ok, here's the deal, about 3 weeks ago i bought a cheapo dvd-burner from fry's. it was a BTC 8x ±R, 4x ±RW for $60 (no rebate required). i didn't actually put it in my machine til about a week ago. also, at the same time i bought the burner, i bought a 50-spindle of the fry's brand (Great Quality) 4x DVD-Rs for $24.50. my intention was to use them to back up my xbox games library. i have 115 xbox games. anyways, with that BTC burner and those cheapie dvd-rs, i had hardly any trouble at all. i successfuly backed up 22 games with only 3 coasters. 2 of the coasters were due to a problem with the drive locing up during the finalization process, the other one was just a bad burn i guess, as it would play the disc just fine but would lock up during the creation of a profile. i tried burning that game again and it worked fine the 2nd time. now, about the problem. very shortly after i installed the drive, a friend of mine pointed out to me that newegg.com had the lite-on 832S dual layer burner for only $79. i am an avid lite-on fan (i already had a lite-on dvd-rom drive and a lite-on cd-rw 48125W in my PC for quite some time now). so what i did was take the BTC out and returned it to fry's, then when i got home from successfully returning it i immediately ordered the lite-on from newegg (which had subsequently already risen in price to $85). well this lite-on, the one that i wanted so bad from the brand i trust so much, arrived yesterday. when i got home last night i was more than happy to install it and start playing with it. the first thing i did was burn a demo (that my neighbor brought over) onto one of the 5 free DVD-Rs that newegg sent with the lite-on. the main purpose of that was just to find out what speed those DVD-Rs were since it didn't say on them anywhere. well, the demo worked fine and all, so i set back to the task at hand, backing up the rest of my xbox collection. this is where the problem started. of course, i went back to using those 4x's that i got from fry's. i already had made iso's of 4 games that were ready to burn. i burned the first iso with the nero 6 express (that came with the lite-on) and put it in the box. nada. i thought maybe it was a bad iso (Dead To Rights), so i tried the next iso (Otogi). same thing. i thought it might be the software, so i switched to RecordNowMax and tried that one again. same thing. the box would not read them, not even if i went into boxplorer to look at the disc, which makes me think they weren't getting finalized somehow. at this point i went to lite-on's website and dl'ed the latest firmware and installed it. that took it from V04 to V08. then i tried the same iso again with the same software. same thing. i was thinking that, for some reason, the lite-on was not finalizing the discs (even though every one of them said 'burned successfully'), but then i realized that the demo i burned at first with the newegg media worked just fine. so then i tried the same iso with that media, but this time i used alcohol 120% to burn it. well, it worked just fine in the xbox. so then i tried the fry's media again with the first iso and alcohol 120%. did not self-boot, but this one was the first one that was actually readable by boxplorer. at this point it was really late and i was very aggravated so i went to bed. i do not know if that last disc would actually play by selected the default.xbe in boxplorer, all i know is that i could browse to it and see all the files listed on it, which i was not able to do with any of the other discs of this media type. i still have about 20 discs left from that spindle and i guess what i need to know is: is there a way to get the lite-on to burn with this media or am i going to have to return it and go get another BTC burner? i really wanted to keep this lite-on because of the dual-layer capability, but if it is going to be this picky with media, i don't know if it is worth it.