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Gladiator ripping problem - no sound

Discussion in 'Convert DVD to another format' started by human_v.9, Aug 30, 2002.

  1. human_v.9

    human_v.9 Member

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    Hi,

    I seem to be having a problem I just can't resolve and any help would be appreciated. I'm trying to rip Gladitor DVD to make a SVCD. I've ripped it with SmartRipper 2.41 and cladDVD XP 1.3. After I get the VOB files I try and play them on WinDVD (v 2.0) to make sure that the rip was good. In both cases it appears that I'm getting audio on some chapters and no audio on others. In fact the audio seems to disappear in the middle of chapters! Help!

    Do I need to use some specific settings? I've tried dropping some of the 6ch streams when using SmartRipper but then WinDVD doesn't even play the VOB at all.

    Any ideasm suggestions would be much appreciated.

    btw, another thing, I noticed the opening in the movie (DreamWorks logo) from both rippers is strongly brown tinged but when playing from the DVD it's blue. Anyone else have that?

    thanks,

    human
     
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    OK this is sad, I can't answer Q1, but the last bit I happen to know:

    Ridley Scott decided to trick the guys at Dreamworks (who did not want their corporate identity altered in any way) by converting the dreamworks logo into brown, or rather sepia, so as to give the movie some authentic look. If you look both on the original DVD and the copy, you will find they are actually both brown, you just think that it is blue because that is what you are used to. When they previewed the movie, they did not notice (perhaps because Rudy is right, it works better) and they went ahead with the brown logo!

    I am not kidding around, this is true!

    Paul.
     
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    Hmmm, interesting. Thanks. But I have to tell you that the logo from the movie is blue and I'm not just imagining it!

    On another note, it turns out if I drop the 6-ch SCT(?) encoded audio channel when ripping (using SmartRipper which allows channel selection) then the audio works fine. I don't know why but I imagine it may be that the movie switches audio around and I don't have drivers for the SCT (?) encoding.
     
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    OK, I must take issue with you. I went downstairs when I read your post, took out my original English Copy of Gladiator, which I paid £24.99 for (sad, but true!) and played it. Both the Universal Logo and the Dreamworks logo are brown. Very brown, without even a hint of blue, they are so brown at to be the complete antithesis of blue. They could not possibly be and shade of blue whatsoever. I then spoke to my friend Ridley Scott (Or Rudy, as I call him) and he told me that he changed the colour to brown.

    I have no idea what you are watching, but it is not Gladiator, as, and I may have mentioned this, THE LOGOS ARE BROWN!!!!!

    Sorry to shout, bad day you know....

    Best of luck with your brown movie.

    Paul.
     
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    Then the DVDs you and I are watching are different. I am in the US and rented (yes I know folks!) the movie, so unfortunately I can't tell you what the logos or mastering info on it was but it was a package with 2 DVDs, the first had the movie (in 16:9 widescreen I believe) and the second DVD was extras with supposedly interviews and whatnot (never saw it).

    The opening logo sequence is blue, very blue. Tell Rudy that Dreamworks cottoned up to him and changed the logo back.

    Seriously, the logo in the US version is blue and if you can, have another person in the US check it for you. What I find inteesting is that the ripped version changes color and I'm wondering how that works.

    Anyway, what the heck did you think of the movie anyway?
     
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    OK human v.9, I give up! I thought the movie was great (really great actually, as I have a friend who has it and I bought it anyway, without, er, borrowing it each time I wanted to watch it (phew, got out of a tight one there!)

    Sorry that your logo changes colour, but I think we are at cross purposes is here:

    The movie file, ie the bit with chapters, starting from the beginning with the logos and stars names etc, and ending at the end, with the credits (sorry to sound patronising, I promise, I don't mean to) has brown logos, in American version too, as I have seen it there. However, the start up bits, ie the bits that go through the moment you start the movie up when you put it in your box are standard, ie blue. If you are copying DVD to SVCD, you are not copying these bits and therefore you may not have noticed.

    That is the only explanation I can offer!

    Regards, Paul.
     
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    Well, it doesn't matter to me whether it's blue or brown, Paul. It was interesting that it appeared to change color during the rip and I was wondering why/how.

    You may be very right that the chapter beginnings and credits are brown tinged and not to repeat myself ad nauseam but let me try, for the last time, to describe what I "see".

    When I pop the movie in my PC or DVD player and it automatically starts playing, it starts with the reflection of the moon in a pond, a drop of water drops in the pond, the camera "pans" up to the boy sitting on the crescent of the moon, fishing. This is followed by the Dreamworks SKG credit. This sequence is then followed by Universal credit. This is then followed by the first scene of the movie.

    This entire sequence upto the Universal credit on the original DVD is blue and is brown on the ripped VOB files as well as on the VCD I created. I don't believe the rest of the movie has any such color changes.

    Maybe I just don't know what the heck's going on but to my untutored eye the same scene is different between the DVD and the rip.

    Anyway, we've probably spent more time on this than it's worth.

    regards,

    human
     
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    My speculation is that this may be the studio's way of differentiating a genuine DVD from a copied one.

    For what it's worth.
     
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    I am not aware of such copy pretection and besides, there are plenty of (obvious) ways of checking the DVD is fake. Firstly, if it costs $2, or if it is spelt wrong, or in Chinese (always a good indication, sorry China!), or just looks kind of cheap. Besides, if they could alter the colour of a logo, why not alter the disc so it looks purple, or something??!!

    Anyway, good luck

    Paul.
     
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    Did you ever find out why your movie had brown Dreamworks logo?

    Paul.
     
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    No, I never did and since it was only the opening studio title sequence I didn't really bother. The rest of the movie is okay. I ripped it 3 times using 2 different rippers to see what was causing the color change but couldn't get rid of it.

    I still wonder if this is a subtle copy protection, particularly against bulk bootleggers.

    human
     
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    Yes, it could be, although quite why I would not know. I watched Gladiator the other day. English version does have the brown screen. Wonder why it was different in US.

    Anyway, happy ripping :)

    Paul.
     
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    Yeah, thanks, happy ripping you too.

    One of these days I'll try and get a screen capture from the title screen and see if it confirms what I see.

    On another note, I recently tried converting "I am Sam" using TMPGEnc 2.58.44.152 and the resultant mpg file for VCD is awful. Best I can describe is like it only used 256 colors to do the encoding so the entire picture (forground and background) looks like a cheap digital image, if you know what I mean. Any idea on what could be going on? I tried playing with some of the settings but to no avail.

    cheers,

    human
     

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