Ok yes there are lots of topics on DVDLoader. ANd yes I read many pages but am still unclear. Lets start from the beginning shall we? Just installed my flip top last week. Have backed up three games so far. Fightnight which worked fine. Vice City, and Silent Hill 4 which dont at all. Both of the non-working show a red bar at the swap disc screen using Swap Magic DVD. So after reading around I thought I would try DVDLoader. Well here is where I am confused. I have both DVDLoader and CDLoader. According to swapmagicfix, you can load DVD's with CDLoader. IF this is the case what is the point of DVDLoader?? I can get CDLoader to work, and even get to the screen where it says insert DVD-R by EA method. but it doesnt load. I cant even get DVDLoader to load. It freezes when I swap it with Swap Magic DVD. I know this was long winded but can someone with some knowledge please put on the teacher hat and educate???