i just wanted to make a thread for anyone that knows / wants to know anything about installing DVD 9 games onto HDloader. there are so many conflicting opinions out there and it would be nice to finally get the bottom line on this topic. [bold] do you need to rip to dvd 5 before installing with WINHIIP / HDL_DUMP / ETC. ? or can you just install the DVD 9 image directly without shrinking first? has anyone gotta the extras in Madden 2005 CE to work on their hd loader? do dual layered games lose any quality / content if ripped to DVD 5 or ripped via HANDINESS / WINHIIP / HDL_DUMP? [/bold] if anyone can answer these questions, i'm sure it would be a great help to everyone that would like to install games like Xenosaga / Madden 2005 CE / and GTA: SAN ANDREAS onto their hdd's. thank you.