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Discussion in 'PS2 - CD backup discussion' started by posituv, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. posituv

    posituv Member

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    Is it possible to rip games and compress it to a cd size, so that there wouldn't be no need to burn backups to DVDs??

     
  2. sly_61019

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    how do you shrink the game to fit onto a cd-r
     
  4. danbooke

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    Yeah, I'd like to know as well...
     
  5. gl2eddy

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    me too
     
  6. PimpDawg

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    Alright, I have a DVD rip guide here for just one game but it is really really long! I will post it though so hopefully it will help you all get started!

    [TOOLS:]
    Here is an overview of the tools which we will be using. Please do not contact me asking how to obtain these tools. That is YOUR responsibility! I can not and WILL NOT give out information on how or where you may obtain ANY copyrighted materials. Thus I will try to substitute shareware/freeware programs wherever possible.

    [1] a DVD ROM drive (can't read the DVD without the drive^_~)
    [2] a CDR (can't burn a backup without a burner)
    [3] a HEX EDITOR for editing files. I like Hex Workshop which s available as shareware. That is the program I will be using in these tutorials.
    [4] Sony CD\DVD Generator software.
    [5] Dreamcast Dummy File Maker Available as freeware.
    [6] ISOBuster Available as Freeware.
    [7] IML2ISo.EXE Available as Freeware.
    [8] CDRWin or equivalent. Available as shareware.

    PS2 game we will be working with: Orphen
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    [OVERVIEW:]
    For the sake of convenience I've decided to start with something relatively simple. Orphen lacks many of the complexities we'll encounter later on, however, I think ripping it will give you a good foundation and get you familiar with the tools we'll be using so that when we *do* get to the harder stuff, you won't have to struggle with it as much. Now that we've cleared that up, let's get started! :)
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    [STEP 1] Place the Orphen DVD in your DVDRom drive.
    Now, using Windows Explorer COPY all the files and folders on the DVD and then PASTE them to a temporary directory on your hard drive. Take note: Does this DVD have a volume label? Yes it does. The Volume label is ORPHEN.
    TIP: I like to name the temporary folder that I copy the files into after the volume label of the DVD-this helps me remember if it has one or not! ;)
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    [STEP 2] Let's see what we're dealing with. Highlight all the files and folders in your temp directory and right click. Now click on properties. Well, it's obvious that this one isn't going to fit on a cdr, but it's not *that* bad. We can deal with it. Ok, so let's decide where we can cut some space out. The general practice is to cut out the movies. Sounds like a plan; let's do that. Ordinarily ps2 movie files are named .PSS. But we don't see any of those...we do see some .MV3 files in the MV3 directory though. Voila! We found our movies. How do we know this? Well, I just know because I'm familiar with file types, but here's another way to tell: look at the directory name: MV3 is an acronym for MVE which stands for MOVIE. Guess they thought they were being sneaky, eh? ;p Another way to tell is to compare the headers of a .PSS file with the headers of the file type you're examining. You would do this using a hex editor. This may seem complex now, but later, after we've done some work with hex, it'll seem like a breeze. ;)
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    [STEP 3] Ok, now let's get rid of some files...we'll get rid of: MO2.MV3, MO4.MV3, MO5.MV3, M06.NV3, M07.MV3, M08.MV3, M10.MV3, M11.MV3, M14.MV3, M15.MV3, M16.MV3, M19.MV3. Now you might ask why I chose these. Well there are a few criteria for choosing what to delete: Generally, however, you'll want to pick the largest files and delete just enough to make the total size of the game small enough to fit on an 80min cd.
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    [STEP 4] Now we need to REPLACE the files we deleted. There are 2 good ways to do this. One, we can take the smallest file of a similar type and use that to replace the others by copying,pasting, and renaming it to the names of the missing files. Second, we can replace the missing movies with DUMMY files. Ordinarily this dummy file MUST be a valid PSS stream, however, in the case of Orphen it doesn't matter so we'll use a program which is readily available to make our dummy files. The Dreamcast Dummy File Maker. Using this we make a 1MB dummy file for each and all of the files we deleted. In other words, make 12 of them. ;)
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    [STEP 5] Now that we have all of our files in order (compare with the original DVD to make certain that you have all the files in your temp dir that are on the DVD), and have our dummy files in place, we are ready to set up the image-ALMOST! First we need to look and see if it makes any DVD checks. Open up Hex Workshop. Once there, open up the orphen ELF or SLUS file. Should be something like SLUS_500.62. Make sure it's NOT still set with the READ ONLY attribute in Windows or Hex Workshop will not be able to open it! Once the file is open we press CTRL+F to perform a simple search. The search dialogue box opens up. From the "Type" drop down menu select "Hex Values." In the "Value" dialogue box enter this string: 02000424. This string represents the the most common DVD check string. Now, check the "Find All Instances" box and make sure that "Down" is selected as your "Direction." Click OK and hex workshop will find all the values of this string. The results will be displayed in the bottom right window of Hex Workshop. There are a few instances of the string, howevr, none of them are a DVD check. We will discuss more on how to recognize a valid DVD check later. For now, take a look at these to familiarize yourself with what one does NOT look like. Learning to recognize false leads will help you later on so please do not skip this step. ;)
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    [STEP 6] NOW we're ready to set up the files for our image. Close up Hex Workshop; do NOT save any changes. Now load up CD\DVD Generator. Choose to "Create New Project" then select "CDROM Master Disc." The program will now open and drop you in the DIRECTORY menu. The program has 3 menus: VOLUME, DIRECTORY, and LAYOUT. Each has a seperate function. We will learn these as we go for convenience. First, let's click the VOLUME tab. This brings us, as one might expect, to the Volume window. Here we see inputs for such information as region, publisher, copyrights, and *Volume Label*. Under the "Master Disc Information" area enter in your SLUS name next to "Disc Name." In other words, input SLUS50062. Now in the "Volume Identifier" area, enter ORPHEN next to "Volume." You can enter whatever you want in the other areas, but I would simply leave them alone if I were you. We now click the DIRECTORY tab to take us back to the directory area. This is where we actually input our files into the program. This is also where we will create our directories which we will do first. Go to the Edit menu and choose "Create Directory." A new folder will be created; name it MV3. Now we're ready to input our files. To avoid un-neccessary troubles later on, it is always a good idea to input your files in their proper order. Minimize CD\DVD Gen and open up ISOBuster. If the only drive that has a disc in it is your DVDRom drive then the program will automatically view it. Otherwise, choose the proper drive from the drop down menu on the top left. In the Right Window of ISOBuster you will notice a descriptor called "LBA." This is the physical location of the file and how we determine what the file order is. It works as one might expect. An LBA of 1 would be the first file while and LBA of 2 would be the second, and so on. Ok, we see that the first file is GRP.BIN at LBA 24. Maximize CD\DVD Gen and simply drag and drop GRP.BIN from your temp directory into the CD\DVD Gen window. Make sure you drop it into the Root directory and NOT the MV3 dir!. Now simply do the same thing for the remaining files; Using ISOBuster s your guide drop the files into CD\DVD Gen in their proper order.
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    [STEP 7] Now we click on the LAYOUT tab in CD\DVD Generator. You can also close
    ISOBuster now. In the LAYOUT tab we look in the bottom window and we see the layout of our files. The first file you see listed should be GRP.BIN and it should reside at LBA 24. NOTE: CD\DVD Gen represents LBA with the descriptors "START" and "END." Start is the one you want to look at here. Let's assume, for the sake of this example that your first LBA is not at 24. We need to change that. Highlight GRP.BIN in the bottom window and right click it. Now select the "Location" option. A dialogue box will pop up. This is where you enter in the LBA you want the file at. Enter 24 and hit OK. You'll notice that GRP.BIN is now at a Start LBA of 24. Perfect! This gives us a file order which is pretty close to the original. We'll leave it at that. :)
    [NOTE:] For those using the swap trick WITHOUT a modchip, you will do what is
    here, but you will also highlight SYSTEM.CNF, right click, select Location, and input 12231. This will allow you to use the swap tricks like the COG and KNIFE swaps to boot your backup. Unfortunately you also stand the chance of making your image too big. If this happens you will not be able to export an IML file and you will see a negative number displayed in the time box under the LAYOUT section of CD\DVD Gen. A shortcoming of the software is that it only supports 71 Minute CDs. You can work around this by selecting to create a DVD Master Disc at startup, then continuing as normal. So there ya go. You're all set! ;) Also note that if there is already a file at or near LBA 12231 you need to drag SYSTEM.CNF *above* that file in the LAYOUT Window BEFORE you try to change the location of system.cnf.
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    [STEP 8] From the File menu in CD\DVD Gen, choose "Export IML File" it will ask
    you where you want to put it. Put it in the same dir as IML2ISO.exe for convenience. Name it orphen.iml. Now we can close CD\DVD Gen. You don't need to save if it asks you. We are now ready to build our ISO. From the Windows Start Menu select Programs\MSDOS Prompt. If you cannot find that, then select Run...and input "Command" and hit OK. Now that we have our DOS Window open we move to the dir where we put IML2ISo and we type: "iml2iso orphen.iml ORPHEN.ISO. This will create our ISO image.
    TIP: You can skip all the DOS stuff by choosing Start\Run\Browse to the
    folder where you stored iml2iso and select iml2iso exe and hit ok. Now BEFORE you run it, enter the command line arguments to the end.
    Example: C:\TEMP\iml2iso.exe orphen.iml ORPHEN.ISO. Once the ISo has been created we can delete the Temp dir where we were storing the files.
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    [STEP 9] Time to BURN! =) We now open CDRWin and select "File Backup and
    Tools." Next we choose "Record ISO9660" from the top drop down menu. We then select our image file, ORPHEN.ISO. Now from the bottom drop down menus we select CDROMXA and MODE2. We then make sure that ONLY "Finalize/Close Session" and "Write Postgap" are checked. Now simply hit "Start" and wait for the burn to finish.
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    VOILA! We just made a working backup of our first DVD! Hooray for us!! (^_~)
    This was a simple example but it gave us an idea of what we're doing and how we're doing it. As always, if you have any specific questions or problems please feel free to post them on the forum. Also, for those of you looking for an alternate burning program, check out ps2man's site, where you can find a tutorial on how to back up Orphen using EasyCD Creator. His URL is http://rockzz.com/ps2man. Check under the tutorials section. You'll notice that
    file order doesn't seem to matter much in Orphen. This is true. But I want you to get into the habit of lining up files in their proper order so you'll be ready when we get to some other projects down the line. Next on the Agenda: Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2.
     
  7. PimpDawg

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    Here is another game from the same guide. I also forgot to mention the author's name of this tutorial is gokun.

    LESSON 2: Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2
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    [OVERVIEW:]
    For our next lesson I've chosen a game which is similar, in many respects, to Orphen. We will make it fit on a CD by removing movie files, and as with Orphen file ordering isn't really an issue. However, we WILL order them as closely as possible to original so we'll be in the habit when the time comes. More importantly however, are the differences between this Lesson and Orphen. In this Lesson we will use one of the movie files on the DVD to replace the
    ones we delete, and we will also encounter our first DVD check. But I'm getting ahead of myself ;). This tutorial will also be somewhat shorter than the first because by now you should be familiar with the general methods involved. Welcome to Lesson 2! =) Also, all the tab stops were getting on my nerves so I’m formatting the tutorials from this point on in a slightly lazier format. ;p

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    [STEP 1] Place your original DVD in your DVDRom drive. Now make a temporary directory on your hard drive and copy all the files and folders on the DVD to your temp directory. Take note of if there is a Volume label on the DVD. In this case, there is not. Even so, let's rename our temp directory to "SARGE" so we don't lose track of it. ;)
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    [STEP 2] Once more we check the total file size of all the game files by highlighting them all, right clicking and then hitting properties. Too big to fit on CD so we'll have to rip something. If we look in the FMV directory, we notice a bunch of .PSS files. As mentioned in Lesson 1, these are movie files, and our easiest targets for ripping. Looking at the files we see that the smallest PSS we have is m01.PSS. Now, remove enough of the largest PSS files so that the game files are under 650MB. Yes, I could just tell you which to delete, but I want you to learn to do this yourselves, and to use your own judgement in these situations. Now that we've made some room, we take m01.PSS and copy and paste it, renaming it to the names of the PSS files that we deleted. Now we have all our files back. We're ready to continue. ;)
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    [STEP 3] Now we tackle our first DVD check! Open up Hex Workshop and then Open up the SLUS file for Sarge's Heroes. It should be called: SLUS_201.32. We now hit Ctrl+F and do a search for the Hex Value: 02000424. There will be several instances. In Orphen, we looked at some strings that were NOT the actual check. Take a look at these now and see if you can rule some of these out. TIP: If the string is halfway down the SLUS or further, it's probably NOT the check. Rule it out. ;)Now let's get a little bit of background: The first DVD check string discovered was this:
    0000 9886 [8293] 0600 [40]10 0100 0424 8CC4 040C [02]00 0424.
    The strings in brackets [] are the strings that are important. What this string is, very basically, is a media check. It equates to: if not the proper media then stop. Well, if we change the [02] into an [01] then we change the string to be: if not the proper media then continue anyway. Now, how each group of game developers codes this string WILL vary from game to game. However, luckily for us, the important string (0200 0424) has NOT changed thus far. This is why we do our search for 0200 0424. Problem is, there are many occurances of this string in most cases. So how do we know which one to change? Unfortunately it's more art than science. You must learn to recognize similarities with other valid checks, as well as recognizing what false leads generally look like. This is why I asked you to examine the strings in Orphen back in Lesson 1. ;) However, since we have no other strings at this point with which to compare, I'm going to give you this one. The string you want to change is:
    A012 0100 0424 1300 D516 [02]00 0424 0100 0424 D25F
    It is located at Offset:00018C94. If you look closely you will notice similarities to the example string that I gave you above. This is one of the reasons I chose this game for this lesson. ;) As in our first example we see that the string we want is preceeded by 0100 0424 xxxx xxxx. This is one of the similarities I'm talking about. Also, we notice that there is ONLY ONE occurance of this string in the entire SLUS. You will almost ALWAYS have only one occurance of the valid DVD check. So, we now hit Ctrl+H to bring up our "Replace" dialogue in Hex Workshop. In the first area we enter: A012010004241300D51602000424 and in the second area we enter our corrected
    string: A012010004241300D51601000424.
    Notice we changed the 02 into an 01. We now hit OK and Hex Workshop will stop at the first occurance, giving us some options on what to do. Since we know that this string only occurs once, we select "Replace All." We then get a message telling us that 1 occurance has been replaced. Perfect! Now we save the file and exit Hex Workshop.
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    [STEP 4] Now open up CD\DVD Generator and select Create New Project, CDRom Master Disc. We open in the DIRECTORY tab as usual. Click on the VOLUME tab and enter in your Disc Name under the Master Disc options. As always it is the name of our SLUS file. In this case, SLUS20132. Now Click the DIRECTORY tab again. We now create all our directories. For this game there are quite a few. Create all the main directories first, then create all the sub-directories. NOTE: to create a sub-directory, first highlight the dir you want it inside of, THEN select Create Directory. Once all of our directories have been made, we're ready to proceed.
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    [STEP 5] As in Lesson 1 we open ISOBuster to see the correct file ordering for this game.As before, drag and drop the files into CD\DVD Gen. in the order dictated by ISOBuster. NOTE: To drop a file within a folder you must first highlight that folder in CD\DVD Gen. The icon will change to an open folder when you've done it correctly. Moving right along, place all your files in their correct directories and in their correct order. Once this is done we can Export our IML file. We will call it sarge.iml and will once again place it in the same dir as IML2ISO.EXE. You can now close CD\DVD Gen and ISOBuster.
    [NOTE:] Once again, those of you using the swap trick can place SYSTEM.CNF at LBA 12231. If our image becomes "too big" we simply create a DVD Master Disc Project instead.
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    [STEP 6] From DOS, or from Start\Run... we input iml2iso sarge.iml SARGE.ISO. Once our ISO image has been made we can erase the files in the temporary directory.
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    [STEP 7] We're ready to BURN! As in Lesson 1, we open CDRWin and select all the same settings. We then hit start and go have a cigarette(or whatever you like) while our burn completes.
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    BOOYA!! We Just completed our second DVD Rip! WooHoo!! (^_~) Now we're starting to get familiar with the process. Not only do we know several ways to replace files, and several types of files we can replace, but we have also tackled out first DVD Check! Not bad for a day's work I'd say! As always, direct any questions to the DVD forum at Zima's. I am always happy to help if I see that you're making an effort!
     
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    or you could spend $50-$100 AND GET A DVD BURNER!
     
  9. posituv

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    I HAVE a DVD Burner!!

    I just wanted to know whether it was possible or not...just to remember...I can get two CDRs for the price of one DVD ....usually.
     
  10. danbooke

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    Damn that is a lot of work to just back it up on a cdr. Will the cdr work if you try to play it? Or is this whole process just to back up the files so you can later extract them to burn to a dvd?
     
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    I can't find the files that i should delete in the game i am trying to backup onto a cd. The game is DDR Extreme and the largest file is filedata.bin (823 mb) and sd.bin (112 mb) all other files are less than 3mb. I'm assuming that the things i need to delete are in these files but i can't open them up. I've tried using programs like ultraIso but it says it is an invalid image format.
     
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    i have a question. can what size dvd rips be to so that you dont have to use breaker pro?
     
  13. sly_61019

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    under 630megs.
     

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