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"I was just wondering.... Who's the best?"

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  1. Daggar

    Daggar Member

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    Opinion Pole:

    Which vendor makes the best CDRW for backing up your protected CDs?
     
  2. Racemann

    Racemann Regular member

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    Let's see, I have a TDK 24/10/40B [made by LiteON] and a LiteON 52/24/52 that hasn't given me any problems.

    I haven't been able to try out some games with SafeDisc2 protection yet but I believe that it's not a problem.
     
  3. Shoey

    Shoey Guest

    There's really NO best cdrw for backing up cd protection because Macrovision (Safedisc) and Sony (SecuROM) are always updating their protections. Now there are the "most" preferred burners that can successfully make back ups of Safedisc& SecuROM and they are (not in any specific order).

    KNOWN SAFEDISC 2 KILLERS

    "ARTEC CDRW241040+
    ASUS CRW-1610A
    ASUS CRW-3210A
    ASUS CRW-4012A
    ASUS CRW-4816A
    ASUS CRW-5224A
    BTC BCE-3212IM
    BTC BCE 4012IM
    BTC CDRW IDE 4816
    BTC BCE-4824IM
    BTC CDWRITER IDE 4824
    BTC CDWRITER IDE 5224
    BTC BCE-5224IM
    CYBERDRIVE CW099D 52x24x52
    LG GCE-8160B
    LG GCE-8320B
    LG-GCE-8400B
    LITEON LTR-12102B
    LITEON LTR-16102B
    LITEON LTR-24102B
    LITEON LTR-24103S
    LITEON LTR-32123S
    LITEON LTR-40125S
    LITEON LTR-48125W
    LITEON LTR-52246S
    LITEON LXR-40122
    MEMOREX - six models
    Mitsumi CR-485CTE
    POLAROID BurnMax 40
    POLAROID BurnMax 48
    POLAROID BurnMax 52
    Sony CRX175A1
    Sony CRX185E1
    Sony CRX185E3
    Sony CRX195E1
    Sony CRX220E2
    TEAC CD-W548E
    TOSHIBA SD-R1202 DVD Combo Drive
    TOSHIBA SD-R1312
    TOSHIBA SD-R2312
    TOSHIBA SD-R2412
    TOSHIBA SD-R5002
    TRAXDATA CDRW-2440MB
    TRAXDATA CDRW-2440SD
    TRAXDATA CDRW-4824E
    TRAXDATA CDRW-5224E
    WAITEC FRISBY11

    SecuROM 4x killers:
    cdrw's that can read/write RAO-DAO+96/RAO-DAO+16 sub-q channel audio/data and can write "regular bit patterns correctly" (EFM encoding) BUT there cdrw's that can write "regular bit patterns almost correctly" can defeat the latest SecuROM 4.8.x. If you wan't a stable cdrw that can backup both Safedisc& SecuROM, you wan't a cdrw that can read/write rao-dao+96 (best write method) and "writes regular bit patterns correctly". This is referred to by CloneCD (Elaboryte Bytes) as "2-sheep burners" Look at the link I'm providing at look closely at EFM Encoding and best data read mode. Any writer that has "2-sheep" beside the model are the best for backing up Safedisc& SecuROM. The majority of these writers can produce working backups of the latest SecuROm 4.8.x, but NO guarentee's.

    http://elby.ch/english/products/clone_cd/writers/a.html

    My Polaroid BurnMAX48 BEAT Safedisc 2.8.x (The Sims Unleashed)& SecuROM 4.8.x (Unreal Tournament 2003)Of the many forums I visit, the post "preferred" writers for these cd protections are LiteON& Asus. I purchased my Polaroid BurnMAX48 at office Max for 49 buckaroos and this drive is a BTC and NOT a rebagged Litey. The Memorex MAX drives ARE rebagged litey's and you can buy them much cheaper than buying a Litey (for sure).Another helpful hint here is to have a DVD/CD-Rom that can bypass ATIP to play backups in that drive. Backups of Safedisc 2.5.x (Command& Conquer Renegade) won't play on all DVD/CD-Roms UNLESS your DVD/CD-Rom can get around ATIP. Most popular DVD-Roms to bypass ATIP:

    LiteON LTD 163/165/166
    Toshiba SD-M1402

    Same scenerio applies to SecuROM 4.8.s as many roms can't bypass the "twin sector" cd protection schems in SecuROM 4.8.x(backups). Known drives to bypass this protection scheme:

    LiteON LTD 163/165/166
    So rush to your local pc store and grab 1 of these 3 DVD-Roms (hehe). Also, these Litey DVD-Roms are superior for dae extraction (fast)
    http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=daeresults.php3


    Shoey

     
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  4. Racemann

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    I almost forgot about that CloneCD burner list.

    My LiteON LTD163D 16x DVD has super fast and accurate DAE just like Shoey says.
     
  5. Shoey

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    raceman,
    Yes it is my friend, but NOT like Shoey says, lol. Whomever tested all those drives says so. I'm also glad to report the Lite-On LTR-52246S (52/24/52) hardware review shows this drive defeats Safedisc 2.8.x, SecuROM 4.8.x
    Key2Audio (all versions), Cactus Data Shield 200 but failed on Cactus Data Shield 100, and Doc. Lock (all versions). Maybe a firmware update will allow this drive to eventually defeat CDS 100. So, "pound 4 pound" one of the best, if not the best "combo's" for backing up cd/audio protection& for audio recording
    LiteON LTD 163

    LiteON LTR 52246S review: http://www.cdfreaks.com/document.php3?Doc=99

    Another great featur about LiteON burners is they can be "over clocked" If you own a Litey 48x model, you can actually use a Litey 52x firmware upgrade, and "presto", you now can burn at 52x.

    Shoey

     

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