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extremem newbite with dvd+/- having extremem issues...

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  1. rosspod

    rosspod Member

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    Just noticing some stuff on the board, ill load this with as much pertinent information as i can.

    First off the system: Amd Athlon 1800XP, Windows XP, nvidia GEForce Fx5200, 512mb Ram. 120gig hdd(master primary ide channel on mb.) 20gig(slave on primary ide)
    CDROM(master on secondary channel on ide) NEW I/O Magic IDVD16DD DVD+/-r/rw drive (slave on secondary ide channel)

    Second the problem : this is where it gets tricky, when i fist installed the device, i never could boot windows, it kept almost booting, then rebooting, so i did a clean re-install. I am able to play cds, dvd's, and burn cd's, but i cannot burn a dvd for the life of me, 6 coasters so far, and counting.

    Third, what i have tried: I followed the direction from this thread to a t, and still no luck freshly defragged, it is set up for DMA mode, so i am lost.

    Fianlly, a log:

    ross



    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.57 (1008), size=48128 bytes, created 12/22/1997 5:23:24 PM
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 5:35:34 PM
    Nero version: 6.6.0.3
    Recorder: <ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16> Version: G7C9 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148C >Version: B105 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST3120026A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    DiskPeripheral : ST320413A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148C atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148C E: CDRom0
    ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16 F: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 511MB (523760kB)
    Free physical memory: 225MB (231400kB)
    Memory in use : 55 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    29.12.2004
    UDF/ISO compilation
    11:53:46 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    11:53:46 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    11:53:46 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6168
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet :FALSE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    11:53:46 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files sorted

    11:53:46 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    Reader running

    11:53:46 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    Writer ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16 running

    11:53:46 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:53:46 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:53:46 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3151
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    11:53:46 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 256
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2214345 (492:04.45, 4324MB)

    11:53:46 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 268
    Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

    11:53:46 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2309
    Recorder: ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16, Media type: DVD+R

    11:53:46 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 430
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    11:53:46 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 830
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2214496 (2214496) = #2214496/492:6.46
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2214496 blocks [ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    11:53:46 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1040
    Prepare recorder [ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 240320512, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
    2214496 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00

    11:53:46 PM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files started

    11:53:46 PM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4038
    Cache writing successful.

    11:53:46 PM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files completed

    11:53:46 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

    11:53:46 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2596
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    11:53:46 PM #21 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1176
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x03366000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

    11:53:46 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5611
    Drive: ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16
    Book Type request: DVD-ROM
    Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0

    11:53:46 PM #23 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4827
    Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM

    11:53:46 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 608
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    11:54:19 PM #25 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1430
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x03920000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x0C
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x61 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00

    11:54:19 PM #26 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
    Write error

    11:54:19 PM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    11:54:19 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    11:54:21 PM #29 Phase 127 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Generating DVD high compatibility borders

    11:54:30 PM #30 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1176
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x72
    Sense Qual: 0x01
    CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x01

    11:54:30 PM #31 Phase 129 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Generating DVD borders completed successfully

    11:54:30 PM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5611
    Drive: ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16
    Book Type request: DVD-ROM
    Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0

    11:54:30 PM #33 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process failed at 8x (11,080 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.57 (1008), size=23936 bytes, created 12/22/1997 6:02:46 PM
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148), size=86656 bytes, created 8/23/2001 7:00:00 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

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    The software im using : to back up : dvd shrink, the newest version, and of course nero to burn the discs. I am ripping my hair out on this one, please help me!

    The media: memorex 8x dvd+r 4.7gb 120min.

    *edited to remove my nero s/n and to add the media i am using*
    Thank you so much.
    Ross.
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2004
  2. cuteperv

    cuteperv Regular member

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    may b i read wrong but u said u can read/play/rip musics, videos from the new drive you installed right? but u cannot burn any movies or watever right?
    I think all you need to do is install the drive for the new drive you installed (if u didn') now if u do that already, then you need to return the drive and curse the place 4 selling a damaged product to you.
    I said that b/c i suppose your OS runs just fine b4 installing this drive, and now u install it and your OS stops booting, it must b either the drive, or you installed it on the wrong IDE slot. But then u said everything went well after reinstalling the OS, so the problem is now the drive then, not u.
     
  3. zippyd

    zippyd Active member

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    I'm not a log expert, but from what I saw, try different blanks. I think it doesn't like your Memorex. You might also try dropping your burn speed to 4x.
     
  4. kchev

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    i agree with zippyd, try some different media
    memorex is not the best media to be using anyway
    also, try some RW's until you figure out what is wrong (alot cheaper)
    burner firmware updated?
     
  5. rosspod

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    i am about to call the company who produced the burner's tech support to see if they recommed any type of media. ive tried all the speeds available 8x, 4x, and the one below that i don't remember exactly but i tried it. i appreciate the help an i'll let you know what happens next!

    also with the firmware, looking on thier site there are two different burners with the sam model number the normal version, and version b, im not sure what i have, and i don't want to kill the drive.

    **edited for explanation on firmware**
    ross
     
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    okay, so after doing a live chat with iomagic, thier phone tech support is a nightmare i made the following changes, 1)updated to the latest firmware. 2) removed the cd rom from my config so the dvdrw drive is on its own channel set to master. 3) I bought 5 compusa dvd+rw discs, and 5 tdk dvd+r discs.

    Im still getting the same erros, and occasionally, an "illegal disc" error. and ideas?
     
  7. cuteperv

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    your biggesg mistake is using DVD+R which is less compatible than DVD-R. Try Ridata Ritek Go4 DVD-R as your media, and stay away from DVD+R.
    And for your info, the tech who talked to you on the phone is probably some kid who is still in high school so don't expect much from them. Just imagine a guy w/ a 4 year college degree, y would he have to answer phone all days?
     
  8. zippyd

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    That was true at one time, but these days I would definitely have to disagree. I use +R for all my burns and all of my copies play in all of my DVD players. That includes a PS2 and one DVD player that are over 3 yrs old and a couple that have just been bought this year.

    @rosspod,

    If you would like to learn a little about different media brands and their quality, have a look at the following..........
    http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

     
  9. rosspod

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    ends up it was a deffective burner. i took it back, swapped it our for a new one, and im up and running and burning + media, even the memorex, flawlessly.

    thank you so much for your help!

    ross
     
  10. kchev

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    agree with zippyd, there is nothing wrong with +R media now
    it is bitset as DVD-ROM, it is just, if not more, compatible than -R
     
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  12. cuteperv

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    may b the compatiblity of DVD+R holds true for PS2, but i guarantee u that it won't hold true for playing DVD Movie.
     
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    It's an endless debate and none of us has any proof. To each their own. Now I suggest we should drop it before a flame gets started.
     
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    ross, how did you find out it was defective?
     
  15. ScubaPete

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    We are glad you're up and burning - the tech was correct to have you move your burner to master (the CD ROM will be fine as slave if you want) -

    The information about media is in fact confusing But here's a little lesson about what we have found over the years when it comes to DVD video work - that and only that - backing up DVD's is very, very special and the "Guys" were trying to save you headaches in the future -

    For our little lesson, let's take Memorex as an excellent example as DVD media goes, 90% of Memorex, made by CMC, is sub-standard as far as DVD backups are concerned, figures as high as 50% coasters have been reported (One member bought a stack of 50 and got 23 good burns.), not what I would call an impressive record. Memorex made a name for itself with their magnetic tapes (VHS and audio cassettes) and have been living off it ever since. There are 4 different companies that manufacture Memorex DVD's BTW and product quality varies widely as you might imagine. Only 10% of the Memorex out there, those are discs manufactured by Mitsubishi in the 25 pack spindle , and they're the exception – they are the good ones. It's easy to see now why the quality of a big-named company can’t be trusted - “ Who’s making your Memorex tonight ?”

    Is it just Memorex ? No ! I just used Memorex as an example, Princo, Orange Pack, Great AZO and most "store" discs aren’t all that suitable as a DVD backup media – that’s why we are specific in the type of media we are recommending.

    1. * Cheap media freezes, skips, pixelats and may refuse to be recognized by both burners and players :-( Besides "Freezing", "skips" many times you’ll get a “Cyclic Redundancy error” or an "I/O error". This message can mean that your discs are scratched or dirty, it can also mean that your burner won’t accept your “cheap” media :-(
    Another problem which, “Pops up” is a “*Power Calibration Error”. This can stop you right in your tracks and most often is caused by, Yep, you guessed it, inexpensive media. *A “Power Calibration Error” can also be attributed to the Optical Components of a DVD Writer, though this isn’t usually the case.

    Orange Pack, Princo, Great AZO and 90% of Memorex plus many others are just not that good for DVD burning. Those same discs however, are quite good for your MP3 music, picture archives, Spread sheets and Data..Even DataSafe G04’s made by Ritek have been reported as an inferior quality media and are evoking that “Oh no, I shouldn’t have gotten those.”

    What we are suggesting is to download this DVD Identifier to find out who manufactured your DVD and if it's a decent quality.

    http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/

    Once you have your disc identified, click the "More information" icon and see what information you're given. if you're not sure of the quality, come on back and we'll check it out for you -

    2. A good grade, Hi-quality media is needed for DVD reproduction ! RiData, Sony, TDK, "Branded" Ritek G04's or "Branded" Verbatim Data Life, Verbatim DataLife plus, Taiyo Yuden's and generally, almost any discs manufactured by Mitsubishi or RICOH are excellent bets. Among the better discs we're looking for, any media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO" - BUT it must say "METAL" AZO !, this indicates a superior dye and dye application on a good composite disc, while they are sometimes a bit "pricey" they are just the type of media we're looking for to do our DVD backups, Prices online from Meritline.com OR Newegg.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a $ .45 (USD) a disc –

    For DVD backups, purchasing inexpensive media or even average media is a gamble, some people win BUT the majority lose, they lose varying amounts true but, they still lose :-(

    Using good grade media can guarantee you one thing to an absolute certainty; it surely cannot hurt.

    In an effort to clear the air, when I speak of "Cheap" or "Inexpensive" media, I'm not referring to the price you pay at the counter - I'm referring to poor quality control used during manufacturing and the quality of the dye, dye application or composite type used. I'm not saying it won't burn - Some may burn, some may not. It's quality is inconsistent, meaning it's not dependable. To make matters worse, many times the discs that you do burn may play in your PC BUT your standalone player may not accept them – what good then is a backup DVD that cannot be watched on a DVD player ?

    When I say "Branded," that means that when you pick up a disc in your hand, it says "Ritek" or "RiData" on the disc itself. The monetary cost of the media we recommend many times is cheaper than what you are purchasing now.

    We like to verify our information prior to recommending things. There are certain things we look at. For instance, when their dye and dye application are listed as unknown, this almost guarantees us they are using whatever they can get at a cheap price. Companies that use quality materials like to BRAG about it, naming names and staying with quality manufacturers who produce their media.

    Using DVD identifier and MediaMatch can help you find out a lot about what you're using. Purchasing your DVD media online can insure that you're getting quality merchandise at a good price. Shopping wisely will save you time, aggravation and money.

    LASTLY, a little FYI, ]. We all know that data, music and video backups on CD's and DVD's will last forever, well, if not forever for at least 100 yrs or so - That's what we've read and I believed and that's why we backup our treasures to disc, so that they'll be safe. "BLAaaaT" (the bone chilling sound of an emergency air horn), Wrong, Dead Wrong ! Don't throw the originals away, you may very well need them. Your video camera tapes and family picture CD's and DVD's, may not be there the next time you want to look at them. "Point of fact," inferior discs have a tendency to "Break down]" in time. In a very short time, we're talking disc can breakdown in less than a single year, in as little as 6 to 8 months.

    This article was written about CD discs but DVD discs are exactly the same. I was miss-informed and this opened my eyes. Perhaps you'll find it as important as I did.

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513486

    I have had about 40 backups that have refused to play after being stored for a year or more. I test all of my backups when they are burnt to be very sure that there are no problems. "In the Golden, Olden times," before I knew any better, the Memorex, Maxell's and professional "Store Brand" discs (and any thing that was on sale) was what used before I switched to Ritek, RICOH and Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.).

    It is the poor quality stuff that I have been experiencing my trouble with. I noticed that backup DVD's I had, refused to play in my standalone player and on my PC. VOB files wouldn't play either and other discs that I backed up about the same time would "Freeze" part way through the movie. After switching to Verbatim and Ritek's, mostly the Ritek's because the price was right, I've not had 1 go "Flat" in over 1 ½ years. I still have some backups about 90 of them done on the "cheap stuff" and, as time wears on I lose a few more as I attempt to check them. I say to you, why did a backup play fine the end of "02"and "03" then "fail" in "04 ?? Some that were done in "03" never made it till "04" (it took me some time to learn, lol) Most of my backups from around March of "03" were done on the "good Stuff" and they still work fine today - not a single failure ! What about now ? Well in a very short time when the calendar changes to 2005, I'm going to run the rest of them through. It's been too long and I don't want to run the risk that I've lost an original OR one has been borrowed and never returned (like that's never happened, Huh ?). I want my discs back and 005 is the year -

    Don't go through what I did, protect your investment.

    Cheers and Happy New year,

    Pete


     
  16. rosspod

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    pete,

    i really thank you for the advice. it certainly is well formed, and i know lots of reason is behind it. the whole dvd world is a lot different than the cd burning world. that, or i never read this much into the cd burning world. i usually buy the media thats on sale (usually memorex, which is why i used them for my first round of dvds) but i will definately make sure i pick up more quality media in the future.

    jimisan, i figured it was defective after trying everything tech support had asked, and no luck. after trying 3 brands of media and no go. it just didn't seem right. i took it back, voila!

    thanks,
    ross
     
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    Hello ross, you said you got a replacement for that I/O magic 16x, Did you replace it with the same model# or a totally different model?

    I've got my lite-on dvd rom set on secondary master and my I/O magic 16x burner on secondary slave. My pc,dvd shrink,nero and dvd decrypter recognizes my I/O burner as a benq 1610 or 1620. I must have been manufactured by benq for Iomega. This baby is burning everything I slap in it,mainly mcc and ricohjpn01.The backups from this burner plays in more stand alones than my old one,without playing around with different media and burn speeds.

    Happy new year!
     
  18. rosspod

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    they swapped it out with a brand new of the same model the dvd16dd or something similar the box is at my girlfreinds so im not sure. but i think the first one was pretty messed up. now, im burning flawlessly in 8 minutes for a 4 gig movie at 8x. im extremely satisfied. i can't wait till the double layer media becomes more affordable.
     
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    I am getting the sony + 1x - 8x to burn at 16x if I don't pay attention to my burn settings on the I/O.
    12x on verbatim +8x also.8x burning,no problems so far. Have a great new year!
     

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