This may be a good topic here. I have an AVI movie file that has French subtitles, yet there is no additional subtitle file to it. Playable in Windows Media Player 10, when i choose the option to turn off subtitles, it will not turn it off (as i suspected). The subtitles look as though they are seperate from the video. What i'm trying to do is extract the French subtitles from the video, and translate them into English. I think the process for this would be to "demux" the video into it's three parts (video, audio, subtitle), edit the subtitle file, then "mux" the file back together. I've tried using the following programs to extract or edit, however, to failure: VobSub VirtualDub VirtualDubMod bbTools dvTools Subtitle Workshop Hex Workshop with VirualDubMod, i can see the report for the streams available in the file: ---== Video stream ==--- Source : [Input AVI file] Description : AVI video stream Length : 01:05:30.722 ---== Other stream ==--- Source : [Input AVI file] Description : AVI audio stream 1 [tag 0x0055, MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)] Length : 01:05:30.720 note, there's no subtitle stream listed. Does this mean i'm at a total loss? Can anyone help?