Ok I'm admitting I'm a little naive and dont fully understand all this. I have had a eurovox before which worked fine with loads of channels and ive set this up myself so can usually works this stuff out. I bought a Starview Combo HD last and did get HD channels, again set this up myself. Obviously since N3 its not working and i get there is no fix but there is talk on here of different boxes mainly dream? and kryptview? can i just clear up if either of these boxes will get non FTA channels with the current N3 situation. My question really is if they do which one can i get to work with my virgin package and if its possible in anyway to get my current starview working whether its off sat side or cable. I have read loads of the other forums and they dont reall answer my question fully hence why i'm asking. any help would be great.