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Have a few questions about Memorex.

Discussion in 'DVD±R media' started by maxlifan, Mar 28, 2007.

  1. maxlifan

    maxlifan Member

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    Hi everyone I'm new here. Yesterday I went to walmart and the only DVD kind they had was memorex so i read the label. It had a good 1 year warrenty so I thought it was good. I bought a 30 pack but now I'm starting to worry. Today I found many posts that were in 2005 about memorex being crap. I wanted to ask everyone here what they think. I also saw some new posts in 2006 which say that Memorex switched good 2005 crap dyes to a new better RITEK dye. Seeing how I have no idea what that is I need help from the experts here at AD. Thanks
     
  2. 300bowler

    300bowler Regular member

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    best way to burn memorex is throw them in a FIRE,
    since the media is Soooooo incompatible with almost all the burners[​IMG]

    99.9% of AD members are going to say get better media
    .1% are gunna say theres nothing wrong with them
     
  3. maxlifan

    maxlifan Member

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    So I shouldn't have bought them.... ? Dam.... i opened the case too... so now i can't return... man. Can anyone explain to me if the new dye is better or it's just for show.
     
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    plutonash Regular member

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    Seriously dont use Memosux if u see them again run. They are terrible use Verbatims if you can or Taiyo Yudens.
     
  5. saugmon

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    Not all memorex suck. I've been seeing a lot of ricohs in the +16x speed. I just burned 30 out of a 50 pk of memorex ricohs and they fare as well as my verbs,tys,hitachi,and riteks.

    Download this free program to find out the MID code of them and post back that code:

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvd_identifier.cfm

    The only beef I have with memorex is the price.

    If you got them at walmart,then you paid way too much for them.You can get memorex ricohs for 30 cents each,or you can get Office Depot ricohs for 20 cents each. Walmart's a good place to price match if any of the following stores have a sale on them:

    Office max,office depot,staple's,and bestbuy have some great sales on decent and quality media. If you pay more than 30 cents each,you got screwed. Lots of verbatim sales for around 25-30 cents each.
     
  6. maxlifan

    maxlifan Member

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    The identifier says

    DVD-R
    Ritek Corps
    RITEKF1
    2298496 sectors = 4.71 GB

    I belive i got the new types of discs which us Riket dye. Many people say the new types are just as good as Vie and stuff. I just hope their right.
     
  7. janrocks

    janrocks Guest

    Ritek eh?? They should be OK.
    I have hundreds on that ID and they are fine.
     
  8. cincyrob

    cincyrob Active member

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    seeing we all know who that .1% is (JoeRyan)...lol im sure he could put a light onto the situation about the disc not being compatiable with all of our drives and only work on the $3000 systems that we cant get our little hands on...

    you might get lucky if you call it that and get the MCC03RG20 coded memosux's which are a cheap version of verbatim.
     
  9. maxlifan

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    But people say that the memorex switched to RETAK dye or something and alot of people say Retak is good, and also the other members from different sites said that if i got the new improved Retak dye ones, they should work fine. What is the difference between the old so called crappy dye Msomething forgot the name and the new BETTER retak dye. Cause I still have my old memorex discs which are MRC or something and the new ones i have now are Retak. Can someone explain the difference between the 2 dyes?
     
  10. maxlifan

    maxlifan Member

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    Sorry about the repost but i don't know how to edit my last post. I spelled Ritak/Ritek (forgot spelling as i suck at english) as Retak. So please forgive my grammer mistake. Also Who is this Jhoe person?
     
  11. cincyrob

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    no worries your english is fine. we understood you thats all that matters.. as far as the dye goes i honestly couldnt answer that, cause i dont really know.

    JoeRyan is a very smart man, but his way of thinking isnt the same as allmost all the members here at AD. he tends to defend memorex and CMC Mag, media. for its the drives that are not compatible with the media, is why memorex and othe CMC media isnt that good.

    maybe give him a PM and i know he could tell you the difference between the dyes.

    like i said he is a very intelligent man and im sure he knows the ins and outs of the different Dyes.
     
  12. 300bowler

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    ok, i apologize and let me clarify my first post

    the best way to burn memorex(MID=CMC Mag) is throw them in a fire

    when u buy Memorex its a crapshoot, cuz u dont know who manufactured them, and thats why i would not recommend them.

    and joe would know about the dye thing u r asking

     
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  13. JoeRyan

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    The statement that 99.9% of the AD Forum members say to get better media is mathematically inaccurate. The number is high, but not as high as that. People who state that they like Memorex/HP/TDK/Philips or other discs manufactured by CMC Magnetics (with the exception of the Verbatim brand made by CMC) get chased off this forum and move to other forums. If you want different opinions, simply go to other web sites where fewer anti-CMC members congregate. That alone should cause you to think twice about comments anywhere condemning one brand or another. The briefer the posts and the more frequent the excremental expletives, the less useful the information.

    People dislike Memorex because the company gets discs from CMC, Ritek (Ricoh), Prodisc, and sometimes MBI. They hate the inconsistency of the brand because not all of these discs are as compatible with drives as Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden. However, the brand has had such a high share of the optical disc business for the last six or seven years that no single factory can supply the demand for its discs. If the discs were crap, the market shares would have declined over the last six years or so. Memorex has to purchase from multiple suppliers to maintain its leading market share in North America and elsewhere. It is not as popular in Europe or Asia.

    Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden make excellent media. Their discs are also the most widely compatible for two reasons: 1) they are Japanese--and the Japanese drive brands support their own and will do anything to undermine non-Japanese suppliers. Sony's organization of Opti-Arc, for example, was to pull NEC away from HD DVD support and force Lite-on to concentrate on Blu-ray support while reducing its DVD support for Taiwanese brands. 2) Taiyo Yuden holds the chief patents on optical recording and MCC/MKM/Verbatim hold the patents on DL media, so they are always "reference" media in new drive firmware. The one area where this did not work in favor of Taiyo Yuden was in DVD+R 16X where delays in shipping product allowed TY media to work poorly in 16X drives. This is an "apparent slip in TY quality" that is actually a lack of compatibility support. The curse of CMC finally hit TY, and some people have actually believed that TY quality has deteriorated (while others blamed poor results on counterfeit production). CMC produces more optical media than any other factory, but they have not had the political support that Ritek gets because Ritek has gone as far as getting their technical head on the board of the DVD Forum. That's what it takes in the political intrigue behind the scenes.

    CMC also appears too willing to sell of factory seconds to no-name brands, forgetting that a quick MID identification reveals the source of the discs. That hurts their reputation. (The only two factories I knew that destroyed factory seconds were Kodak and Mitsui--both out of the business today because of excessive costs.) CMC was a bit sloppy in its production in late 2005/early 2006 when expanding production brought in a lot of new workers who were not well trained. They lost some business from their biggest customers because of lots rejected in quality control, and most of that business ended up at Ritek and Prodisc. CMC clamped down in quality by mid-2006, and since then their production as been significantly improved. That does not resolve the problem of drive incompatibility, but it does mean better product for those whose drives do work with CMC MID codes. In my own recent tests on 20X drives (forget 20X--a waste of discs for a "savings" of 17 seconds, max) CMC media showed slightly better results than Taiyo Yuden at the extreme thresholds. The differences were insignificant, but it does show some results of the concentrated effort at improvement. (Both failed at 20X but had excellent results at 8X, 16X, and even 18X. The 20X drives look good at all speeds BELOW 20X!)

    As for dyes, there are three DVD types: azo-cyanine, cyanine, and Oxonol. There are many different suppliers of the dyes, except for Onxonol made by Fujifilm. MCC/MKM makes the azo-cyanine dye used by CMC and other factories for Verbatim production as well as other azo-cyanine and cyanine dyes for other production. Ciba Geigi is another major dye manufacturer. The dye has to match the stamper because the stamper geometry and dye are tuned to produce the lowest jitter with little loss in reflectivity at the power levels used by today's laser diodes. The manufacturer adjusts the viscosity and thickness of the dye to work best with the substrates from a particular stamper on a particular production line until the results on test equipment look promising. The the manufacturer has to sample all the drive manufacturers to get them to include his discs in their first firmware release of a new drive. Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden are automatically included, and Maxell/Japan often is, too. In Sony/Optiarc drives Sony is included. CMC, MBI, Prodisc, and Ritek pull every string they can to get included, but politics sometimes keeps them out of the first one or two firmware revisions, particulary with Optiarc-based drives. CMC is getting better via TDK because TDK's Durabis hard coat is essential for Blu-ray production, and drive manufacturers are paying a little more attention to TDK/CMC. (The DVD Forum, on the other hand, supports HD DVD. Confused yet? I swear this business makes the conflicts in the Middle East seem tame by comparison.)

    To sum up: 1) If CMC works with your drive, you should have no worries about quality these days. 2) Your Memorex/Ritek discs should also produce very good quality IF your drive is compatible with them. 3) Anyone fearful of incompatibility problems should have nothing to fear with Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden 8X discs. (TY DVD+R 16X is still playing catchup with firmware revisions.) 4) The MID code identifies the stamper used in production--not the quality. Off-grade MCC codes can be just as bad as off-grade CMC codes; they are just harder to find. You can bet that no off-grade material gets labeled "Verbatim," and the same is true for Fuji,HP, Memorex, Maxell, TDK, Ricoh, and Philips. It is the off-brands--and sometimes store brand--that get the questionable material because they do not have facilities to test incoming production, and sometimes they don't even care.
     
  14. LABOY

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    JoeRyan says:


    What then is the CMC media code will give better results than TY Yuden T002 or Verb MCC04, so I might give them a try???
     
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  15. BobbyBlu

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    I'm speechless by Joe Ryan post....lol dam he cover everything....This would be a nice time for Alkhol to show up.
     
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  16. JoeRyan

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    The CMC discs were CMC MAG.AM3, DVD+R 16X. They were able to be recorded at 20X but failed with PIE errors in the 600-700 range. The Taiyo Yuden DVD+R and DVD-R 16X could both be recorded at 20X, but their PIE errors were in the 800-900 range. Failing is failing; neither result is acceptable. But at 18X and 16X both produced excellent results. CATs verified the numbers.

    Do not misread the data. It does not mean that CMC is better than TY! It only means that on this Lite-on 20A1H drive that both produced failed recordings (1 format for CMC; both formats for TY) at 20X--the only discs capable of even attempting 20X speeds. At 18X and at 16X, these discs as well as Verbatim had excellent results. These tests were drive tests, not tests on media; but the media were analyzed to see how good or poor the results were on the drive. The conclusion was that the 20X drives are good for speeds below 20X but not 20X at this point.
     
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    i can tell u the reason why for this, the general public thinks that theres no difference in blank dvd media from one brand to the other, and so they buy the cheapest ones, which are normally memorex. so the go home and burn away, some with problems some with no problems, the ones with problems think there is something wrong with their PC and not the disks, but then they post here and people say a firmware

    Update MAY help, they do the firmware update and [​IMG]it helps,

    this time the firmware helped, so we dont hear from them for 6 months to a year, then all of the sudden they post why is my dvd skiping,freezing,pixelating, not even playing, then we say use Taiyo Yuden or Verbatims.

    But its ur choice of what u want to go by
    the experience side of it(almost all of AD members go by) or the technical side
     
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  18. maxlifan

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    Wow JoeRyan you are gifted or just SUPER smart. Thanks for clearing everything up for me. I feel better about my discs now also my drive works with the CMR and Ritek discs just fine. Good thing I did get Ritek tho cause I am still a little bit worried about the CMR or what ever they are called because of the bad "comments" about them. But thanks again for clearing things up for me.
     
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    sorry i still don't know how to edit. What i meant by CMR was CMC since i suck in english so much, i can't really spell well. lol just wanted to clear that up
     
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    maxlifan,

    to edit, u click the pencil and paper icon at the top right of ur post(next to link to this message)
     
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