Right everyone, I would REALLY appreciate some feedback on this subject because it's being absolutely driving me insane for a while now. PLEASE have a read I've had my LiteOn 812S DVD Writer for some time and when I figured out how to decrypt, encode and burn DVDs they worked fine on more than one of my DVD standalone players. I then formatted my computer due to the purchase of new hardware (major upgrade) and ran into a whole heap of problems. The original method I used was to decrypt using DVD Decrypter, then encode and filter out with DVD shrink (foreign languages etc) and reducing it from about 7gb to the standard 4.5gb DVD size. I'd then burn it and it would work fine. I also used DVD X Copy for better compatibility and it that was using the simple process where only the movie was copied, no menu's or anything. I used the new Datawrite V3 Red Discs which were very cheap, but very compatible, and I had no problems. After the format, burning with DVD shrink resulted in the movie freezing up towards the end, and after forum searching other people ran into that problem too with no specific way of fixing it. So after being given some advice I installed Intervideo DVD Copy which still didn't work and neither would DVD X Copy. Nero had always had strange compatibilty issues with my player(s) too. Also, somehow it'd knocked itself out of DMA mode and into PIO which takes up all your system resources and is generally, nasty! I uninstalled the drivers for my Writer and rebooted Windows XP and it did it's necessary crap and hey presto everyone was set normal for the drive, DMA and all that. So I tried writing again and lord behold it starts working. Decrypting with DVD Decrypter, Encoding with DVD Shrink and burning with Intervideo DVD Copy results in perfect playback of DVD movies, high quality etc. HOWEVER Burning a DVD without an error is pretty much a 50/50 deal where 50% of the time I get a swirly burn looking mark around the DVD which obviously, ruins it and sometimes the disc is burnt perfectly without anything wrong with it and plays fine in all 3 of my standalone DVD players. So far, I've only noticed this sort of error when burning movies. Data discs seem to be fine at the moment... For the record, I bought a faulty pack of Datawrite V3 Red Discs resulting in the problem for a lot of lost DVD movie and Data discs. So recently I have been trying recommended discs and across 2 types I have the same burn errors where marks can clearly be seen on discs. On the third type of media, it just won't play in my DVD player, but that's probs the type of disc. Here is a picture of the swirly burn mark on the Datawrite 4x Red Discs I was told that at some point they changed the way that they made this disc which resulted in the quality being a lot worse. I'd also lost some valuable data on discs too with "cycle redundancy checks" being reported So I moved onto what I was told was a whole new disc and was getting raves. It was the Datawrite Yellow 4x with Ritek Dye. That would not play in my DVD player at all but seems to burn Data fine. I was then highly recommended the Datawrite Grey 8x discs ...and with the Red discs, they have a 50% chance success rate but instead of a swirly thing round the centre, they have marks around the edges of the disc. *sigh, is this a deteriated drive or what guys? I get perfect DVDs sometimes but half the time, I don't... what could it be? Please, have a read through and try and reply with some feedback, I'd really appreciate it, hope I didn't leave anything out.