas, Aug 12, 2004.

  1. kd6tas

    kd6tas Member

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    (This is a repost of a message I wrote to the old
    thread. That thread died off on me.)

    I've had a similar problem.
    Can't rip Butterfly Effect due to read errors.
    Shrink can't complete the initial analysis due
    to read errors. DVD Decrypter finds read errors
    in key files. I've tried 3 different copies--all
    do the same thing. I can watch the movie, but can't
    rip it. The best I've been able to do is use
    DVD Decrypter to rip 4 of the 5 .VOB files that
    make up the theatrical version. The fifth .vob
    file has nothing but credits, so I don't really
    need it. All 3 disks that I've tried were 2 sided
    rather than the 2 disk set.

    I need to find an
    easy way to make a DVD out of them that will play
    on a set-top DVD player. I have Nero 6, Pinnacle
    Instant CD/DVD Version 8, DVD Shrink 3.2, and DVD
    Decrypter 3.2.3.0 installed as well as other DVD
    copying/authoring titles that are not installed.
    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
     
  2. flip218

    flip218 Moderator Staff Member

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    Huh? What do you mean you've tried 3 different copies? Your trying to rip the copies?
     
  3. 321sucker

    321sucker Regular member

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    That particular disk(movie) may have mastering errors.
    Return it and get another copy.
     
  4. kd6tas

    kd6tas Member

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    It's a store-bought disk (I guess in this context it
    would be called an original) from a rental place.
    When I tell one of the underpaid drones that works in
    the place that the disk didn't work to my satisfaction
    they give me another one and tell me that exchanging
    it is my only option. That's why I've tried this 3
    times.
     
  5. kd6tas

    kd6tas Member

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    I agree about the mastering errors.
    The problem is that I'm dealing with a rental place.
    After 3 attempts I'm getting the impression that all
    of their Butterfly Effect disks have mastering
    errors--at least all of the 2-sided ones. At this
    point I don't really want to continue to exchange
    the 2-sided ones. When I return this one I'll look
    for the 2-disk set version; if they have one I'll
    try it, if not I'll just have to work with what I
    have (the 4 .vob theatrical version files that I
    was able to rip from the first disk that I tried).
    I'd like to have the directors cut version, but it's
    starting to become more trouble than it's worth.
    Also, the manager is a relatively young Asian guy
    who is probably computer literate to the point where
    he knows or will eventually figure out what I'm
    trying to do. I'm on his radar because I raised a
    stink about their exchange-only policy. After I
    found out that the second disk had the same kind of
    problem as the first I asked about other options
    (credit my account, exchange for another title, etc.)
    and found out that exchanging for the same title is
    my only option (I'm in California and the name of
    the rental place is Blockbuster). That's why I made
    a third attempt using a third disk from the same
    place.

    That brings me to my other question:
    What's a good way to make the .vob files into a DVD]
    that will play on most any set-top (read: stand-alone
    not PC-based) DVD player? I don't have a lot of
    experience with DVD authoring software. I fiddled
    around with the "Expression" part of the Pinnacle
    Instant CD/DVD software. It wasn't intuitive at all
    and it didn't "instantly" (as the name of the soft-
    ware package implies) do what I want, so I decided
    to do some 'net based research to see if others have
    had the same problem and if so what they did about it.
    That's what brings me here. There was an old thread
    about this that popped up at the top of a Google
    search. The solution in that thread was that the guy
    asking the question found someone with an error-free
    version that he could copy. Unless the rental place
    has a 2-disk set version (assuming their copies of
    that version don't have mastering errors), that
    solution won't work for me (per Blockbuster's policy
    my rental fee is not refundable, so starting the
    process over at another place means more money out-
    of-pocket--which in my opinion will definitely put
    this into the "not worth it" catagory). I tried
    Nero as well. It acted like it was going to do what
    I wanted, but the resulting DVD was merely a file
    dump (a copy of the .vob files without the necessary
    accessory files) that obviously wouldn't play in a
    set-top DVD player. This may sound stupid and
    selfish, but I'm surprised that these software
    packages don't have simple programs that will create
    the basic accessory files needed to turn .vob or .mpg
    files into a set-top box readable DVD intuitively.
    I'm also surprised that there isn't a small freeware
    or shareware program available that will do it. On
    the other hand I'm not an expert at this so I'm
    hoping I'm wrong and that someone who reads this
    will suggest a software title or process using the
    software I have installed that will work.

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions, and thanks
    to all who read this for taking the time to do so.
     
  6. 321sucker

    321sucker Regular member

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    Most of desktop comptibilty issues are related to the brand of blank media being used.
    I have tried several different media brands, Khypermedia,generic no name, verbatum, memorex,fuji and last but not least Ridata. For the buck Ridata wins hands down. It's compatible with the majority of dvd players and has excellent good vs bad media ratio. I mean that I've purchase over 1000 Ridata and have had 1 bad disk out of that 1000. My dvd burner immediatly recognized that the disk was bad. I use Liteon 451-s with hacked firmware updraging the liteon to a 851s. ANd a NEC 2500a with hacked firmware ver 1.07 making my NEC a DL burner and with the riplock removed. Liteons dont have ripping limitations as most other drives do.
    My point being, changing media brands should resolve your playback issues.
     
  7. kyle2k4

    kyle2k4 Guest

    playback problems due to bad media i can understand...but can you have problems burning to media that your burner just doesn't agree with??
     
  8. 321sucker

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    Liteons will burn to just about anything, but the quality of the media can most definately play a part in the success of that burn.

    Download dvdinfo pro and scan your burnt disk with this tool. Its a valuable info tool.
     
  9. kd6tas

    kd6tas Member

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    Thanks for the info.

    However, my problem isn't a hardware or blank media
    problem. It's a ripping problem. The original
    can't be ripped due to read errors in key files.

    The other problem/question is how to easily make
    .vob files into a DVD that will play in a set-top
    DVD player. Again, it's not a question of
    hardware or blank media, but a question (or request
    for suggestions/opinions) about authoring software.

    Thanks again.
     
  10. XtraCrisp

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    I had a similar problem w/ the Director's Cut side of the disk. DVDShrink would get errors. I even tried DVD Decrypter but that didn't work either.

    HOWEVER... I had NO PROBLEMS with Theatrical Version side. Copied it and watched the copy so I know it worked.

    I only do basic DVD ripping and am not a pro like some of the people on this forum, but I don't think it's a mastering issue or an intentional thing on the part of the video company. Is it possible (although unlikely) that these programs are getting redundancy errors because some of the menus on the movie link to the other side of the disc (ie "please flip disc now to see...")??? Perhaps the decrypter is almost reading it like a broken link, if you will, and just doesn't know where to go from there???
     
  11. ScubaPete

    ScubaPete Senior member

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    There is software out there that does a pretty decent job of reading that which doesn't want to be read -

    DVD X Rescue is one such proggy. It is part of DVD XCopy Platinum or can be had separately. a bit "O" "Googling" should result in a decent price -

    cheers,

    Pete
     
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    That's twice in 15 minutes that Pete has helped this newbie. :) Thanks Pete! I don't know why I didn't think to try that myself.

    Random question: Anyone notice that when they rip DVDs from certain companys (20th Century Fox being one of them) there are screens or snippets which you never see. I think Universal always shows Billy Elliot jumping in front of the Universal logo and I just found on The Abyss: Special Edition a few secs of footage of flowers that have nothing to do with the menus or movie. Almost as if these are little fraud detections, almost like watermarks. Any ideas?? Just curious.
     
  13. kd6tas

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    I agree that the reason for what is going on is
    likely to be something like what you are describing.
    This is by far the most elaborate DVD I've run into.
    All of this last one plays perfectly on a set-top
    DVD player but doesn't work worth a s**t in a PC.
    The theatrical version side nearly locks the system
    as soon as it is inserted. On the directors cut side
    I can rip all but the forth (of 5) .vob files that
    make up the main movie. To have a complete version
    of the directors cut I need the forth .vob file.
    If I use the InterActual viewer software that is
    included on the original, the directors cut side
    will play on the PC (including the forth .vob file
    that every other piece of software says has un-
    recoverable read errors). If an engineer was able
    to analyze and harness this problem, it could be
    the makings of the next generation of DVD copyright
    protection schemes.

    I've basically given up on trying to rip it and am
    now concentrating on turning the theatrical version
    .vob files that I managed to rip from an earlier
    attempt into a set-top box capable DVD. So far
    that's turning out to be a pain in the ass too.
    I don't know whether a discussion of that is
    appropriate for this forum or is better taken to
    the advanced forum.
     
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    I'll tell you exactly what I did. I use AnyDVD along w/ DVDShrink to rip the DVD and Nero to burn it. Again, no problem with the theatrical version. The Director's Cut would lock up at near the end of the process. I don't think I've tried to watch the movie for more than a few seconds in my PC, but I know it works on a set top player.

    As an aside... I've run into a few DVDs that might have had minor scratches and DVDShrink would get 'cycle redundancy error' but when I used DVD Decrypt and copied it to my HD before shriking it, it would solve the problem.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion.

    With the first original I went through the phase of
    thinking that the disk itself was damaged because it
    has some issues when playing on a set top box.
    I polished it to the point where that wasn't an
    issue, yet it acted exactly the same when trying to
    rip it. DVD Decrypter will attempt to re-read a
    sector as many times as you're willing to press the
    "retry" button. I went through that (hundreds or
    re-read attempts) as well as letting it skip read
    errors. Skipping read errors results in corrupted
    .vob files that hang the player. I'm not absolutely
    sure, but I believe that the type of software you
    suggest would act similarly to DVD Decrypter.
     
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    I'm not absolutely sure, but I think I've seen things
    like that. To minimize compression and even with
    DVD-5 disks I use settings that minimize the pre-movie
    scenes. If you're using DVD Shrink and have the
    "remove prohibited user operations" box checked, that
    might be a reason why some of those items are missing.
     

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