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can't figure out the drive designations

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by pamelamg, Nov 1, 2004.

  1. pamelamg

    pamelamg Guest

    Okay, I know this is a stupid question, and we have been reading guides for three days, but....we have a DVDR/CDR combo drive. I am trying to backup (make a copy)of a disk and can't get the drives straight. We copied to the hard disk and now can't get the hard disk to burn to the new DVD. I know it's in front of my face, but I'm missingit.
     
  2. Gnomex

    Gnomex Regular member

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    Lets start with some simple questions.

    1. What software are you using to make your backup with?

    2. What is your burning software ?

    3. Make and model of burner and media used for backup?

    This is a good starting point...
     
  3. ScubaPete

    ScubaPete Senior member

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    Hi there pamelamg, welcome to aD,

    Generally it's a question of setting up everything correctly.

    Me, I'm lazy so I like a guide that does everything for me. And I guess, I'm a bit on the "Cheap" side, but not where it might come back and bite me on the butt (Lol)

    I found this neat guide that taught me everything I needed to know - it doesn't take too long to go through, ya want me to go over it with ya ?

    Here's the deal, you buy me a glass of ice water and I'll find it for us - Ooooohh, Yea, on your way back ? Go and grab hold of one of your favorite DVD's cause me and you is a-goin ta copy that "Bad Boy" in the next little short-short, Okie, Dokie ?

    Do we have a deal ?

    Yep, I thought you'd say that -

    Me, I'm going to wait right here until you get back and then we'll get started -

    Are we all set ?

    Great !

    Of course the main thing is to download the programs before you can think of doing anything :)

    Program # 1.
    (Get your DVD Decrypter's newest version here - )
    http://www.dvddecrypter.com/

    Program # 2.
    (Get your DVD Shrink's newest version here - )
    http://www.dvdshrink.org/

    Now that we've done that - exactly

    Get yourself nice and relaxed and follow this here, it's a step by step - and this baby can't fail, kweeler than a snowball down the back of your pants (Weeeee, :)

    First create a folder for your HD backup work. Try to put it someplace where you won't forget it (i.e. C:\All My DVD Work\Dumb and Dumber Meet the Parents Out for a Kill get Eaten Alive.)

    To be sure we don't miss a setting and that all steps are followed EXACTLY -

    PRINT THIS GUIDE OUT NOW !

    Next, lets get DVD Decrypter setup so it can burn in the background after DVD Shrink has done its thing - Ya ready ?? Yea, I knew you were :) Right-o, open up DVD Decrypter and under "Mode" select "ISO, Write". "un-tick" the box that says "Verify". Where it says "Source", you'll leave that blank as DVD Decrypter will find the location of your backed up DVD file automatically. Lastly, where it says "Destination", select the drive where your burner resides. Feel free to close DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink will open it when it needs it. ("Gee willikers Mr. Bill, I'm tired already - this is truly a lot of work." (Lol);)

    Next, open DVD Shrink, you have the latest version of DVD Shrink so click "Edit", then click "Preferences" on this page we're going to select "DVD Target Size" as "Custom" and set the size no higher than 4360MB - If your blank discs aren't the best, drop your size to around 4300MB. We do this to make extremely sure that our disc isn't too large AND that we're not burning to the very edge of the disc. Then under the "File I/O" tab "un-tick "Enable burning with Nero" then click "OK".
    Place your original DVD in your DVD-ROM drive and a DVD blank in your burner's drive. If you have only a single drive, begin by placing your original in the drive first - When it necessary to put your blank in, you will be prompted to do so. DO USE; Phillips, RiData, Sony, TDK, Ritek G04, Verbatim DataLife, Verbatim DataLife Plus, media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO", Taiyo Yuden's and generally, almost any discs manufactured by Mitsubishi are excellent bets. Other media could cause unnecessary errors, only the very best media should be used for DVD Video burning. Now is defiantly not the time to put your, "Boy did I save money buying this crappy cheap stuff." in - )
    Now let's burn a DVD. Today we're doing a total backup, that's all the things on the original disc. There's no problem in doing this as long as we do not see any "Red" on the size bar at the top, right-hand area of DVD Shrink's program. (If you should see some "Red" there, on the size bar, simply "Un-tick" any foreign languages like Bovine Slobber Jaw, Saturn Ring Worrble, Director's comments or DTS sound boxes until the "Red" disappears.) With no "Red" visible on the size bar we just let the "Automatic" (Default) settings alone. THEN we select "Backup". Take just a second and under "Target Device" go to "Select backup target " once there, select "ISO Image File and burn with DVD Decrypter" .
    Now, under "Quality Settings", if it's SPEED you're after, "un-tick" the box which says, "Perform deep analysis" and "un-tick" the box for "Compress the video with high quality adaptive error compensation". This will give you acceptable DVD backup.
    If it's QUALITY you're after and have some extra time to spend, "tick" Perform deep analysis" before backup to improve quality AND "tick" "Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation." There you may adjust quality enhancements. Practicing with the settings can produce even better end products. For a no-frills DVD's like "There's something about Mary" I like Extra Smooth BUT for DVD's with a lot of special effects, I use the Extra Sharp setting. That's for me, you'll have to decide what you like :) If all the boxes are "grayed out" that's OK, it means your DVD is small enough that little will be lost from the original. Finally, where it says "Select target image file", browse till you find your created folder for your backup and click "Save". That's it ! Click "OK" and DVD Shrink begins the process that burns that ISO image to your HD. What that means is DVD Shrink then opens DVD Decrypter and has it burn the ISO image to your waiting blank DVD.
    Don't use your PC for anything at all while it's working.

    I'M NOT KIDDING ! STAND BACK FROM THE COMPUTER !

    Hey, I've got to get going - I want to pick up a DVD to watch tonight from Block Buster's - Just give me a holler when you get done and "catch me up" on how it all turned out, OK ?

    Kweel, Chat with you later -

    Sea Yaaaaaaa,


    When you need a guide with a misguided sense of reality, shop ScubaPete :p)

    Cheers,

    Pete

    Remember, hurry back, we'll be a-waiting for a full report -

     
  4. pamelamg

    pamelamg Guest

    Thanks so much for the info...You are absolutely the best!!!!We got one to work!!! Now, the second one is stuck with a cyclical read error when creating the .iso file. Any way around this problem?
     
  5. ScubaPete

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    A "CRC" is usually a dirty or scratched disc. A quick clean may very well help. It could also be a dirty laser lens (they make a lens cleaning disc for that.).

    FYI, a CRC errors will generally drop your transfer mode from DMA to PIO making your working time drag on forever :(

    IF it happens on the burning side of a backup, it usually means that you're using a poor quality media and need to get some quality discs -

    Let me know how you make out.

    Cheers,

    Pete

     
  6. pamelamg

    pamelamg Guest

    I bought the expensive media to start. Cleaning helped, we are on the road. You have been a big help. We are both computer illiterate and technologically challenged. Our spelling is suspect as well, I don't know how we get dressed in the morning.
     
  7. hijacker

    hijacker Guest

    A dvd combo drive lets you use a DVD-ROM and burn with CDR/W it's not a DVD burner.
     
  8. pamelamg

    pamelamg Guest

    Our HP has a combo drive- DVD+RW/CD+RW drive. IT seems to read and burn DVD's.
     
  9. ScubaPete

    ScubaPete Senior member

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    pamelamg,

    I'm not speaking about how much $$$$ things cost, I'm refering to the quality of the media -

    The price companies charge, as we all know, deals with how much they think they can get away with :(

    Let's take Memorex as an excellent example as DVD media goes, 90% of Memorex is sub-standard as far as DVD backups are concerned, figures as high as 50% coasters have been reported (One member bought a stack of 50 and got 23 good burns.), not what I would call an impressive record. Memorex made a name for itself with their magnetic tapes (VHS and audio cassettes) and have been living off it ever since. There are 4 different companies that manufacture Memorex DVD's BTW and product quality varies widely as you might imagine. Only 10% of the Memorex out there, those are discs manufactured by Mitsubishi in the 25 pack spindle , and they're the exception - they are the good ones. It's easy to see now why the quality of a big-named company can't be trusted - " Who's making your Memorex tonight ?"

    Is it just Memorex ? No ! I just used Memorex as an example, Princo, Orange Pack, Great AZO and most "store" discs aren't all that suitable as a DVD backup media - that's why we are specific in the type of media we are recommending.

    1. * Cheap media freezes, skips, pixelats and may refuse to be recognized by both burners and players :-( Besides "Freezing", "skips" many times you'll get a "Cyclic Redundancy error" or an "I/O error". This message can mean that your discs are scratched or dirty, it can also mean that your burner won't accept your "cheap" media :-(
    Another problem which, "Pops up" is a "*Power Calibration Error". This can stop you right in your tracks and most often is caused by, Yep, you guessed it, inexpensive media. *A "Power Calibration Error" can also be attributed to the Optical Components of a DVD Writer, though this isn't usually the case.

    Orange Pack, Princo, Great AZO and 90% of Memorex plus many others are just not that good for DVD burning. Those same discs however, are quite good for your MP3 music, picture archives, Spread sheets and Data..Even DataSafe G04's made by Ritek have been reported as an inferior quality media and are evoking that "Oh no, I shouldn't have gotten those."

    What we are suggesting is to download this DVD Identifier to find out who manufactured your DVD and if it's a decent quality.

    http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/

    Once you have your disc identified, click the "More information" icon and see what information you're given. if you're not sure of the quality, come on back and we'll check it out for you -

    2. A good grade, Hi-quality media is needed for DVD reproduction ! RiData, Sony, TDK, "Branded" Ritek G04's or "Branded" Verbatim Data Life, Verbatim DataLife plus, Taiyo Yuden's and generally, almost any discs manufactured by Mitsubishi are excellent bets. Among the better discs we're looking for, any media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO" - BUT it must say "METAL" AZO !, this indicates a superior dye and dye application on a good composite disc, while they are sometimes a bit "pricey" they are just the type of media we're looking for to do our DVD backups, Prices online from Meritline.com OR Newegg.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a $ .45 (USD) a disc -

    For DVD backups, purchasing inexpensive media or even average media is a gamble, some people win BUT the majority lose, they lose varying amounts true but, they still lose :-(

    Using good grade media can guarantee you one thing to an absolute certainty; it surely cannot hurt.

    In an effort to clear the air, when I speak of "Cheap" or "Inexpensive" media, I'm not referring to the price you pay at the counter - I'm referring to poor quality control used during manufacturing and the quality of the dye, dye application or composite type used. I'm not saying it won't burn - Some may burn, some may not. It's quality is inconsistent, meaning it's not dependable.
    When I say "Branded" that means that when you pick up a disc in your hand, it says "Ritek" or "RiData" on the disc itself. The monetary cost of the media we recommend many times is cheaper than what you are purchasing now.

    We like to verify our information prior to recommending things. There are certain things we look at. For instance, when their dye and dye application are listed as unknown, this almost guarantees us they are using whatever they can get at a cheap price. Companies that use quality materials like to BRAG about it, naming names and staying with quality manufacturers who produce their media.

    Using DVD identifier and MediaMatch can help you find out a lot about what you're using. Purchasing your DVD media online can insure that you're getting quality merchandise at a good price. Shopping wisely will save you time, aggravation and money.

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
  10. pamelamg

    pamelamg Guest

    Oh great knower of all things....I'm now getting an error, can't read sector E: encrypted. Any suggestions?
     
  11. ScubaPete

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    pamelamg,

    Heh, heh, I don't know about the knower of all things BUT, I would suggest you try to rip first with DVD Decrypter using my fine-tune settings then process as usual with DVD Shrink -

    Here we go ~ ~> I'd like you to check your DVD Decrypter's settings. First, it should be version 3.5.1.0. Go to "Tools", "Settings", set everything to "Default". Then in the "General" tab change, "Removal Method" from "Normal" to "Aggressive", in "File Mode", "tick" Remove IFO/BUP PUO's." For ripping in the "ISO, Read Mode", "tick" "Remove IFO/BUP PUO's" there also. in the "CSS" tab, under "CSS Cracking Method", choose "Brute Force ~> I/O Key Exchange" and "On Failure" choose "Yes". . IMPORTANT: In the "I / O" tab, in the bottom right, "tick" the box which says, "Ignore read errors". This is an excellent setting for dealing with lightly scratched discs which may cause ripping problems.

    Then create a folder for your HD backup work. Try to put it someplace where you won't forget it (i.e. C:\All My DVD Work\Dumb and Dumber Meet the Parents Out for a Kill get Eaten Alive.)

    Open DVD Decrypter, lets get DVD Decrypter setup so it can read your DVD. Go to "Mode", then "ISO" then "Read". Now let's go to "Tools", "Settings" then go to the "I/O" tab and in the bottom right-hand side "tick" "Ignore read errors," then click OK". Under "Source" find the drive with your original DVD and in "Destination", since it's an ISO file it can go anywhere in your prepared folder. Then "click" the Drive to HD "icon" -

    We'll wait for the "rip, the music will let us know when DVD Decrypter is finished :) Meanwhile, I'm going for coffee and a smoke - I'll be back when it's done ~ ~>

    HINT: If you are going to burn with DVD Decrypter, DON'T FORGET TO - go back to DVD Decrypter after ripping, to reset the "Mode" from "ISO - Read" to "ISO - Write".

    Now go to DVD Shrink, "File" then "Open disc image" and process as usual -

    Cheers,

    SEASON'S GREETING ~

    Pete


     

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